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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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SITB said:
The problem is that active casting raises the chance that one of the parties will notice Mathilde (Mostly the sorcerer, though the priest(?) could also possibly see the winds in a limited way).

The Eshin sorcerer is already looking like they plot a betrayal, why should Mathilde reveal herself prematurely?
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Mostly because I want the Sorcerer to lose the fight so we don't have to destroy evidence of having killed him with magic. Probably not worth the slight utility, under examination. Move to snatch the document in the confusion might be worth it, though.
 
Are there hypotheses about why the Council would intervene at this stage, and why the Sorcerer would want to silence their agent?

I'm guessing that the GHR has spoken to shut down the civil war, and the Sorcerer thinks they have a good thing going.
 
[X] Both must die.
- [X] Let the Sorcerer's attack play out, then finish off whoever survives.
 
aimlessPolymath said:
Are there hypotheses about why the Council would intervene at this stage, and why the Sorcerer would want to silence their agent?

I'm guessing that the GHR has spoken to shut down the civil war, and the Sorcerer thinks they have a good thing going.
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That's the obvious answer, but the thing is that the Sorcerer gave the Agent a document, not the other way around. You'd expect the agent to be providing new orders, if that were the case.

My extremely tentative guess is that the Sorcerer gave the Agent a writeup of "what the criminy crikey exactly has been going on in K8P of late", but, since he knows how much of a big deal the news will be, is planning on murdering him, blaming it on Mors, the dragon, or us, and then presenting his own (Shattering, Tactically Groundbreaking) report to the Council to get all the tasty Council Favour for himself.
 
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aimlessPolymath said:
Are there hypotheses about why the Council would intervene at this stage, and why the Sorcerer would want to silence their agent?

I'm guessing that the GHR has spoken to shut down the civil war, and the Sorcerer thinks they have a good thing going.
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Hard to say. It's possible that the two '???'s on betraying indicate 'Betraying Council Attaché (for self)' and 'Betraying Council Attaché (for Clan Eshin)', so this could be being done without sanction from the rest of the Clan.
 
Chimeraguard said:
Hard to say. It's possible that the two '???'s on betraying indicate 'Betraying Council Attaché (for self)' and 'Betraying Council Attaché (for Clan Eshin)', so this could be being done without sanction from the rest of the Clan.
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And this would be coherent with why it was hidden. I mean, we could metagame much more if we knew that allowing this to continue would worsen the Skaven Civil war.
 
[X] Both must die.
- [X] Let the Sorcerer's attack play out, then finish off whoever survives.
 
The main question I have is: why is that the Sorcerer is talking and showing information to someone he will kill?

I mean, the best way to murder someone and get away with it is if they don't know thatyou are even there to begin with. Unless he has prepared a conoluted ruse to make him drop his guard or something. But, then again, the best way to do so is to not oppenly announce yourself and talk to his face before commiting murder.
 
So here's a question I would like an answer to from people who know the RPG or the TT: what exactly is the Agent, tactically speaking? Like, we know he has a bit of the Horned Rat in him, so he's a divine spellcaster, I assume. But it's Grey Seers who have the Lore of the Warp, right? Not just any priest of the Horned Rat? So what sorts of nonsense can we expect from that guy? Is there a specific Lore of the HR somewhere?
Tomcost said:
The main question I have is: why is that the Sorcerer is talking and showing information to someone he will kill?

I mean, the best way to murder someone and get away with it is if they don't know thatyou are even there to begin with. Unless he has prepared a conoluted ruse to make him drop his guard or something. But, then again, the best way to do so is to not oppenly announce yourself and talk to his face before commiting murder.
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I assume that he had a prearranged meeting with the Agent and otherwise didn't know where the Agent would be; if you know exactly where someone is going to be at a specific time and can show up there without it being suspicious, half the work of assassination is done for you.
 
picklepikkl said:
So here's a question I would like an answer to from people who know the RPG or the TT: what exactly is the Agent, tactically speaking? Like, we know he has a bit of the Horned Rat in him, so he's a divine spellcaster, I assume. But it's Grey Seers who have the Lore of the Warp, right? Not just any priest of the Horned Rat? So what sorts of nonsense can we expect from that guy? Is there a specific Lore of the HR somewhere?

I assume that he had a prearranged meeting with the Agent and otherwise didn't know where the Agent would be; if you know exactly where someone is going to be at a specific time and can show up there without it being suspicious, half the work of assassination is done for you.
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He could just be one of those rats they keep an eye on as a possible replacement for when a Grey Seer dies?
 
picklepikkl said:
So here's a question I would like an answer to from people who know the RPG or the TT: what exactly is the Agent, tactically speaking? Like, we know he has a bit of the Horned Rat in him, so he's a divine spellcaster, I assume. But it's Grey Seers who have the Lore of the Warp, right? Not just any priest of the Horned Rat? So what sorts of nonsense can we expect from that guy? Is there a specific Lore of the HR somewhere?

I assume that he had a prearranged meeting with the Agent and otherwise didn't know where the Agent would be; if you know exactly where someone is going to be at a specific time and can show up there without it being suspicious, half the work of assassination is done for you.
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Yet it is easier to shank somebody unaware of your presence. He could have come here while invisible, and sneak-stabbed him in the back-behind.

DragonParadox said:
He might just be doing it for the drama, showing off his evil plan before enacting it. I would be in line with Skaven megalomania, the Under-empire is basically a realm of comic book villains.
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I don't like to underestimate enemies, it is a poor habit to have... but at the same time you might be right.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
He could just be one of those rats they keep an eye on as a possible replacement for when a Grey Seer dies?
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Aren't Apprentice Grey Seers, well... grey?

...I guess we aren't seeing with our eyes, so we don't actually know what color this guy's fur is. So yeah, OK, I'm going with that as the most plausible hypothesis.
Tomcost said:
Yet it is easier to shank somebody unaware of your presence. He could have come here while invisible, and sneak-stabbed him in the back-behind.
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I see your point, but if I were making a secret rendezvous in an active war zone, I would be a lot more nervous before the guy I was supposed to be meeting showed up than I would be after he showed up on time and gave me the thing I was expecting. "Everything going according to plan" is a hell of a guard-dropper.
 
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chocolote12 said:
'Strong, but punchy instead of magic' is Guy's thing, though. All wizards have high martial, but Johann's is punch focused, just like ninja are good in melee, but use knives instead of just punching people.
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iirc when gai gets really serious he breaks out nunchaku
 
holy crap this vote isn't even close.

the top two votes are different spellings of the same vote.

Tomcost said:
The main question I have is: why is that the Sorcerer is talking and showing information to someone he will kill?

I mean, the best way to murder someone and get away with it is if they don't know thatyou are even there to begin with. Unless he has prepared a conoluted ruse to make him drop his guard or something. But, then again, the best way to do so is to not oppenly announce yourself and talk to his face before commiting murder.
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it is distracting information?

A Skaven is usually on full guard. so the Sorcerer might be waiting for a juicy bit that he knows is in there that will surprise the agent and then hit him as he is distracted.

he also might be leaving himself an out in case something happens or he loses his nerve. if he did his job then he can just walk away from this. while if we didn't there is no going back.
 
picklepikkl said:
I see your point, but if I were making a secret rendezvous in an active war zone, I would be a lot more nervous before the guy I was supposed to be meeting showed up than I would be after he showed up on time and gave me the thing I was expecting. "Everything going according to plan" is a hell of a guard-dropper.
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It's also possible that whatever is in the document requires action on the part of the agent that will render him more vulnerable - sending one of his bodyguards off with a message, for example.

Or maybe the Sorcerer wants some item of the agent's that he wouldn't be able to dig out of wherever the agent's been hiding, so he needed confirmation the agent was carrying it right now.
 
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Maybe the agent and the sorcerer already hate each other. The agent has to pick up the report anyway but is aware that the sorcerer might try something. Logically the sorcerer wouldn't bother with getting the report out in that case so by doing so it is signalling that today is again not the day it finally strikes, thus causing the agent's guard to lower fractionally...
 
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