Less AP but it couldn't even be begun until you had a full understanding of Spoken Queekish.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Less AP but it couldn't even be begun until you had a full understanding of Spoken Queekish.
chocolote12
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Winds change capability based on nature; Azyr being easy to fly with, for example.
Battle Magic is notable because it involves the Winds changing temperament. It could be that you need Battle Magic Ulgu to do Battle Magic spells for the same reason that you need Aqshy to set fires; part of the change is that it's in its new nature to do more dramatic things, possibly, as an extension of the change between working within the limits of the world and truly imposing your will upon it.
That's adaptation; We could field our own doom wheels perfectly fine, yes yes.
You know I know what we've done too, right? Deeds are given for specific things, not for being generally useful. We might get accolades, but arguments for this specific currency must be much better founded; hence my uncertainty.
Books combine all papers on the topic for (given our one example) two AP; the issue is that we don't have the spoken guide papers yet, so it's more a matter of publishing next turn or not.
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I would rather wait...
BungieONI
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Me personally I don't see much reason too.
We'd actually get more favor for a Book and then Papers to follow than if we made One Big Book, because Books slightly reduce the Favor gain from topics in return for saving actions.
There's also the strategic considerations of such dictionaries that outweigh for me, delaying them to have spoken Queekish, which most people who could use the dictionaries cannot learn or understand.
For infosec, I'd think the Big Book of Queekish would be better, along with simultaneous Khazalid/Reikspiel publication. The skaven likely wouldn't have a clue until bam, the Empire and the Karaz Ankor suddenly know the entirety of their language. Also less AP expenditure for us.
The question is, is it worth the delay?
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The question is, is it worth the delay?
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On the other hand, if anything will turn this into a Great Deed instead of a bunch of Favor parcels it'll be dropping the entire linguistic+engineering knowledge of the Skaven at once.
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Though there is also that.
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chocolote12
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If we write the book, and then write the other book, we can charge them twice as much for textbook sales. It's an excellent springboard into the Academic Dark Side.
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I think it is, if things go well this next few turns Skaven will be basically destroyed in K8P, and the Empire is not under the constant threat of the Skaven...
Plus, seeing the amount of documents that we may recover from the Under Caldera, and the ones we got from Under Karagil, I think that we will need at least another round of translating things with Qrech to know what we got...
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Ericwinter
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Eh, fair point, it just felt like you were ignoring the worth of the tech books in your first comment. Let me put it this way, the specific "Deed" we'd be getting would be "Stealing Queekish", "Stealing literally all the Skaven technology", or "stealing both". It could go either way in my opinion.
In other matters, I forget, but did we ever sort out a way for Mathilde to actually learn spoken Queekish? Cause last I heard it was still biologically impossible.
BungieONI
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I'm some what skeptical on that level since only a tiny fraction of all the wizards in the Colleges can: know about the Skaven due to the Conspiracy, have familiars who can understand the human incompatible sections of spoken Queekish, and will be directly interacting with skaven prisoners or directly spying on them.
Basically, a very small subset of the Grey or Golds who might specifically build a tiny number of familiars for exactly this purpose.
Train Wolf to be able to translate the hearing and scent portions.
And have him nearby in listening range whenever we want to spy on or listen to Queekish with the most detail. The human audible sectiosn she could learn to understand.
Illusion would let her "speak" it.
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It is really hard for me to read our Skaven stuff as qualifying for this.
We won't know for sure until we broach the subject with Qrech. All we've got right now are thread theories; we don't actually know to what extent the various things a skaven does that a human cannot are necessary. Are the ear/tail movements and scents the equivalent of gestures in English, where they only carry metadata? Or are they like tones in Mandarin Chinese, where the same sounds said with different tones completely change the semantic meaning? We don't know.
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That goes for the engineering intel as well. Most engineers and Golds won't have clearance, whereas between Johann and ourselves we have both clearance and apptitude.
chocolote12
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No, I mean that:
Very specifically it seems to be tied into military deeds. An Emperor dragon eating cities would count, or an army of beastmen, but getting perfect intelligence on an enemy would not. We'd not have gotten a great deed for reporting on Alkharad, I don't think, we only got it because we actually turned around and ended him.
Establishing a Firmer Dominance is a highly tempting prospect, I suppose.
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The Code Crackers were only a section of the British Intelligence during WW2 so they were a relatively small number of pèople in the War effor
Despite that, we all know what cracking the Enigma Machine meant for the Allies.
Don´t underestimate the value of Quequish only because only a tiny portion of people would actually use it...
BungieONI
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I don't find it comparable, largely because written Queekish already basically pulls that off to my view given the sheer weight of people it effects.
It reaches down to the commanders of armies, their direct staff and probably down to the people who command regiments.
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There is no doubt it was useful, but it's not an action that the Empire as a whole directly respects, like assassinations aren't valued by dwarves.
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Honestly, I think there's a case to be made that the former being there raises up the later by association.
A highly detailed manual you can't read, but can study, is extraordinarily valuable, given we've gotten everything, from lightning cannons to doomwheels.
Translate it, and it's suddenly on another realm of usefulness.
"I stole tech manuals of the entire tech base of the most advanced polity in the world" should probably qualify as a "Great Deed".
"I deciphered the secret language used by the largest, most secretive, most dangerous enemy we have. Something no one has accomplished in the thousands of years they have plagued the world" should also probably make the cut.
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We should however get a ton of college favour.
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Oh, most definitely.
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Maybe, but with Spoken Queekish spies wouldn´t need to steal or copy any documents to get the intel...
They can just hide and listen to the rats speaking which makes the espionage options vastly safer and more effective.
Ericwinter
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It should be noted that those are meant to represent the scale of the feat, not necessarily what is actually required. On the other hand, you may be right. It's probably up to Boney and how much worth either Algard or the Emperor puts on either Queekish or the engineering knowledge we can get out of it. Although considering Algard basically considered a Skaven Civil War to be the best kind of news possible, I imagine he would consider this pretty damn important.
You may be right. On the other hand we did also kiick off a giant thunderdome brawl with decent chances of clearing the Karak in the process, but that's both unrelated to the Empire and a different matter.
Dude, we've basically revolutiionized counters to Greenskin magic, and will be cracking the Skaven language, which has previously bee untouched. Not to mention whatever the Snek juice nets us when we get around to it. Academic dominance is already achieved.
Note that stopping the College of Necromancy is kept incredibly top secret from basically everybody except those who already knew it and those who went to make sure we got everybody.
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This sort of equates the idea that you can get everything you can get from written intel, from spoken intel. Which is not true, see technical work and blueprints. Maps.
Reference material is always useful for intel.
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With the degree of secrecy involved I suspect we are going to see something similar to what happens on Men In Black with alien tech, the empire is going to have to slowly distribute the credit for all "weapon advances" either among the colleges, or a "research group" created for that specific purpose, and only a handful of people will ever really know it was us.
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This was literaly Johann's job.
I'm not just saying we should bring him in on analysising this book for more scenes with him you know.
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Eh, they can literally say "a wizard did it" and get away with it.
Tho I think no soldier will question why he got upgraded from flintlock pistol to machine gun.