Clearly the sort of assignment one gives an apprentice.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I think that may run into the classic flaw of capturing a deadly beast, putting it in a cage, and then making the beast smarter. Soon enough the Jurassic Park theme song starts playing and its all down hill from there.
Sir_Travelsalot
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Especially when said cage is built out of your soul bits.
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Oh it hasn't been tried before! I honestly thought some Gold had given it a shot by now. Maybe we could try it ourselves and find out. Heck we've got an apparition already to work with, and making our Pokemon smarter and more capable would be pretty advantageous out in the field.
...As opposed to the normal method of binding an animal familiar, where you capture a deadly beast, put it in a cage, and make it smarter?
It hasn't been documented anywhere that Mathilde has read. That might mean it hasn't been tried before.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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Most wizards don't get familiars and end up doing just fine. And by my understanding, wizards have no control whatsoever over just how well they'll get along with their familiars, whether they are natural or whether they are created. Between that and familiar obsession, I don't think it's something we need to push Eike towards.
Ultimately, our relationship with Wolf is truly unique and we can't expect Eike would benefit nearly as much as we did from one.
But would someone who had a good understanding of how mundane materials conduct magic (like Eike) have a slightly easier time (narratively) making a familiar?
You guys know how Algard said once that logic often has nothing to do with our profession? I think this is one of those times.
Ultimately, our relationship with Wolf is truly unique and we can't expect Eike would benefit nearly as much as we did from one.
On that note, I'm given to understand you don't need to know how to enchant or turn staffs to create a familiar, right?
But would someone who had a good understanding of how mundane materials conduct magic (like Eike) have a slightly easier time (narratively) making a familiar?
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You guys know how Algard said once that logic often has nothing to do with our profession? I think this is one of those times.
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There are transferrable elements that would make it easier, but neither is required.
Yes.
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Does necromancy have anything similar with ghosts?
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Speaking of familiars, whatever came out of Mathilde's efforts to prod Hubert into taking one?
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He failed to get any familiar as good as Mathilde's. It's an unfortunate state of affairs sadly shared by all other wizards in the Colleges.
There's a lot of similarities between necromancy in general and familiar creation and binding techniques.
Hubert seemed unaccompanied last time Mathilde saw him.
Just form a close, personal friendship with a god and make them like you enough to deliver a perfect familiar straight to your doorstep. It's not that hard
... Honestly, getting shown those rolls again I'm really curious what would have happened on a 100.
Parabola
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We didn't take any actions to prod him into that. I think he was looking for one on his own? I recall some mentions of allowing him to look among the choughs on Mathilde's shrine to see if any had any potential to be a familiar.
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I thought Mathilde took him to the shrine to point them out as possibilities? And it was action from her end, not something the thread actually voted on.
Parabola
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Right. It was an action on her part but it wasn't an uppercase-A Action.
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Let's go to the tape! On the T29 Duckling Club part of the social turn:
And then six months later, on T30:
So it wasn't Mathilde's idea to meddle unprompted; Hubert was like "I want one," and then Mathilde thought about it, decided that if Ranald claimed one of Ulric's pets for His faithful then it was fair to give Ulric the same option, and let Hubert hang out at the shrine and see if any of the crows was a promising candidate. Didn't work out, but them's the breaks.
K von Carstein
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No, the identity of the master would be very clear
Hubert would one day write a book on how to be a dragon's pet.
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... Now I'm wondering if you could turn a wolfship into a familiar.
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Having caught up, I saw some people talking about the Ithilmar EIC action, which I'm delighted by. We could always use a few thousand more gold, especially before we pass through Lothern.
Aside from that pseudo-time limit on the option, I suspect there's another time limit we're secretly running up against: the time we have until someone else thinks of this brilliant idea to make thousands of gold very easily, and then does so.
We've seen the Eonir travelling around the Empire, and we've seen this very turn movers and shakers - i.e., the sorts of people who can afford the investment to make this scheme work - mobbing Mathilde to ask about trade. One of these parties, on either side, is going to think of this sooner or later. And we've just opened up a new, easily-accessible trade route to Laurelorn.
I want to be rich, and I fear the opportunity is slipping through our grasp. We should take the Ithilmar action this turn, before someone else does.
[x] [PURCHASE] Ulric (Imperial Esoteric, 100 gc)
[x] [DWARF] No purchase.
[x] [LIBRARY] Back-fill: Social science
[x] [COLLEGE] No purchase
Aside from that pseudo-time limit on the option, I suspect there's another time limit we're secretly running up against: the time we have until someone else thinks of this brilliant idea to make thousands of gold very easily, and then does so.
We've seen the Eonir travelling around the Empire, and we've seen this very turn movers and shakers - i.e., the sorts of people who can afford the investment to make this scheme work - mobbing Mathilde to ask about trade. One of these parties, on either side, is going to think of this sooner or later. And we've just opened up a new, easily-accessible trade route to Laurelorn.
I want to be rich, and I fear the opportunity is slipping through our grasp. We should take the Ithilmar action this turn, before someone else does.
[x] [PURCHASE] Ulric (Imperial Esoteric, 100 gc)
[x] [DWARF] No purchase.
[x] [LIBRARY] Back-fill: Social science
[x] [COLLEGE] No purchase
Parabola
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I think it may depend entirely on how you approach it.
Boney's mentioned before that Elves seem to lack a 'cinnamon roll' instinct and base all of their relationships with beasts on a mutual respect because those beasts are usually very dangerous/strong/wise/etc, and that the bonds between Dragon Mages and Dragons might be something similar to the bond of animal familiars. So if the Caledorian way of riding dragons is a familiar-ish bond, maybe it's an entirely horizontal relationship between equals.
But we know there's more dragon riders than just the ones from Caledor: There's the Druchii, who have Black Dragons; I imagine they do the classically horrible Druchii thing of going "OBEY ME"; if that's a familiar bond of sorts, it's a rather precarious one where if the Druchii slips up they get eaten.
Then there's the Asrai and their rare Forest Dragons. Maybe they're also in a relationship of equals, similar to the Caledorians? I don't know. I haven't read all that much about them.
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