Mopman43
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How long does it take MMM to apply, though?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I think the Dragonflask works quickly enough that he won't have time to feel pain.
Somic
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We're using this turn's AP that would've gone to the tributaries.
Mopman43
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On tabletop all generic vampires have the option of Ulgu and Shyish in addition to Necromancy.
TaliesinSkye
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I was thinking it might not look like a wizard's spell to an expert examiner, but perhaps grey magic is fine for a vampire assassin.
Sinsystems
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Vampires can use anything but Life. Outside of the Necrarchs, most Vampires stick to Death and Shadow.
Yes.
NexusEye
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The only way to make Ulgu Tongs work with anything other than Ulgu is to use Dhar and that would violate the Articles.
Mopman43
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While using Dhar would technically be advantageous here, I still don't want to.
Ulgu is fine, Lahmians would use Ulgu.
So this is the thesis:
Cons: Needs further evidence of why it could only have done by magic, thought if the guards patrols are good enough that might not be too big an issue.
Skywalk, more importantly, evidence of someone flying and using the window could be extremely helpful in selling this while maintaining that edge of looking like a Lamhain concealing their own involvement.
@Boney Would combining a variation on Nighttime visit like this work as a write in?
[] Draculina's Nighttime Visit
-[] If suitable for infiltration, utilise Skywalk or, after target is dead, deliberately create evidence trails that point to something infiltrating via flight. If undetected, during exfiltration, find a suitable witness or number of witnesses and have them see a very attractive but generic woman wandering the palace (either via illusion or combining doppelganger and mutable visage). If additional evidence of magical infiltration is required consider using magical lock to leave behind one or more doors that cannot be opened by mundane means in suitably 'subtle' places. Alternatively, consider using stealing an additional uniform or uniforms and casting magical lock the wardrobe containing the remaining uniforms.
Not entirely sure if using magical lock is too identifiable as Ulgu or not, but it seems likely Vampires might have similar spells (or access to Ulgu spells).
In order:
Cons: Needs further evidence of why it could only have done by magic, thought if the guards patrols are good enough that might not be too big an issue.
Skywalk, more importantly, evidence of someone flying and using the window could be extremely helpful in selling this while maintaining that edge of looking like a Lamhain concealing their own involvement.
Cons: This is loud and more importantly fails the test of looking like a Lamhain trying to cover their tracks. Making things clear that it wasn't mundane easily isn't what we want. Ideally we want the fact that this required something supernatural to need at least some investigation (though obviously not so much that it can be overlooked.
Not sure how we'd do the charade of Vampire trying to make it look mundane here but it has some promise.
I'm quite fond of the idea of making it look like only someone who could fly (or climb sheer walls) could have got him. It's a good staple of vampire stories.
@Boney Would combining a variation on Nighttime visit like this work as a write in?
[] Draculina's Nighttime Visit
-[] If suitable for infiltration, utilise Skywalk or, after target is dead, deliberately create evidence trails that point to something infiltrating via flight. If undetected, during exfiltration, find a suitable witness or number of witnesses and have them see a very attractive but generic woman wandering the palace (either via illusion or combining doppelganger and mutable visage). If additional evidence of magical infiltration is required consider using magical lock to leave behind one or more doors that cannot be opened by mundane means in suitably 'subtle' places. Alternatively, consider using stealing an additional uniform or uniforms and casting magical lock the wardrobe containing the remaining uniforms.
Not entirely sure if using magical lock is too identifiable as Ulgu or not, but it seems likely Vampires might have similar spells (or access to Ulgu spells).
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... how exactly quick, is the matrix.
I've always thought it was quite long to set up.
Parabola
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I think... we go with Nighttime Visit, but make it unnaturally clean. So clean, that you can't help but be suspicious. Then, upon closer inspection, an observer would notice it's a supernatural death (asphyxiated without the person in question leaving signs of struggling for air). That or Spectacle (Mockery of Death -> Shadow Knives Matrix).
Minutes, I'm pretty sure. But that's not a problem because we can always just Mockery of Death him before doing it.
An hour. The Matrix's entry in the character sheet says an hour.
It wouldn't be hard (just crush Winds into Dhar), and would violate the articles, but a Lahmian probably wouldn't leave many traces of Dhar in the first place, so we don't need to cross that line.
An hour. The Matrix's entry in the character sheet says an hour.
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Sinsystems
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Then I think we should go with this plan, since it will look like someone is trying to be sneaky with it but should leave residue that could be found with some further examination.
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Any standard Ulgu spell should work.
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Shadow Knife matrix does have some appeal, though I would also like to propose a basic "sneak in, Sleep/Mindhole guards, shadow knife stab" plan, with the hope that the Tzars guards would not in fact assume they just happened to fall asleep on duty just as the Tzar was murdered
Remember that the ideal is 'it looks like vampires trying not to look like vampires'. Draining blood is obviously vampires even *without* the puncture wounds.
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I'd like to advise against being too blatant with the planted evidence that it's a Lahmian. In particular, I'm not convinced that we could successfully make a pair of incisions and drain his blood in a way that would be convincing to people in the know when they examine the corpse, and I have to assume that the Tsarevich Pavel Society will be getting involved.
Blatant use of Ulgu on some of the guards is fine, shattering a window and leaving an illusion of a bat is fine, but I don't think we can do a realistic exsanguination.
Blatant use of Ulgu on some of the guards is fine, shattering a window and leaving an illusion of a bat is fine, but I don't think we can do a realistic exsanguination.
..... This feels dirty. I will not take part in this assassination.
I did not vote against but now I wish I did.
I swear. I don't know why I feel this disgust. I usually love stealth assassination games.
Maybe I subconsciously fear this will cause Kislev to implode instead of stabilize.
I did not vote against but now I wish I did.
I swear. I don't know why I feel this disgust. I usually love stealth assassination games.
Maybe I subconsciously fear this will cause Kislev to implode instead of stabilize.
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xamaplak
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So MMM + Shadow Knives means we can put it on him when he's asleep and trigger it when he's feasting or hunting? I'd vote for that. Otherwise just killing him in the night makes the most sense to me.
Or we could use MMM + Mockery of Death and trigger it mid-hunt, the issue would be ensuring he actually dies... Hm, I get why Regimand recruited an Amethyst.
Or we could use MMM + Mockery of Death and trigger it mid-hunt, the issue would be ensuring he actually dies... Hm, I get why Regimand recruited an Amethyst.
It would not be hard, all it'd require is creating Dhar.
...so yes it'd very much violate the articles.
Reposting my proposed write-in since it got messed up and swallowed by a quote box the first time and while I've fixed it I'm not sure if @'s work when edited.
@Boney Would combining a variation on Nighttime visit like this work as a write in? Please ignore this if the first @ worked.
[] Draculina's Nighttime Visit
-[] If suitable for infiltration, utilise Skywalk or, after target is dead, deliberately create evidence trails that point to something infiltrating via flight. If undetected, during exfiltration, find a suitable witness or number of witnesses and have them see a very attractive but generic woman wandering the palace (either via illusion or combining doppelganger and mutable visage). If additional evidence of magical infiltration is required consider using magical lock to leave behind one or more doors that cannot be opened by mundane means in suitably 'subtle' places. Alternatively, consider using stealing an additional uniform or uniforms and casting magical lock the wardrobe containing the remaining uniforms.
@Boney Would combining a variation on Nighttime visit like this work as a write in? Please ignore this if the first @ worked.
[] Draculina's Nighttime Visit
-[] If suitable for infiltration, utilise Skywalk or, after target is dead, deliberately create evidence trails that point to something infiltrating via flight. If undetected, during exfiltration, find a suitable witness or number of witnesses and have them see a very attractive but generic woman wandering the palace (either via illusion or combining doppelganger and mutable visage). If additional evidence of magical infiltration is required consider using magical lock to leave behind one or more doors that cannot be opened by mundane means in suitably 'subtle' places. Alternatively, consider using stealing an additional uniform or uniforms and casting magical lock the wardrobe containing the remaining uniforms.
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[Q] Roll on up to the Amethest College and ask Elspeth if she's feeling up for a day trip.
I'd say the Hunting Incident would be better from that perspective. Being out in the sticks means that we'll have tons of escape vectors. Ulgu should allow us to escape, and a dirty Ulgu-assisted escape would be good for blaming the Lahmians so long as we aren't specifically identified.
Again, not sure if autopsies are an accepted thing in Warhammer. Boris might not be able to order one without raising eyebrows, especially if we do our job too well.