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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Fantasy has terrible habit of making the past grander, more epic, nicer, cleaner, just better, than whatever point the story is happening in.
Sure the world might get better from what it is now, but the past, the past is always the best.

Tolkien did not start that, but he is pretty obvious example. And probably did lot to encourage later writers.
 
Ericwinter said:
I've never actually read the Silmarillion, but that does, in fact, sound like bullshit. How did it go from that, to pretty mind control/invisibility ring with some army buffs if you know how to use it right? Like, the disparity is ridiculous.
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In part because the Ring makes the wielder greater. It multiplies on the base that was already there.
A Noldor sorceress or a Maiar would become something terrifying.
A hobbit becomes even more of a great hobbit.

Also.
Because the world is lessened from what it used to be.
And as the world fades, the heights that magic is capable of are correspondingly lower.

When they said that LOTR is post-apocalyptic, they weren't joking.

Arda has undergone at least three apocalypses: the first, when the Valar rode to imprison Melkor the first time, and so shattered the Earth in the process that they swore not to do it again. The second, when Earendil called on them to save Middle Earth, and their underlings literally sank Beleriand into the sea in the process of destroying Melkor's armies.

The third, when Numenor was sunk under the waves.
 
Valmond said:
Fantasy has terrible habit of making the past grander, more epic, nicer, cleaner, just better, than whatever point the story is happening in.
Sure the world might get better from what it is now, but the past, the past is always the best.

Tolkien did not start that, but he is pretty obvious example. And probably did lot to encourage later writers.
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SCO said:
tfw you realize the 'gift of men' may be a soul recycling mechanism.
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uju32 said:
In part because the Ring makes the wielder greater. It multiplies on the base that was already there.
A Noldor sorceress or a Maiar would become something terrifying.
A hobbit becomes even more of a great hobbit.

Also.
Because the world is lessened from what it used to be.
And as the world fades, the heights that magic is capable of are correspondingly lower.

When they said that LOTR is post-apocalyptic, they weren't joking.

Arda has undergone at least three apocalypses: the first, when the Valar rode to imprison Melkor the first time, and so shattered the Earth in the process that they swore not to do it again. The second, when Earendil called on them to save Middle Earth, and their underlings literally sank Beleriand into the sea in the process of destroying Melkor's armies.

The third, when Numenor was sunk under the waves.
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Thanks for the input, but we're getting back on topic now. Like, for example, talking to the Great Eagles. We still don't have an epic mount for Mathilde yet...
 
Qq- when dwarves build things like the aquaduct, it's pretty much the classic Roman thing we all think of, right? Also, fortifications: looking at the image for Und-Uzgar and scaling up is classic dwarf stylistically?
 
Sinsystems said:
Guys remember to keep the discussion at least related to the quest.
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Okay.
Oddly appropriate music about skaven


Lyrics:
Lyrics of Rats by Ghost said:
In times of turmoil
In times like these
Beliefs contagious
Spreading disease
This wretched mischief is now coursing through your souls
Never to let go
Never to let go

Them rats! (Rats–rats–rats)

Into your sanctum
You let them in
Now all your loved ones
And all your kin
Will suffer punishments beneath the wrath of God
Never to forgive
Never to forgive

Them rats! (Rats–rats–rats)
Aaah whoah
Rats! (rats–rats–rats)
Aaah whoah
Rats! (rats–rats–rats)
Aaah whoah
Rats! (rats–rats–rats)
Aaah whoah

This devastation left your cities to be burnt
Never to return
Never to return!

Them filthy rodents are still coming for your souls
Never to let go
Never to let go!

Them rats! (Rats–rats–rats)
Aaah whoah
Rats! (rats–rats–rats)
Aaah whoah
Rats! (rats–rats–rats)
Aaah whoah
Rats! (rats–rats–rats)
Aaah whoah

They're still coming after you
(Aaah whoah)
And there's nothing you can do
(Aaah whoah)
They're still coming after you
(Aaah whoah)
And there's nothing you can do
(Aaah whoah)
Rats!
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SCO said:
tfw you realize the 'gift of men' may be a soul recycling mechanism.
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Not exactly the Elves are bound to Arda even there afterlife is a part of the world if incredibly hard to get to and once they go there they can't leave. The souls of men though pass beyond the bounds of the world with only a stop over before they can explore the rest of creation and beyond. The elves will only be able to do so after the end when they gather with all others for the next song to creat a world.
 
I don't think negotiations with Giant Eagles would work out well. Their connection to the Elves is old and very deep, I just can't see them work with Dwarfs. There are good chances they all descend from birds that fought against the Dwarfs during the War of Vengeance, so they might even hold a grudge.

Also we don't know where they are.
 
soul ice said:
Not exactly the Elves are bound to Arda even there afterlife is a part of the world if incredibly hard to get to and once they go there they can't leave. The souls of men though pass beyond the bounds of the world with only a stop over before they can explore the rest of creation and beyond. The elves will only be able to do so after the end when they gather with all others for the next song to creat a world.
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That was what i was implying, ie : it's a Isekai prequel, though i understand how it could be taken as repetition instead.

last post on lotr from me here, please.
 
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soul ice said:
Not exactly the Elves are bound to Arda even there afterlife is a part of the world if incredibly hard to get to and once they go there they can't leave. The souls of men though pass beyond the bounds of the world with only a stop over before they can explore the rest of creation and beyond. The elves will only be able to do so after the end when they gather with all others for the next song to creat a world.
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SCO said:
That was what i was implying, ie : it's a Isekai prequel.
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For the third time, fourth if you count another person's warning, on-topic. If the Giant birds didn't catch your fancy, how about future plans to use our shiny new dictionaries--once we get them actually written--for raiding lots of major Skaven clans so we can start funneling more super libraries at the Grey Colleges. Hell, a trip up to Hellpit for Moulder could give us a chance to see if the nothern dwarves are still around at all. It will probably have to wait for a while, but planning possible trips never hurt anybody.
 
Chronic said:
I don't think negotiations with Giant Eagles would work out well. Their connection to the Elves is old and very deep, I just can't see them work with Dwarfs. There are good chances they all descend from birds that fought against the Dwarfs during the War of Vengeance, so they might even hold a grudge.

Also we don't know where they are.
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I mean, the same could be said about the dragon. It's worth a look if we ever find the time.
 
Nahden said:
Silmarillion -> LotR -> Warhammer -> This quest

Warhammer borrows heavily from Tolkien's work, and this quest is set in the Warhammer universe.

Boom, related.
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Don't be a dick. Semantics and pedantry do nothing to elevate the discussion. If a topic is more than two layers removed from the topic (so anything beyond Warhammer, slightly dipping into the most relevant parts of LotR) then when someone asks you to drop it, just drop it.
 
Swordomatic said:
Don't be a dick. Semantics and pedantry do nothing to elevate the discussion. If a topic is more than two layers removed from the topic (so anything beyond Warhammer, slightly dipping into the most relevant parts of LotR) then when someone asks you to drop it, just drop it.
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My apologies. It does seem like I unnecessarily said something useless. My only defense is that it's way too late, and I'm way too tired to think my posts through.
 
So as a side affect of how the Eye works, we captured about 40 Pump Wagons in 'mint' condition, which is probably rarish. Could we donate these to a museum? I mean, this is a perfect chance for someone to study how pump wagons work and what countermeasures might work.
 
Well, the Pump Wagons will break down without the Waagh right? I think that was the inly reason these things exist in the first place.
 
Abhorsen said:
I guess pre-fight condition. But regardless, I want to send it to a museum. It would be a flex from Mathilde too. Basically an exhibit in the Altdorf University showing how awesome Mathilde, and by extension the Colleges, are.
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I would agree sending it to a museum. I don't think there is anything interesting that could be learned but it might be nice for people to realize how large, and thus how dangerous, some of the orcs can get.
 
Pretty sure if we sent it to a museum the response would be more along the lines of "Why are they dumping this junk on us" than anything like being impressed. It's not exactly a novel find.
 
Thomasfoolery said:
Pretty sure if we sent it to a museum the response would be more along the lines of "Why are they dumping this junk on us" than anything like being impressed. It's not exactly a novel find.
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Finding one that is not a burning wreck is pretty novel though. I don't think pump wagons are known for surviving battles they fall in.
 
Granted, the Snotlings probably have Waagh assistance in being able to maintain one at all, given that they're supposed to be about as bright as an enthusiastic puppy. Skill assist like how all orcs know how to fight without training?
 
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