chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
We already have +46 from our tower and learning scores. We don't need a tutor, just to choose the spell instead of gambling on the college gacha.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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- Location
- Brazil
Really, Boney took pity on us spending our everything away on the library and gave us a very generous budget, enough to get three extensive collections on different subjects, and up to the second highest tier of rarity in Dwarven books per turn.
No reason not to pace ourselves.
No reason not to pace ourselves.
Max is also excellent at learning, is patient, a Gold Wizard and has a background of both being a smith and being further trained by a dwarf master-smith.
Also, remember when we first met him, and showed him the dwarf revolver and he said that he hopes to create something like that later on?
Something tells me he knows his way around guns.
- Location
- California
I agree we should just take the scroll, but what'd be the DC? Especially since scroll learning is explicitly more difficult than a teacher. If it's 50 I'd take those odds. If it's 75 or higher, I would probably go for the tutor, just to avoid the probable nega-trait from not learning it yet.
- Location
- between Venus and Mars
He might not be getting paid, but he is partially our responsibility. taking him aside and reminding him he's suppose to be learning magic, not playing at being a knight, so he can pass his magister exam is probably part of our responsibility as a magister. Next step would be sending a letter to his magister informing them of what their journeyman is up to and let them deal with him.
that's a grey area in this, Belegar is giving them Apprentice Runesmith paid, directly or not, on the assumption he is doing the Job of an Apprentice Rune.
Warriors don't cost as much as Apprentice Runesmiths.
And what you do on your Journey is not your prerogative actually, it's so you can get ready for your exam, now how you do that is your prerogative.
the problem is that is looking like he is actively avoiding getting ready for his exam.
and that's a problem.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I disagree. The dwarves currently live in a culture where they are measuring up everything they do to what came before and it is Not Good Enough: they see their cultural trajectory as a slow, inevitable decline into darkness. Teaching them to be content with "good enough" isn't the answer in the short term, because in order to be willing to accept that you have to be willing to say that the ancestors were wrong. The answer is "no, it is possible to match and even exceed the deeds of yore" -- that the days of glory for the dwarf people have not ended.
(Also, from a tactical perspective I will point out that there is a huge difference between "16 hours/day of coverage" and "24 hours/day of coverage" when it comes time to decide how much of your surface armament you want to shift down below. I agree that down below is the important front, which is why having a superweapon that allows for complete dominance of the surface is so useful: it means you don't have to spend as many resources on fortifying the secured front. There are a lot of weapons and sentinels currently on the Citadel and East Gate that could be moved to the Underway.)
You have this backwards. Polyandry is where a single woman has multiple husbands/children by multiple fathers. Polygyny is where a mother has multiple wives/children by multiple mothers.
Please provide a citation for this. I cannot find it anywhere; I see zero indication that they are being paid by Belegar.
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We even have a scroll already thanks to our failed attempt to learn it back in Stirland (the invisible grass incident).
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Back before the drakenhof campaign, with like...3? 4? fewer magic points and a lot less experience, the DC was 70:
Also re: ducklings getting paid, iirc the only confirmation re non-mathilde wizards pay from K8P is this:
Which only covers those officially working for us and thus K8P
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[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] Another Seed of Life, but for Wolf this time. Just in case.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] Another Seed of Life, but for Wolf this time. Just in case.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
He is our responsibility in the "don't generate grudges and/or set everything on fire". Everything else is just a bonus. We have no business telling him how is he supposed to journey.
the Boss is, apprentice runesmith paid
the Boss is, apprentice runesmith paid.
this was mentioned around when we got the letter for them. (in story or WOG, cant remember, just that there was a lot of talk about it.)
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
We only have one journeyman we actually pay: Max. The rest of them either don't receive money from us or are in fact magister Johan.
Therefore, we get to boss Max and don't get to boss the others that much.
Citation needed.
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I have gone through and searched (several searches of Boney's posts, using the keywords "apprentice" and "pay", plus checking through the chapters where they were introduced). I find no indication of this. I believe you are wrong.
Where is Belegar doing that? We didn't ask him to.
We are not their director of studies.
Yeah.. his mom really makes it hard for him to bring a girl home doesn't she.
And please wear gloves when touching anything with druchi on it.
[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan Budget Spending
-[X] Skaven: Dwarven Antiquarian
-[X] Karaz Ankor: Imperial Antiquarian, Bretonnian Extensive
-[X] Total cost 100 + 100 + 100 = 300, 2 favours. Out of pocket: 0 gc, 0 favours
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan no favour mines
-[X] Skaven: Dwarven Antiquarian
-[X] Karaz Ankor: Imperial Esoteric, Bretonnian Extensive
-[X] Total cost 100 + 150 + 100 = 350, 2 favours. Out of pocket: 50 gc, 0 favours
For next turn:
- INT buff for Wolf so he can speak.
- Ferret language out of rat.
-- Deceiver.
- Learn spell.
- Figure out night time Burning Shadow.
- Pay someone else to make a 'remove clouds' spell for tower.
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan Budget Spending
-[X] Skaven: Dwarven Antiquarian
-[X] Karaz Ankor: Imperial Antiquarian, Bretonnian Extensive
-[X] Total cost 100 + 100 + 100 = 300, 2 favours. Out of pocket: 0 gc, 0 favours
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan no favour mines
-[X] Skaven: Dwarven Antiquarian
-[X] Karaz Ankor: Imperial Esoteric, Bretonnian Extensive
-[X] Total cost 100 + 150 + 100 = 350, 2 favours. Out of pocket: 50 gc, 0 favours
For next turn:
- INT buff for Wolf so he can speak.
- Ferret language out of rat.
-- Deceiver.
- Learn spell.
- Figure out night time Burning Shadow.
- Pay someone else to make a 'remove clouds' spell for tower.
they have to be paid, even if it's in the general 'army' pay. how would they be about to afford to eat? let along all the research and stuff they do (or suppose to do). why would they stick around a non-paying job when they have the student loans that every journeyman has at the start of their Journey that drove us to embezzlement at the start of the quest.
I refuse to have to cite common sense. you're just abusing 'CITATION' to win an argument.
- Location
- Aotearoa
Hear, hear.
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan no favour mines
[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan Budget Spending
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
We have no fucking idea. Perhaps they are independantly wealthy. Perhaps they, like amethist duckling, loot. Perhaps they find some kind of employment among undumgi.
There is a very stark mechanical difference between wizards we pay and wizards we do not. Wizards we pay become our minions, cost half an action and consist of Max and Johann.
Wizards we do not pay do not.
- Location
- between Venus and Mars
There is a difference between telling him what to do and and reminding him, as someone that has already been through the process, he is going to be tested on his magic, not his swordplay. Writing a letter to his magister, who IS responsible for him, reporting on what he's up to and you are concerned he is neglecting his magical studies is a professional courtesy from one magister to another, since Hubert's failures will reflect on his magister. Eventually the collage is going to send an apprentice our way. playing nice with our peers regardless of collage, so they can help us keep tabs on our apprentices when we get them will be helpful.
Edit: Hubert is independently wealthy coming from a noble family. The death mage is looting. not sure what the Bright mage is doing for coin but it can't be that hard for someone that produces fire to make money in a dwarf hold/foundry with a large population of halflings. also it's not that far fetched for them to have jobs in the hold. our local Jade wizard is probably being paid by either the dwarfs or halflings for her help with growing.
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Uh, two of them come from money? We had student loans because we were broke (EDIT: in-universe; out-of-universe, despite the fact that we had the Peasant origin, the only reason we had student loans is because we took the Student Loans flaw at character creation, indicating that it is meaningfully possible to pay your way through). Adela comes from a merchant family, Hubert is nobility, and we know how Gretel supports herself because she is bragging about treasure-hunting. Plus, like, they might be supporting themselves with odd jobs around Karag Nar.
I'm not saying "they don't need money because money only exists for the protagonist," I am saying that your assertion that Belegar had them on the payroll is a specific claim that needs to be backed up with evidence, especially if you're going to use it as a starting-point for criticizing one of them for wasting that salary.
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Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
This defeats the entire purpose of journeying.
Journeying is for the time a student to act independantly if his master and without his oversight. Yes, he is making mistakes. That is the point of journeying, to let him make his own mistakes so that he would learn from them.
Oops. Editing.
- Location
- madison
Assume that the kill-plaugue is released, it'll hurt them WAY more than it'll hurt us. Win-win.
So, last thought on dwarf populations: we already have a book covering one solution: we know chaos dwarves have restored a population at least as late as the Western dwarves twice in the OOC timeline, from a very small base. Therefore, if the difference is biological, we'll find out in the skaven anatomy book. If there isn't anything there, then cultural approaches are much more likely to succeed.
Basically women are the bottleneck here- it really doesn't matter in the end of you lose 4/5 of all men to war as long as polyandry is culturally acceptable (yes, per WoG) but only having one in four live births contribute to the next generation is crippling. It would lead to the actual pattern we see too: slow grinding attrition that can last for centuries but does not meaningfully impact dwarf army numbers, combined with massive irrecoverable population drops when Karags fall and civilians get massacred. More babies overall would help, but a shift to 2-1 instead of 3-1 male/female births would allow compounding forward as the portion of the population which reproduces gets larger.
honestly, the pattern seems to doom them no matter what. one dwarf in 4 is female, and each female produces at most four dwarves. That seems like it would produce a downward population spiral even in good times.