Tasoli
Life is for Living
- Location
- Behind the Keyboard.
I was sure Necromancy faction was dead. But they seem to have came back somehow.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
Yeah, or not even a pillow. Just a small air-impermeable fabric of some sort. Better not to move any pillows. An accident kill like this is now very, very practical and viable. In a perfect world, he'd have some kinda sickness though. I still kinda want to go with the poison cause I want to hang out with Panoramia though.
Throttling, well, throttles. This has clear signs. A person dying from not enough air flow, but no resistance? That seems to be natural causes of some unknown nature.
Also, for the list of kill methods, there was the Skaven kill. Much easier and a better idea than Chaos cultist kill, IMO.
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I don't like it, because it means Boris has to focus attention on conflict with the Skaven, rather than preparing Kiselv.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
There's a decent chance throttling actually leaves marks, as it's physically strangling someone with shadows.
I'm partial to the "Mockery of death in the bath" idea mentioned earlier.
It's a death that provides it's own logical explaination, leaves minimal signs of outside interference and can be accomplished in a relatively private setting.
The only caveat is wether he actually bathes in anything large enough to drown in it.
It's a death that provides it's own logical explaination, leaves minimal signs of outside interference and can be accomplished in a relatively private setting.
The only caveat is wether he actually bathes in anything large enough to drown in it.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Yeah, the throttling spell specifically goes in the general 'we can kill Boris by staring at him funny' pile of methods.
His chances of survival against Grey Lord Assassination, barring mystical intervention, are dismal, but most of the tricks in that pile tend not to meet the "deniable" or "undefiled" secondary objectives.
The Invisible Stalker method of slaying him sounds trivial, but it does have the hidden prerequisite of being one of the maybe one hundred people in the world capable of simultaneous (battle magic) teleportation and invisibility, while also not being one of those hundred people who'd resolve the issue by collapsing his whole bedroom into a gigantic interdimensional sink grinder and calling it a night.
It takes some truly tremendous skill to make our ability to kill people sound so effortless.
His chances of survival against Grey Lord Assassination, barring mystical intervention, are dismal, but most of the tricks in that pile tend not to meet the "deniable" or "undefiled" secondary objectives.
The Invisible Stalker method of slaying him sounds trivial, but it does have the hidden prerequisite of being one of the maybe one hundred people in the world capable of simultaneous (battle magic) teleportation and invisibility, while also not being one of those hundred people who'd resolve the issue by collapsing his whole bedroom into a gigantic interdimensional sink grinder and calling it a night.
It takes some truly tremendous skill to make our ability to kill people sound so effortless.
- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
Kings don't tend to take baths alone. But when they sleep, they sleep with other people sleeping at most.
Codex
Fantasy Addict
- Pronouns
- She/Her
High end Battle Magic can be cast semi-reliably by people who are used to Battle Magic. Mathilde is exceptional in terms of magic, but she is an outright novice when it comes to Battle Magic. Unless you're willing to spend a bunch of AP shoring up her Battle Magic skills, you're not going to get "semi-reliable". I'm 100% for that, but I'm not gonna vote for that so I can get one singular scene of Mathilde casting a Cataclysm spell and then just stop there. I would much rather we use a skill that we've learnt more than once.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Personally for the assassination attempt I think we should go the route of a method of killing that has too many potential suspects that it is difficult for them to figure out who did it.
Like if we went invisible and shot him while he was out of the city then it would do the job. Using a normal pistol makes it incredibly difficult because it would be trivially easy for any possible assassin to get a gun.
What about the invisibility pointing to us? Well if they don't know the person who shot him was invisible then they can't know about it. Then all they have to go on was that the Tzar was shot.
Now some of you might ask, wouldn't they know it was a pistol? Well maybe but maybe not, simply because odds are very few people would be able to tell the difference between a pistol shot and a rifle shot. Plus this is before forensics so there is precious little they can do with a lead bullet to narrow it down.
Plus Boris can then use this as fodder to eliminate some enemies and spur the military reforms using the outrage.
Like if we went invisible and shot him while he was out of the city then it would do the job. Using a normal pistol makes it incredibly difficult because it would be trivially easy for any possible assassin to get a gun.
What about the invisibility pointing to us? Well if they don't know the person who shot him was invisible then they can't know about it. Then all they have to go on was that the Tzar was shot.
Now some of you might ask, wouldn't they know it was a pistol? Well maybe but maybe not, simply because odds are very few people would be able to tell the difference between a pistol shot and a rifle shot. Plus this is before forensics so there is precious little they can do with a lead bullet to narrow it down.
Plus Boris can then use this as fodder to eliminate some enemies and spur the military reforms using the outrage.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
That does have the issue that Mathilde is equipped specifically with fairly advanced Dwarf pistols.
The bullets may be distinct enough for someone to point fingers at Dwarfs.
Are we good enough with pistols to shoot a named character in one shot? Or are we just going to wound him and put him on his guard while his literal guard jumps to protect him.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Shooting for no suspects is probably better than definitely letting people be suspicious about the wrong suspects.
It's just higher on the survivability onion.
It's just higher on the survivability onion.
Codex
Fantasy Addict
- Pronouns
- She/Her
If I remember correctly, Mathilde mentioned that Dwarves use aerodynamic rounds as opposed to the round pellets the Empire uses for its bullets. Or she was referring to cannonballs. It was back in the first Drakenhof campaign, so it's been a while since I read that passage.
- Location
- UK
I have always found the prevalence of vampires all over the place pretty interesting though, very different forms or no.
Gods and magic are understandably (near) universal to the human psyche. Pretty obvious why basically every culture has some or another form of these showing up (even if some gods seem indistinguishable from what other cultures may consider sorcerers). What most people today classify as dragons in ancient myths were basically 'big important monsters' with little else commonality between them.
Vampires... well they're hardly anyway near as common as those three, but 'life draining human derived and/or human appearing monster' is a bit less obvious to me? 'Life draining monster' or 'human derived and/or appearing monster' sure, but the combination of two shows up in a surprising number of very distant places. Sometimes makes me wish there were more fantasy universes where vampires were a wider description of being, where there's multiple unrelated beings that can all be described as vampire, as opposed to just different clans of the same type of being, like in Warhammer and many others. They exist, say Dresden Files and The Witcher come to mind, but more rare.
Secretly was kinda hoping the Cathay vampires were like that, completely unrelated to Nagash type vampires, though I don't believe that's the case. Still hoping there's some Jiangshi to them, they're neat.
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You're thinking of the artillery shells or 'cannonbolts' as mathilde mentally referred to them during the assault on Drakenhof Town.
One of the reasons she initially went for the dwarfen revolver is that they use the same ammunition style of powder and shot she was used to at the time rather than the specialised 'bullets' of the other options. Though she of course bought the marksdwarf pistol subsequently
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Huh. I looked around that week and couldn't find it - do you have a link?
It's even worse than that - word of boney is that battlemages aren't just more reliable at casting BM because they do it a lot, it's because they're raised from childhood with the deliberate goal of them being a battlemage, and everything about how they're raised is bent towards that end.
There is nothing Mathilde can do to become as inherently (ie, ignoring equipment) reliable at casting that stuff as an actual on paper battle mage. They're minmaxed for it, we're not.
Fighting Vladimir head on seems like a good way to fail our assassination and very risky in general. He's been rushing from fight to fight for decades and is probably a monster in combat.
I'm somewhat confident we could defeat him if we ambush him and use Branalhune and our magic. However, any situation where we don't use our very distinctive sword style, magic and/or the element of surprise, things might get touchy.
To me, the real question in that case is just how dangerous is the Tzar. Heroes in the setting get pretty ridiculous and the Tzar seems pretty badass from a martial perspective.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
We have no real idea how skilled he is in combat.
He always goes for a fight, but he might be more of a commander than a fighter in terms of how things turn out.
QuietlyObserving
The Railgun That Walks Like a Bear
- Location
- Here.
I'm of the opinion that the best options are, in order of preference
a) Die on a hunt to his prey (PR-friendly death, if it worked for Bobby B it can work here)
b) Die peacefully in his sleep (Not unreasonable, less trauma for Boris?)
c) Frame Chaos/Skaven/a Boyar that Boris wants to go after (might have unintended reactions from those not in the know)
d) Vanishing/Poison/Normal murder (Way too many questions and suspicion)
On a different note, I wonder what Boris!Quest looks like, that this was the option they chose?
- Location
- Canada
I don't think there should be any real worry about them identifying our bullets in any case
For one thing bullets tend to deform and shatter then they hit bone, or pass through their targets and impact whatever hard surface is behind them
And for another forensics are a pretty limited field in this equivalent era and the chances anyone's going to dig around for small bits of metal on the suspicion that they'll be distinctive is pretty small
Sure Mathilde bothered to collect the bullets when we investigated the river bombing, but she's not typical
I'm more concerned with the fact that just shooting him means writing off all possibility of making his death look natural
Also the noise, guns aren't known for being quiet so we'd probably be exfiltrating in a hurry depending on circumstances
He was asked if we could get the specialized training that Battle Wizards did and the answer was no
He did not say that Mathilde could never pick up any traits for casting Battlemagic, it's just that she can't pick up those traits by studying in the classroom
For one thing bullets tend to deform and shatter then they hit bone, or pass through their targets and impact whatever hard surface is behind them
And for another forensics are a pretty limited field in this equivalent era and the chances anyone's going to dig around for small bits of metal on the suspicion that they'll be distinctive is pretty small
Sure Mathilde bothered to collect the bullets when we investigated the river bombing, but she's not typical
I'm more concerned with the fact that just shooting him means writing off all possibility of making his death look natural
Also the noise, guns aren't known for being quiet so we'd probably be exfiltrating in a hurry depending on circumstances
Boney didn't say that
He was asked if we could get the specialized training that Battle Wizards did and the answer was no
He did not say that Mathilde could never pick up any traits for casting Battlemagic, it's just that she can't pick up those traits by studying in the classroom
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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
I've done several rereads of the beginning of the quest, and have contemplated writing up a similar sort of post as you did for Loremaster, in order to help create a better timeline for overviewing things, but held off because I probably couldn't make it as useful and clear, as well as the issue of it being split between multiple posters making it harder to ensure continuity of editing and writing style.
- Location
- Earth
I'm imagining a series of bad diplo rolls to convince Vladimir to take Chaos seriously/do reforms/give Boris more leeway to do reforms on his own, with a preexisting set of maluses for Vladimir's general attitude and additional accumulating penalties for each previous failed attempt. Try long enough, and it doesn't matter if the PC is diplo-god themself when the penalty is all the way up to -70 or -100.
Add to that the fact that players know they're on a time crunch and keep getting forced to waste AP faffing around or on minor improvements, with all the good stuff locked behind getting Vladimir on board, and the thread eventually got desperate enough to seriously follow through on that one guy's seemingly crazy idea that started looking disturbingly plausible.
Then again, we have Illusion. Perhaps we could use that as a silencing effect?
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I mean, if you're suggesting that there's a prospect for Mathilde to go back to being a young age so that she too can be moulded into a being whose sole purpose is to cast these spells, I guess there's a way?
Ways to reproduce the effects of the above tend not to... exist. That much. I'm not saying there's no way we can pick up one or two traits, never was, but what boney described was pretty extreme, so it seems rather implausible that there are practical alternatives for getting to the same level as they are.
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
OK, sounds like there's demand for it, even if it's not demand for the thing I was doing with the original version of the summary. I'm going to reread the Stirland portion of the quest to refresh my memory and then start working on it.
- Location
- UK
Why go to Slaanesh when the Changling could instead impersonate Boris asking for an assassination.