Remove ads

Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Reader mode
DragonParadox said:
I do not think 'culturally expected' is something the likes of Starke is likely to give a damn about, the man found and made use of that one time we tried to convert a bunch of guards to Ranald, i.e. the god who is most popular in the Grey College, if anything that would be a lot more culturally acceptable than outright embezzlement.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
You're entirely mischaracterizing Starke's interest in our activity with the Watch. He wasn't the one to dig up that incident, it was either the Lights or the Jades checking up on us after we recruited their people. Starke's entire interest lay in getting a first-hand explanation so he can better rebuff any other attempts to cast aspersions on our actions. He took pains to make it clear to us that it wasn't an issue and he as Porter wasn't interested in relitigating the matter, merely wanting a better understanding of the situation in case it ever comes up again, to help protect our reputation. Our internal debate about what to tell him (represented by the vote) was purely down to our own embarrassment about the whole thing.
 
I really believe that Starke is on our side. He's got a track record, a deep look into anything potentially shady in our background, and a whole bunch of people vouching for us to drive it, so I do expect him to protect us to the best of his ability.

It's not his fault that we aren't on his side.
 
I'll admit, the paranoid part of me finds the timing of the watched thread image change is suspicious.

Boney just closed to vote in preparation for writing, we're currently (potentially) in the Grey College working on a new spell invoking Mathilde's own legend, and we also have the Liminal Realm coming up this turn. Part of me wonders if all that is either very good, or very bad.

Valarauko said:
You're entirely mischaracterizing Starke's interest in our activity with the Watch. He wasn't the one to dig up that incident, it was either the Lights or the Jades checking up on us after we recruited their people. Starke's entire interest lay in getting a first-hand explanation so he can better rebuff any other attempts to cast aspersions on our actions. He took pains to make it clear to us that it wasn't an issue and he as Porter wasn't interested in relitigating the matter, merely wanting a better understanding of the situation in case it ever comes up again, to help protect our reputation. Our internal debate about what to tell him (represented by the vote) was purely down to our own embarrassment about the whole thing.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Hunh, by the timing, that Q&A session occurred in 2487.5. Meanwhile Trouble In Talabheim was 2488, and we knew that before settling on the Chaos Ritual Alric was poking around Stirland for Great Deeds to perform. Decent odds it was him who provoked that investigation.

Probably been noted before, but worth repeating.
 
The Phoenixian said:
Hunh, by the timing, that Q&A session occurred in 2487.5. Meanwhile Trouble In Talabheim was 2488, and we knew that before settling on the Chaos Ritual Alric was poking around Stirland for Great Deeds to perform. Decent odds it was him who provoked that investigation.

Probably been noted before, but worth repeating.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
...It's very possible. Elrisse is the suspect a lot of people jumped to, but Alric would have been in position to sniff around regarding anything interesting in Stirland around the time Abelhelm and Hexensohn died.

We'll probably never know whether this was actually the case, but if it was him, lol, lmao. I'd see upstaging him as appropriate payback by giving the credit to the Longshanks.
 
Last edited:
Has Boney ever said if he rolled for the reward for giving the Druchii prisoner to the ambassador and we got an invitation to Nagarythe (or at least rolled for which Kingdom), or if it was a specific adventure hook he thought of?
 
LawsOfRobotics said:
Has Boney ever said if he rolled for the reward for giving the Druchii prisoner to the ambassador and we got an invitation to Nagarythe (or at least rolled for which Kingdom), or if it was a specific adventure hook he thought of?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
IIRC he did say he rolled for which Kingdom was heading the embassy at the time, and it just happened to be Nagarythe.

Edit: Found it.
Boney said:
"I guess I'll just roll a d10 to see where the current Ulthuani Ambassador is from..."

9. Nagarythe.

This is the unluckiest elf to ever elf.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
 
Last edited:
While on the topic of matters of international cooperation, here's the saddest thing I've read in WFRP 4e.

The Imperial Zoo, page 127:
Lynathryn has been a scout and hunter for the Eonir of Laurelorn for centuries. They fought in the Great War Against Chaos a mere two hundred years ago, serving as a scout on the very edges of the enemy lines and often beyond. The experience changed Lynathryn forever. While it was doublessly horrific, the war brought together a diverse alliance of Elves, Humans, and even Dwarfs, all in defiance of a common foe. This has left Lynathryn with an unusually plesant attitude toward non-elves, even this sometimes comes off as condescension. It was due to their experience, limited as it is, with Humans of the Empire, that the Queen has set Lynathryn forth once more to learn what they can of the current state of the world beyond their forest. For their part, Lynathryn is excited to see just what the humans of the Empire have done with the gift of peace that so many elves died to provide them with.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
 
Parabola said:
IIRC he did say he rolled for which Kingdom was heading the embassy at the time, and it just happened to be Nagarythe.

Edit: Found it.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Thanks for the citation. It lead to me re-reading part of the quest around Turn 23. There is so much good stuff just in the turn start and part 1 posts. "Mathilde and the Celestial College trying to outsmug each other", Belegar's reaction to the Burning Shadows tower idea, the results of the Boxcar meaning we get the Eye of Gazul, "SO YOU WISH TO LEARN TO PUNCH." If I had to explain to someone why I love this quest so much, the writing and story in Turn 23 would feature heavily as examples. Thank you Boney.
 
The Phoenixian said:
I'll admit, the paranoid part of me finds the timing of the watched thread image change is suspicious.

Boney just closed to vote in preparation for writing, we're currently (potentially) in the Grey College working on a new spell invoking Mathilde's own legend, and we also have the Liminal Realm coming up this turn. Part of me wonders if all that is either very good, or very bad.


Hunh, by the timing, that Q&A session occurred in 2487.5. Meanwhile Trouble In Talabheim was 2488, and we knew that before settling on the Chaos Ritual Alric was poking around Stirland for Great Deeds to perform. Decent odds it was him who provoked that investigation.

Probably been noted before, but worth repeating.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I do think Alric was brought up before, but IIRC of the Lights the most probable suspect at the time was Elrisse, given her similar position to Starke and her interaction with Mathilde during her recruitment(?) social thing. Then again, given her being in Alric's camp, it might have been both of them, with Elrisse doing it on behalf of Alric?
 
I want The Deceiver for elfcation.
Can the deceiver be used in combat? I'm thinking using ye ol point behind them and say 'watch out, it's a dragon/assassin/rainbow/unicorn', then rob them and run away.

Even if it can't though, strategicly and tactically lying to druchii seems more important than assuring we get credit. Nagarythe are already going to recognize what we do, because it is with them and against druchii. Who would the protector be for? I see it useful for saving slaves and getting them to obey in a critical time, but for simple favor mining? I think that's silly. The Night Prowler or Deceiver could get us into places or situations where we could get wwwaaayyyy more favor than ensuring we wring out every drop from places we already are going to get it. I imagine us talking a druchii dreadlord into a trap, gaining immense favor with nagarythe, and possibly the trapped dreadlord's rivals at the same time would get more favor than just acting like another ulgu fighter.

I want Deceiver for ulthuan negotiation too, just in case they are unreasonable and extortionist.

Tldr: Deceiver may get us more favor than Protector for elfcation and synergize with ulthuan negotiation.
 
Last edited:
WorldSlayer said:
I don't believe the idea is either to make major trade deals with Naggaroth or to get one over any of the druchii. It's closer to spy games and political pressure with the druchii scoring minor wins in exchange for the Empire getting major wins.

From what I understand there are two different goals we currently want/are being offered.

The first is getting waystone codes.

The problem with trying to get these codes is that Ulthuan are unlikely to give these codes to us and are unlikely to even consider granting us the codes. The only other group that we suspect has the codes is the Naggarothi though and they absolutely hate Ulthuan and will go out of their way to screw them (which is good for us in this negotiation).

So we go to Ulthuan and say: Hey can we have these codes we have money.
We expect Ulthuan to reply: No.

So we go over to Naggaroth reps and ask them for the codes and find out what they want for them.

Then we go to Ulthuan and all of a sudden Ulthuan finds out not only can we get the codes, we might even be paying Naggaroth for them. So they can come to the table or let the Empire make a deal with Naggaroth.

We go back and forth between them and then hopefully get the codes, preferably from Ulthuan.

The Empire wins by getting the codes.
Naggaroth wins by pissing off Ulthuan.
Ulthuan hopefully doesn't lose by going ahead and making a deal with the Empire.


The second is playing factions of druchii against each other.

We were given this offer way earlier but basically faction 1 will gives us intel on faction 2 so they screw over a rival. We're not getting one over on them, and arguably the Empire is being used as a tool to enrich a bunch of evil assholes. However, it prevents raids so it's a win for the Empire too. The only losers are some druchii pirates we don't care about.


There's a third offer for spells and stuff that I feel obligated to include.

There's also a third offer for giving us magic knowledge that's on the table. I don't think I've seen the thread care much about this though and I'm personally not too enthused. I guess if we can get it really cheap (a new spell for a book on spider biology?) it's worth it as long as it doesn't require to go out of the way (spend AP) but probably not something we'll actually spend effort on.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

All of those come under the heading of "Getting one over" to me.

The idea they would just give those away, without needing something that compromised mathildes morals massively is very optimistic.

And then there's hoping Ulthuan wouldn't just realize we were just trying to force them to one to the table, or that if they don't it wouldn't actually make them want to help them less.

"These humans are willing to work with the Druchii obviously they can never be trusted with such information."
 
If we do the Iron Orcs thing, we should do it on the same turn we do part (or all) of the Elfcation.

That way we can run Protector on both, and Ranald can run wild with whatever tales he wants to spread to everyone about our heroic sword-swinging road trip.

Show up, help Carcassonne, shake hands, leave for Ulthuan without further explanation.

Then we can do a Father turn at a later date, and Bretonnia negotiations and Kislev actions can be stuck together for optimal AP or whatever.
 
Pretty nice roll, pretty nice indeed.

MooseHowl said:
That way we can run Protector on both, and Ranald can run wild with whatever tales he wants to spread to everyone about our heroic sword-swinging road trip.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I'm skeptical most Iron Orc scenarios would actually proc the protector. The help provided would generally be too indirect. As an example that I think is even more direct but still wouldn't proc it. IIRC on the Dum expedition, blocking the daemons from hitting the Kislev villages wouldn't trigger it.
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top