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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Who said the EIC doesn't have an army? They must be employing like 90% of men at arms in Stirland not in the army, and probably have the potential to hire enough mercs to stomp all over the stirlander troops not currently engaged in beating up skeletons.

Like, it's actually pretty dire, because it's sort of getting to the point where the actual elector count is sort of like a (very large) mercenary army, and a depressingly large amount of the actual governance is being done by an independent company who's only really held in check by a old woman with terrible inheritors.

(an, unorthidox solution might be to get the Empire's government to name Wilhemina the new elector countess, issue her a heir to train, and make Roswita her martial advisor and sort of hope that welds together the rapidly splitting apart Civil and Military stirlander government.)
 
Codex said:
Ah damn. I really liked Skaroki and Ulthar.
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More surprised by Ulthar not being around. In canon, he was also operating at K8Ps when it was just 500 Clan Angrund members who started out (and with support from the Worlds Edge Holds instead of the Young Holds), so I thought he was a member (or at least so closely associated he might as well have bee.)
 
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Pempelune said:
I must say, I'm pretty surprised that Court Wizard is the majority option here, particularly when one of the 2 best runelords of the entire Karaz Ankor is the alternative :thonk:
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They're not?


Alliterate said:
You missed the edit, where I suggest we'd parley our influence into someone else's with Imperial influence of some kind, and there is absolutely reason to look on the EIC with concern.
Mathilde was doing so in the update, after all, and Stirland remains her backyard (36%!)

Chaos or Vampires. Thats also missing the point. It's also not so much to stop Roswita mismanaging, its to make sure there's someone competent up there who will naturally want to keep the EIC aligned with the interests of Stirland and the Empire.
If that happens, there is less to worry about- if the Steward can keep Wilheimina in check, we don't need to. Win/win.
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Not every commercial concern in the Empire needs a Grey Wizard looking over their shoulders.

The EIC isn't creating any problems for the near future and if it does the first line against mundane shenanigans is the Elector Count.

Sure Mathilde has some interest in the proceedings but she's also focused on Karak Eight Peaks and only indirectly involved. Now if the EIC keeps growing then we might want to reevaluate but at the moment there's a lot of more important or more urgent stuff Mathilde can do.
 
VoidZero said:
Nah, we should will the company to the college should Weber become socially dead without a heir. I'm sure the grey appreciates new income stream.
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Decoupling the Grey college removes them from Imperial control, which I would strongly caution against.

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Harried said:
Who said the EIC doesn't have an army? They must be employing like 90% of men at arms in Stirland not in the army, and probably have the potential to hire enough mercs to stomp all over the stirlander troops not currently engaged in beating up skeletons.

Like, it's actually pretty dire, because it's sort of getting to the point where the actual elector count is sort of like a (very large) mercenary army, and a depressingly large amount of the actual governance is being done by an independent company who's only really held in check by a old woman with terrible inheritors.

(an, unorthidox solution might be to get the Empire's government to name Wilhemina the new elector countess, issue her a heir to train, and make Roswita her martial advisor and sort of hope that welds together the rapidly splitting apart Civil and Military stirlander government.)
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What are you basing this on? Because I've found no evidence of this. The write up for the EIC is below.

BoneyM said:
The Eastern Imperial Company
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Harried said:
Who said the EIC doesn't have an army? They must be employing like 90% of men at arms in Stirland not in the army, and probably have the potential to hire enough mercs to stomp all over the stirlander troops not currently engaged in beating up skeletons.

Like, it's actually pretty dire, because it's sort of getting to the point where the actual elector count is sort of like a (very large) mercenary army, and a depressingly large amount of the actual governance is being done by an independent company who's only really held in check by a old woman with terrible inheritors.

(an, unorthidox solution might be to get the Empire's government to name Wilhemina the new elector countess, issue her a heir to train, and make Roswita her martial advisor and sort of hope that welds together the rapidly splitting apart Civil and Military stirlander government.)
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Even if it should come to this, we can shut the whole company down just by asking our dear friend Anton, as Mathilde and Anton own a controlling share between them. We should definitely keep an eye on things, but it's no priority and we certainly shouldn't act now, even more so when they have expressed an interest in investing in K8P.
 
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[X] Marry them...
- [X] Reinhild Gerber
- [X] Wilhemina
[X] 'Head Ranger' (Spymaster), Internal Focus
[X] Steward
[X] Court Wizard
 
Pempelune said:
Even if it should come to this, we can shut the whole company down just by asking our dear friend Anton, as Mathilde and Anton own a controlling share between them. We should definitely keep an eye on things, but it's no priority and we certainly shouldn't act now, even more so when they have expressed an interest in investing in K8P.
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Unless he is manipulated by his wife, who was recommended by Wilhelmina, to support Wilhelmina. Then it's our 36 versus hers again, and we have to politic the other two stakeholders.
 
If Roswita gets a competent Steward, they can do their job and keep an eye on the EIC getting out of hand.
Then we don't have to. That's efficient!
The ostensible reason for replacement is that he's giving bad advice to an Elector Count regarding e.g. taxation rights, nothing direct about the EIC.

That said:
[X] Steward
 
Chronobreak said:
For the foreseeable future we will be in Karag Eight Peaks, home to dwarves, halflings, Ulricans, and former mercenaries.

Mathilde has casted strong doubt on the possibility of marrying a dwarf, which I see as the most likely group for a character to come out of that will be generally well received by everyone.

Who exactly are people expecting to find later down the line? Marrying for love is all well and good, but I'm afraid that a perfect candidate scarcely exist, and should not be relied on.

The same rejection happen with Abelhelm, and I fairly certain that he will continue to be the most popular love interest for Mathilde, and he's dead, and staying dead.

It all seems to be pointing towards a celibate protagonist. Which is fine. It just seems the most likely outcome, barring, of course, a dwarf whose interested in that stuff.

I do hope Anton will be happy with gun lady. He's a charming guy. He'll win her over.
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Hey, I've got eyes on Maximilian now. I rank him the same as Anton for "maybe yes but it depends on lots of things." :tongue:

Dude can write books. WIZARD books!

Romance books...? :oops: :rolleyes:
 
qwolfs said:
Decoupling the Grey college removes them from Imperial control, which I would strongly caution against.
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Eh, i'm sure the grey got some other money making property and one more wouldn't hurt. There are enough watchers on the watcher for everyone to balance out new resources.
 
MooseHowl said:
This may require the writing of more reports and papers. With that in mind:

[:V] Pressgang Maximilian

Keep making the nerd-papers do the good readingy word thingy, Max!
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Why get a rope around him when we can put a ring on it instead? :thonk:

Neshuakadal said:
Also who else is peeved at Magister Johann. Who ever called him out over knowing FC spells was dead on the money. I hope we can make his life just a little bit miserable for lying to a grey wizard.
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I am in favor of ramping up the Belligerent Sexual Tension between Mathilde and Johann and then wiping the charming, self-assured smirk off his face by grabbing him by the collar and shoving our tongue down his throat. :V
 
Regarding the issue of the EIC, perhaps what we ought do is drop a line in Julia's ear to keep an eye out? She's the only local we trust who is both unconnected and has the means to keep tabs on the EIC. If worst comes to worst, well, we are the Dämmerlichtreiter. We did it once, we can do it again.


ichypa said:
Why get a rope around him when we can put a ring on it instead? :thonk:

I am in favor of ramping up the Belligerent Sexual Tension between Mathilde and Johann and then wiping the charming, self-assured smirk off his face by grabbing him by the collar and shoving our tongue down his throat. :V
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A problem: They're Golds. Aren't they celibate?
 
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@BoneyM , if we wanted to ensure Roswita gets a better Steward, where 'better' means both 'better for assuaging our concerns about the EIC', and 'better for an Elector Count and the stability of a pillar of the Empire', is that within our remit as 'Grey Wizard de facto with the Stirland Economy Watch portfolio'?
If so, is it likely to be within our grasp? Trading College favour, most likely, for the Imperial influence to make it happen.
Or, I dunno, maybe getting a Dawi guildsdwarf to advise her instead? :)
 
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Valarauko said:
Regarding the issue of the EIC, perhaps what we ought do is drop a line in Julia's ear to keep an eye out? She's the only local we trust who is both unconnected and has the means to keep tabs on the EIC. If worst comes to worst, well, we are the Dämmerlichtreiter. We did it once, we can do it again.
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By the way, why exactly do we trust Julia? She was always explicit about serving her own and her houses interests and derived great fun from being able to manipulate political landscape through blackmail and information brockerage.

Do you trust thevresidual fear about our grey wizardness to keep her in line?
 
[X] Marry them...
- [X] Reinhild Gerber
[X] 'Head Ranger' (Spymaster), Internal Focus
[X] 'Head Ranger' (Spymaster), External Focus
[X] Court Wizard
 
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Questing for fun said:
ok sorry but I am not arguing this or anything stupid like that.

Just asking for clarification.

Does this rule include races whos entire purpose is for the attempted genocide of other races? AKA the kind of race whos only purpose is to serve as the irredeemable evil race whos only purpose is to kill and destroy and biologically and genetically need warfare to survive as a species? (literally they gain sustenance from warfare!)

just asking this as I did not know the rule applied to that kind of species. I thought it only applied to species capable of anything other than war.

I intended to eventually include this as an option in my own quest to wipe out the Grimm after all who also tick off all these boxes. Not the exact method but genocide nonetheless.
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I am confused. How many versions of no seriously don't talk about that here do you need?

If you want to explore this rule in depth please find another space. This thread is not the right place for such discussions.
 
I think we shouldn't be too concerned about taking drastic measures for the stirland economy. Keep in mind that for Roswita it has been a handful of turns at best in her new position, some of which were spent with Wilhemna as her advisor there. I highly doubt the new guy has been in position long, and she's probably spending personal actions on vetting advisors/improving her own stats.

Really I expect her to probably take a breath when the large gribbly concentrations are gone, do an audit, and get a long term advisor instead of the short term cash she is after right now.
 
SurpriseMe said:
I think we shouldn't be too concerned about taking drastic measures for the stirland economy. Keep in mind that for Roswita it has been a handful of turns at best in her new position, some of which were spent with Wilhemna as her advisor there. I highly doubt the new guy has been in position long, and she's probably spending personal actions on vetting advisors/improving her own stats.

Really I expect her to probably take a breath when the large gribbly concentrations are gone, do an audit, and get a long term advisor instead of the short term cash she is after right now.
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And how much more of Stirlands economy will Wilheimina have locked up for the EIC by that point? :)

The real problem comes if and when it blows up under our watch.
 
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