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You know, there is a point at which "esoteric Romance books" start looking like Slaaneshi brochures and texts.
 
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All right, it's been 7 minutes and I am not being angrily shouted at, so it is a good sign.

I am willing to defect from the "no books" to the "all the books" camp in exchange for a defection from "no reccomendation" to the "reforge" camp.

If anybody has a strong moral protest against what I am doing, please, express it.
 
chocolote12 said:
I mean, Wizards liking lots and lots of books isn't exactly metagamey. Wanting the pluses, maybe, but in universe terms that just means that we're well read on a variety of subjects, which presumably is the entire point of having a very impressive library. Wizards don't just collect the things because they like the aesthetics.

The real travesty is, of course, spending hundreds of gold on romance novels instead of anything useful, which is so ludicrously excessive and indulgent that an argument could be made that it sounds an awful lot like a legitimate baby's first temptation of Slaanesh.
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Akasha said:
You know, there is a point at which "esoteric Romance books" start looking like Slaaneshi brochures and text samples.
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Now THAT is hyperbolic.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons

Changed me vote. The time for romance is later.
 
picklepikkl said:
Yeah, the point of my post was "I think a lot of people are voting no purchase because they don't want to spend so much on romance novels, so we should get some momentum behind the non-romance-novel book acquisition plan if we want those other books."

Exactly. I'm on Team Romance Novels, but I recognize that a lot of people feel strongly that the current romance novel plan is excessive, so I have approval voted for the non-romance-but-still-extensive option I quoted in my last post in the hopes that no-purchase people also approval vote for it and we can meet in the middle.
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I also think that some of the specific books on the list shouldn't even be there.

God, I wish we could just run this like the living quarters. Buy four books a turn or something so that we can carefully consider the choices, rather than asking for things like "Imperial Books on Skaven Magic" that don't make a lick of sense.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword

[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.

[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.

[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] Grounding Rod
 
I mean, if the books don't exist to be purchased, we don't spend any money, no harm no foul. QM said that.

But, like, if the Conspiracy of Silence has books on the Skaven and their magic, we should get them.
 
Briefvoice said:
I also think that some of the specific books on the list shouldn't even be there.

God, I wish we could just run this like the living quarters. Buy four books a turn or something so that we can carefully consider the choices, rather than asking for things like "Imperial Books on Skaven Magic" that don't make a lick of sense.
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We are part of the literal Colleges of Magic.

If there's one thing I expect them to have, is books on freaking magic.

Also, Esoteric/Skaven is totally legit, we just have to roll we'll to actually find them.
 
chocolote12 said:
The real travesty is, of course, spending hundreds of gold on romance novels instead of anything useful, which is so ludicrously excessive and indulgent that an argument could be made that it sounds an awful lot like a legitimate baby's first temptation of Slaanesh.
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Honestly, what do Esoteric Romance Novels even entail? I suspect some of them include exotic and taboo variants of smut (which shall not be named here), and there's a risk that some of them may well be written by Slaaneshi cultists if Mathilde doesn't take her time to carefully screen her purchases. I suspect if the roll is really low, we'd end up accidentally buying subtle Slanneshi cultist propaganda without realizing what we just purchased because of the lack of time to screen our purchases. I'm not claiming those are memetic hazards - only, it could well lead to problems with the College down the lines if the wrong type of esoteric romance novels finds their way to us, and the Grey College tracked our purchases.

Also, given the paranoia of the Grey Order, if the Bussars are watching our purchase activities, I have a suspicion that Slanneshi cultist material would be one of the fears of whoever learns that Mathilde is seeking out exotic romance novels.
 
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[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.
[X] [LIBRARY] No Purchase
 
Briefvoice said:
I also think that some of the specific books on the list shouldn't even be there.

God, I wish we could just run this like the living quarters. Buy four books a turn or something so that we can carefully consider the choices, rather than asking for things like "Imperial Books on Skaven Magic" that don't make a lick of sense.
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There are imperial books on skaven magic. The issue is that they're hard to get your hands on but they will exist even outside of the colleges of magic. Imperial scholars actually have lore on quite a lot of stuff now often it's not always reliable but the old world bestiary from 2E RP is written explicitly in the form of a kind of encylopedia with eye witness accounts and occasionally scholars thoughts I don't think it's impossible to find books on the skaven just unlikely.
 
Briefvoice said:
Yeah, I wouldn't mind buying one collection of "Romance Books" for 50 crown. Not Extensive, not a bunch of different languages she doesn't read. Given the differing costs of academic works versus cheap bodice rippers, 50 crown of romance books ought to last her an entire life.
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If an Extensive collection is one bookshelf worth, a regular +1 collection is like... What, 3 books?

Books appear to be worth more than their weight in gold in the Warhammer verse.
 
Guile said:
If an Extensive collection is one bookshelf worth, a regular +1 collection is like... What, 3 books?

Books appear to be worth more than their weight in gold in the Warhammer verse.
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The problem is that the GM's bookbuying system is intended for high quality, highly rare works, not common romance novels.
 
Briefvoice said:
God, I wish we could just run this like the living quarters. Buy four books a turn or something.
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I like this idea after these two votes. My one concern here is that the thread might then feel obligated to use all 4 books when theres no need, like how people would constantly argue for stat training because we could only train stats we used in the previous turn, even when there were things that should have been higher priority.
 
racnor said:
Now THAT is hyperbolic.
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No, I'm quite serious. They're the Four, not Tzeentch and pals, and dhar isn't the only temptation we'll encounter.

Mathilde isn't a raging murderer or some weird disease cultist (how do people even get tempted by doom-Shrek?), and she's pretty well indoctrinated against the temptations of chaotic magic (in a good way), and being proud and liking trashy romance novels aren't evil character traits on their own, but exaggerating those desires to such obscene proportions (more than multiple years worth of the entire income of province-wide institutions!) is pretty much a textbook case of going way too far.

And seriously, what else could a literally esoteric romance novel even be?
 
Guile said:
If an Extensive collection is one bookshelf worth, a regular +1 collection is like... What, 3 books?

Books appear to be worth more than their weight in gold in the Warhammer verse.
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It's not surprising tbh, paper is likely to be incredibly expensive and printing or scribing them is also going to be very expensive. I'd expect individual books to cost something like 5-10gc.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.

[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.

[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Soizic, Bretonnian Questing Knight


[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.

I've been convinced that an multiple Esoteric collections of Romance novels is excessive. Hopefully Mathilde can still purchase a more reasonable amount on her own initiative - I'd hate to see that character quirk go.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Soizic, Bretonnian Questing Knight
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons

Any chance we can recruit the questing knight as our personal agent? Give her a shadowhorse and a mission to enforce virtue where we see it needed.
 
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chocolote12 said:
And seriously, what else could a literally esoteric romance novel even be?
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A rare translated Dark Elf book, 100 copy run for purely academic purposes?

Isabella Carstein's personal slash fic notebook, lost by the witch hunters and resold as a historical curio and possible dark lore source? (there is no dark lore there, only smut)
 
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I'm willing to drop my vote for the romantic library if someone else is willing to drop their no purchase vote.
 
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