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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Marry me...
- [X] When I return.

[X] Court Wizard

Puppy 😍.

Please don't throw Anton to the wolves, we are his best chance of being happy, just wait until we have the K8P (we can choose the less likely to kill us options), he deserves happiness.
 
[X] Stay single. Marry for love.
[X] Marry them...
- [X] Reinhild Gerber
[X] Court Wizard
[X] 'Head Ranger' (Spymaster), External Focus
 
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Humbaba said:
WHAT?!

*Screams in Economics!*

Dear Ranald, Roswita. I just wanted you to eat a bit of humble pie. I didn't think anyone could possibly be stupid enough to do this... This might just top nearly losing the runefang.

Also:

Mathilde Weber would never dream of abusing her magic to get rich.
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Because she really doesn't need to . She already owns a 1/3 stake in West Stirland. And best gunpowder ingredients are still being quietly sold to the Dwarves.

And the EIC is still growing...
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Yeah, this... honestly, Roswita is a failure as an Elector Countess for this alone. She needs those taxation rights to stay in charge because she won't be able to pay the army if she lacks an income stream.

The army is what, 40,000 men? And we were hiring veterans for a 10g/six month part-time job, as spymaster, and were assured by the GM that it was reasonable at the time. Julia was maintaining a townhouse for us with several staff at comparable rates, but let's assume she was paying her people well and the veterans were making twice as much as a full-time soldier just to be generous here, and further that they're paying for their own equipment, clothing, food, and ammunition out of their own pay, meaning that we can say each of the 40,000 men in the Army of Stirland are being paid 10g/year.

These assumptions almost certainly make the army appear much cheaper than it is, but even so, that's 400,000g. How much of that money comes from trade taxes and tariffs as compared to property taxes, poll taxes, taxes on the nobility, and so forth? Difficult to say. But given the scale of the funds being worked with here I'd say that it's a pretty sure bet that Mathilde, entitled to 36% of the profits from an economic juggernaut whose scale can almost certainly be reasonably measured by the standard "what fraction of the army's maintenance cost does it make in profits", will be making thousands of gold annually. If the EIC is making 1% of the army's maintenance cost Mathilde would still be making over a thousand a year.

That debt will be gone within a handful of turns at most and then we'll be making as much as we did from Asarnil's book every six months. We're going to have to get this sorted with the Colleges and we will not be able to continue owning this much personally without going into some kind of special arrangement regarding it, which will probably require either us or someone else from the College to be actively overseeing this money and making sure it is directly and unquestionably poured into projects which are in the interest of the Empire.
 
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[X] Marry them...
- [X] Reinhild Gerber

Yay for guns! He needs to marry someone, so it should definitely be the plucky redhead who promises controlled explosions!

[X] Marry me...
- [X] Soon.

I'm very undecided here, but I wanted to push for Reinhild over the other two choices anyway. This should neatly negate my vote, while pushing for a wedding now and not later. A long-distance slightly awkward relationship maintained through Gyrocopter sounds like it will take the quest to interesting places that I could enjoy reading about!
We'd either have to pay gold or Dwarf Favor, but whatever. Worth it if we do marry him. Far better than forgetting him and leaving him in the background!

[X] Steward

Clearly the best role. Being a Spymistress was great fun - let's get back to that! Set up some delegation, do some institution-building, and then we'll have an excellent level of influence while still being able to do magical research or assassinate greenskin leaders at need!
 
das_slash said:
Please don't throw Anton to the wolves, we are his best chance of being happy, just wait until we have the K8P (we can choose the less likely to kill us options), he deserves happiness.
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Are you saying that Anton can't get whoever he wants on his own?

He has already roped in a dragon, a True Love Interest is child's play compared to that!
 
Omegahugger said:
Are you saying that Anton can't get whoever he wants on his own?

He has already roped in a dragon, a True Love Interest is child's play compared to that!
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...are you suggesting he should marry Asarnil? Because if that's an option, I'm all for supporting it.
 
DarkLight140 said:
That debt will be gone within a handful of turns at most and then we'll be making as much as we did from Asarnil's book every six months. We're going to have to get this sorted with the Colleges and we will not be able to continue owning this much personally without going into some kind of special arrangement regarding it, which will probably require either us or someone else from the College to be actively overseeing this money and making sure it is directly and unquestionably poured into projects which are in the interest of the Empire.
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I don't mind it. We already own...a lot of money.
 
DarkLight140 said:
Yeah, this... honestly, Roswita is a failure as an Elector Countess for this alone. She needs those taxation rights to stay in charge because she won't be able to pay the army if she lacks an income stream.

The army is what, 40,000 men? And we were hiring veterans for a 10g/six month part-time job, as spymaster, and were assured by the GM that it was reasonable at the time. Julia was maintaining a townhouse for us with several staff at comparable rates, but let's assume she was paying her people well and the veterans were making twice as much as a full-time soldier just to be generous here, and further that they're paying for their own equipment, clothing, food, and ammunition out of their own pay, meaning that we can say each of the 40,000 men in the Army of Stirland are being paid 10g/year.

These assumptions almost certainly make the army appear much cheaper than it is, but even so, that's 400,000g. How much of that money comes from trade taxes and tariffs as compared to property taxes, poll taxes, taxes on the nobility, and so forth? Difficult to say. But given the scale of the funds being worked with here I'd say that it's a pretty sure bet that Mathilde, entitled to 36% of the profits from an economic juggernaut whose scale can almost certainly be reasonably measured by the standard "what fraction of the army's maintenance cost does it make in profits", will be making thousands of gold annually. If the EIC is making 1% of the army's maintenance cost Mathilde would still be making over a thousand a year.

That debt will be gone within a handful of turns at most and then we'll be making as much as we did from Asarnil's book every six months. We're going to have to get this sorted with the Colleges and we will not be able to continue owning this much personally without going into some kind of special arrangement regarding it, which will probably require either us or someone else from the College to be actively overseeing this money and making sure it is directly and unquestionably poured into projects which are in the interest of the Empire.
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what did roswita do I got destacted by other things
 
thefoolswriter said:
what did roswita do I got destacted by other things
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Sold the right to collect certain taxes, I believe. In the short term it's a profit for her, but over time she could have earned a lot more from collecting the taxes herself- and it would have been as a continual stream, rather than a single lump sum that is easily squandered on one or two mega projects.
 
DarkLight140 said:
Yeah, this... honestly, Roswita is a failure as an Elector Countess for this alone. She needs those taxation rights to stay in charge because she won't be able to pay the army if she lacks an income stream.

The army is what, 40,000 men? And we were hiring veterans for a 10g/six month part-time job, as spymaster, and were assured by the GM that it was reasonable at the time. Julia was maintaining a townhouse for us with several staff at comparable rates, but let's assume she was paying her people well and the veterans were making twice as much as a full-time soldier just to be generous here, and further that they're paying for their own equipment, clothing, food, and ammunition out of their own pay, meaning that we can say each of the 40,000 men in the Army of Stirland are being paid 10g/year.

These assumptions almost certainly make the army appear much cheaper than it is, but even so, that's 400,000g. How much of that money comes from trade taxes and tariffs as compared to property taxes, poll taxes, taxes on the nobility, and so forth? Difficult to say. But given the scale of the funds being worked with here I'd say that it's a pretty sure bet that Mathilde, entitled to 36% of the profits from an economic juggernaut whose scale can almost certainly be reasonably measured by the standard "what fraction of the army's maintenance cost does it make in profits", will be making thousands of gold annually. If the EIC is making 1% of the army's maintenance cost Mathilde would still be making over a thousand a year.

That debt will be gone within a handful of turns at most and then we'll be making as much as we did from Asarnil's book every six months. We're going to have to get this sorted with the Colleges and we will not be able to continue owning this much personally without going into some kind of special arrangement regarding it, which will probably require either us or someone else from the College to be actively overseeing this money and making sure it is directly and unquestionably poured into projects which are in the interest of the Empire.
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To be fair to Roswita, it was explicitly said that her Steward was the one selling her taxation rights. Roswita was only directly credited with selling real estate relatively cheaply. And that's only because she doesn't know demand is about to sky-rocket.

That said, if she doesn't at least fire that idiot when she gets back from campaigning I will be feeling far less charitable.
 
thefoolswriter said:
what did roswita do I got destacted by other things
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She's been doing very well at her Martial endeavors, but she's been failing hilariously at Stewardship. Basically she's sacrificing long-term income for her war. She sold people the right to collect taxes and pocket them, and she's sold off her shares of the EIC. This means that when the money she got from that runs out she runs into problems getting more. Additionally, she's spending massively on arming her army with guns, losing a massive portion of her army in the process.
 
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DarkLight140 said:
Yeah, this... honestly, Roswita is a failure as an Elector Countess for this alone. She needs those taxation rights to stay in charge because she won't be able to pay the army if she lacks an income stream.

The army is what, 40,000 men? And we were hiring veterans for a 10g/six month part-time job, as spymaster, and were assured by the GM that it was reasonable at the time. Julia was maintaining a townhouse for us with several staff at comparable rates, but let's assume she was paying her people well and the veterans were making twice as much as a full-time soldier just to be generous here, and further that they're paying for their own equipment, clothing, food, and ammunition out of their own pay, meaning that we can say each of the 40,000 men in the Army of Stirland are being paid 10g/year.

These assumptions almost certainly make the army appear much cheaper than it is, but even so, that's 400,000g. How much of that money comes from trade taxes and tariffs as compared to property taxes, poll taxes, taxes on the nobility, and so forth? Difficult to say. But given the scale of the funds being worked with here I'd say that it's a pretty sure bet that Mathilde, entitled to 36% of the profits from an economic juggernaut whose scale can almost certainly be reasonably measured by the standard "what fraction of the army's maintenance cost does it make in profits", will be making thousands of gold annually. If the EIC is making 1% of the army's maintenance cost Mathilde would still be making over a thousand a year.

That debt will be gone within a handful of turns at most and then we'll be making as much as we did from Asarnil's book every six months. We're going to have to get this sorted with the Colleges and we will not be able to continue owning this much personally without going into some kind of special arrangement regarding it, which will probably require either us or someone else from the College to be actively overseeing this money and making sure it is directly and unquestionably poured into projects which are in the interest of the Empire.
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I'd normally just be like 'Here you go Grey College, thousands of gold for you. Give me some Favor and we'll call it square.'

But it needs to be reinvested into Stirland somehow, or the province is fucked alongside Roswita.
 
NSMS said:
Sold the right to collect certain taxes, I believe. In the short term it's a profit for her, but over time she could have earned a lot more from collecting the taxes herself- and it would have been as a continual stream, rather than a single lump sum that is easily squandered on one or two mega projects.
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It's worse than that, the right to collect taxes is what defines a government, every tax that is not paid to the Elector Count makes the people paying them wonder a little more if the Elector count is not really the one in charge. She eroded the legitimacy of her office in adition to future profits.
 
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