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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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SurpriseMe said:
[/] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be allowed to scutter off into the Underway, never to be seen again.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Soizic, Bretonnian Questing Knight

Revoting with the sword added. Also again on the Bretonnian-most are pretty arrogant, but she's willing to fight on foot with foreigners. That puts her head and shoulders above most others for empathy, and her gender puts her at much less unorthodox. Give her a chance.
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Give her a chance and a shadowsteed.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
 
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[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.

[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [RUNE] A 25 favour weapon to commemorate Mathilde's part the in retaking of Karak Eight-Peaks.
[X] [RUNE] Weapon 25 Favor

We do legendary things. that's why we have the favor to buy a legendary weapon.
Unless you're planning to vote against Mathilde acting as she always has or dying there is simply no chance we won't do legendary things in future
 
DiceOfStupidity said:
Problem with going for a legend is that Mathilde will not be doing anything that needs legendary item. No heroic battles. No personal defence against of great evil. No changing tide of battle. Getting something like that and not putting it to suitable use is a bit of insult. Having legendary weapom will make people expect Mathilde to do legendary deeds. Not something we would want.
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Why not? Why not plan to assassinate the Warboss of Black Cragg? Or the Warlord of Clan Mors? Or several of the only 169 Grey Seers in the World? Or given we have Dhar immunity, shatter one of the irreplaceable Screaming Bells if they bring one within reach? All of these should be things that a top tier rune weapon should make much more possible, and all are pretty legendary deeds.

Even more, why not aspire to avenge the Runelords of Thunder Mountain by sneaking into its heart and slaying Azorgaron the Black*?

We've already accomplished a legendary deed by murdering the right person at the right moment.

* thanks to having fire immunity, the environmental hazards of the lava aren't a problem, and neither is his fire breath. The Coin and her spells allow her to sneak past the cultists. As he's a spellcasting dragon, the Spelleater rune is also perfect against him. The rune weapon is the final major piece of equipment she needs. As he's asleep, she can almost certainly sneak in and get the first blow without him being alerted, but after then she's just survivable enough that with a good enough weapon she can finish the job and take him out when that first blow wakes him up. She's not there yet, but it's something we can aspire to.
 
SurpriseMe said:
[/] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be allowed to scutter off into the Underway, never to be seen again.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Soizic, Bretonnian Questing Knight

Revoting with the sword added. Also again on the Bretonnian-most are pretty arrogant, but she's willing to fight on foot with foreigners. That puts her head and shoulders above most others for empathy, and her gender puts her at much less unorthodox. Give her a chance.
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You have a / instead of an x in the rune vote so the tally wont count it.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] Items of Inspiration, Trial and Error, and Law of Logic (eight favours)
[X] [LIBRARY] Extensive library of romance novels (Both imperial and dwarf)

Now you may be wondering why the romance novels? It's because it's a fun character trait, and I want to build on that more.
 
Awetduck said:
We talking bout Alith Anar over here?
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Yeah.
I know he is a bit more than swamp hick. Context was me going, more or less, "When you claim development of Ranald's Sorcery is categorically different in its ability to change the world from anything else we could do, you are basically comparing Level 40 Theurge to level 20 wizard and then claim wizard class is bad per se; I am sure that lvl 40 Arcane Trickster can be equally terrifying in their own way, and as example of high-tier achievement let's go kill Malekith - which is about as improbable as developing Sorcery".

To which counterargument (which, IMO, completely missed the point), was to get in line behind Alith Anar and that killing Malekith is impossibly different. Which was exactly my point but uh I guess I was not clear enough or something.

But that's water under the bridge. Judging by Avatar trait vote winning quite handily, people are quite committed to, to paraphrase, going the route of Ranaldian Theurge prestige class. Sure, why not, I aint going to go against that flow if people've spoken. Relitigating past votes or trying a run-around those is silly and kind of rude.
Hence voting to read Liber Mortis and trying to fit in poking Coin when we get around to it.
 
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
 
Just to reiterate:

EVA-Saiyajin said:
Honestly, and I consider the following a good thing, if we are extremely vague (like, just "Greatsword") I do not believe Kragg would give us a weapon solely better at killing. Boney himself said that the more general, the more imaginative they can be. Who would have expected the anti-Dhar thing for our belt?

Kragg has seen us fight. He has seen us sneak around and cause highly valuable chaos and destruction. He has seen us deal with/seen the results of us dealing with the arcane.

This isn't a blank slate his imagination is working from. I wouldn't be surprised if he made us something able to literally cut magic in some way, be it the Winds enemy wizards draw in or Augment spells, etc.
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Boney himself made an implication what it might mean, what Kragg thinks is best for us that he put in the anti-Dhar part of the Belt.

He's not going in with no idea what to do or focused on a singular part if we're not specific. I do not expect a weapon good solely for killing better.

And again, spiders need to take time to be integrated, so military alliance at best.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
[X] [RUNE] No purchase.
Having thought about it, if we get a sword I'd like it to be a 25 Favour sword... but I'd rather not get another sword just yest. We're settling into a long period of study, and will doubtless have many fancy things to spend our favours on - such as pimping out our Wizard Tower. Leave the sword purchase for later.
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IIRC Wog is a 25 runic item will take three turns to be commissioned we wont have it for a while.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be allowed to scutter off into the Underway, never to be seen again.
Too much risk aiming them at the Orcs/goblins.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [UNDUMGI] Soizic, Bretonnian Questing Knight
I think the Tilean is the best fit for what K8P needs, but the Knight could definitely help influencing the Undumgi into being less... um mercenary.

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
I think we should either return the armor to its proper Hoild or leave the decision to Belegar without input.

[X] [RUNE] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.

Also, for anyone who doesn't want to buy a rune weapon (either yet or ever) remember to vote to that effect. As it stands a grand total of 7 votes are currently deciding on the course in that regard.
Edit: changed library vote.
 
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Guys, if we vote for 25 favors for the weapon, we don't need to reccommend that the armor should be reforged, I think Kragg will make eyes at Belegar and he'll get the hint.
 
Alratan said:
Why not? Why not plan to assassinate the Warboss of Black Cragg? Or the Warlord of Clan Mors? Or several of the only 169 Grey Seers in the World? Or given we have Dhar immunity, shatter one of the irreplaceable Screaming Bells if they bring one within reach? All of these should be things that a top tier rune weapon should make much more possible, and all are pretty legendary deeds.

Even more, why not aspire to avenge the Runelords of Thunder Mountain by sneaking into its heart and slaying Azorgaron the Black*?

We've already accomplished a legendary deed by murdering the right person at the right moment.

* thanks to having fire immunity, the environmental hazards of the lava aren't a problem, and neither is his fire breath. The Coin and her spells allow her to sneak past the cultists. As he's a spellcasting dragon, the Spelleater rune is also perfect against him. The rune weapon is the final major piece of equipment she needs. As he's asleep, she can almost certainly sneak in and get the first blow without him being alerted, but after then she's just survivable enough that with a good enough weapon she can finish the job and take him out when that first blow wakes him up. She's not there yet, but it's something we can aspire to.
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We're immune to fire and the extreme heat of lava, but not to smoke and the toxic gases produced by lava. Boney clarified this when we decided to burn Grobi Town.
 
primemountain said:
I get you think it's cool, but chill, eh?

You're acting as if Mat is the hero of the story. And she is, of our story. She'll certainly have a prominent place in the stories told.

But you're pushing that whole inspirational savior angle a bit too hard there mate. King Belegar and Kragg the Grim will be heroes, more told and sung off, than some umgi Wizard. Not to mention the literral thousands who fought there. So chill, ok?

She a hero of the story of K8P, but not "The Hero". That's almost certain to end up being Belegar. He is King after all, that has perks. Though Runelords are kings as well, so Kragg might take if for splitting the heavens and the earth. It was certainly impressive enough.
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Obviously, the protagonist of the story is king Belegar. His is the story of a young king reclaiming his ancestral kingdom, it is an old and powerful story. Kragg occupies here a Merlin-like slot, a wise and ancient advisor and mentor (it doesn't need to be true in reality, it's just the literary role he will be shoehorned into because legends are traditional like that). And Mathilde is the favored knight and servant, one who goes out in the field and performs miracles in her king's name and by his command. And this kind of character is supposed to be greatly rewarded by the king, to show his wisdom, generosity and fitness for rulership. Well, that, or cast aside and insulted greatly (usually at the behest of an evil courtier), which will be used as a set up for a new ark, but I don't think we are going that way any time soon.
 
Codex said:
We're immune to fire and the extreme heat of lava, but not to smoke and the toxic gases produced by lava. Boney clarified this when we decided to burn Grobi Town.
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We are how ever toughness five. Which is explicitly beyond human limitations due to the belt we have so we'll actually be able to weather that a lot better than we should otherwise be able to, but yes toxic gasses will be an issue.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Having thought about it, if we get a sword I'd like it to be a 25 Favour sword... but I'd rather not get another sword just yest. We're settling into a long period of study, and will doubtless have many fancy things to spend our favours on - such as pimping out our Wizard Tower. Leave the sword purchase for later.

Alternatively, there is an argument for learning to wield an Greataxe instead, and getting a 25 favour one. For roughly ~3 actions of training (maybe less, given that some Greatsword knowledge might carry over) we can get what would truly be the peak of Dawi craftsmanship.
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Apparently we can get a Greatsword Trait but not a Greataxe Trait.

Also, if we leave the sword purchase for later, we're very likely to fritter our favours away and make that impossible.

We're also probably not settling into a long period of study, unfortunately. The decision to focus on the EIC combined with the many urgent threats on our doorstep make that unlikely to be honest. We're in a part of the world where the kind of magical threats Karak Eight Peaks faces are likely to be enemy casters or magical monsters that need to die.

Codex said:
We're immune to fire and the extreme heat of lava, but not to smoke and the toxic gases produced by lava. Boney clarified this when we decided to burn Grobi Town.
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Then we've still got an additional item to get from the Colleges. This isn't a tomorrow job anyway, but it's still one we're still closer than almost everyone else.
 
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] Item to communicate with The We.


[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
 
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[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
 
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Deathbybunnies said:
Don't want it in 3 turns either. We'll be here studying for longer than that. In 10 turns, when we've made a dent in our studying backlog and have spent and regained some favours, I'd be up for returning to this.
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I think we'll have frittered away most of the favour in 10 turns and wont have much left. We were about to spend four last turn until a last minute change in the vote plans for what would have been +3 to a single roll occasionally.
 
Having finaly caught up with the discusion time to vote

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.

First aproval voting being friends with the spiders, they are inteligent, friendly, extremely usefull and we have multiple ways to stablish long term comunications, including the ambers we have right here that would love the oportunity.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

I think he has the best balance of experiences to make the most of this nascent trade hub.

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.

I am a hard time deciding what is irritating me more about how the vote is going.
On the one hand we have everyone voting to abstain because this is a dwarf mater, and keep forgeting this is actualy a Karak Eight Peaks mater and we are one the few who sits at the council of the King, dwarven matter have aready become our matter, and we spend enought time with them to know the raminification, Mthield isn't an unrelated ignorant part that should step aside she is the exact oposite.

But them there is everyone voting to just give it way, ignoring how potent a symbol of the new hope that was this renconquest would be, how the star aligned for the unique oportunity to birth a LEGEND into the world, and want to give this way on the hopes another suit of armor would make a greater diference.

So let's not give away either responsability or oportunity and make something to celebrate Belegars dream, that something great and new can still be made from the old.

[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
 
Kornet said:
Obviously, the protagonist of the story is king Belegar. His is the story of a young king reclaiming his ancestral kingdom, it is an old and powerful story. Kragg occupies here a Merlin-like slot, a wise and ancient advisor and mentor (it doesn't need to be true in reality, it's just the literary role he will be shoehorned into because legends are traditional like that). And Mathilde is the favored knight and servant, one who goes out in the field and performs miracles in her king's name and by his command. And this kind of character is supposed to be greatly rewarded by the king, to show his wisdom, generosity and fitness for rulership. Well, that, or cast aside and insulted greatly (usually at the behest of an evil courtier), which will be used as a set up for a new ark, but I don't think we are going that way any time soon.
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That...makes some amount of sense. I'm still against a sword. And I think if you are going for the whole inspirational uniti thing for K8P, it should be of K8P. If you really want a symbol, make it a dwarven one. Ask Kragg to make an axe worthy of a King of K8P. Spend 25 favor points on that. That is how you get the inspirational story thing.

As long as you are getting it for Mat, I don't think it works. All that inspirational stuff and then? Then she became the Court Wiazrd and talked to some spiders. Can you feel the failed expetation? It might have worked if Mat was the K8P inner marshal, but I just don't think the story works they way you think it will. The runefangs founded the Empire, a human realm. If you want something for K8P, make it dwarven.
 
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