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And what you're missing is that this is too damn close to mutation - it is no fucking accident that all of the spells Empire Wizards use steer well damn clear of permanent physical changes to the bodies of others' bar healing, because the one thing every person in the Empire fears more than death is mutation. This is nothing less than a culture-wide trauma trigger, as there is not a single person in this entire nation who didn't grow up fearing the touch of Morrslieb. Who did not desperately pray to be spared the Chaos God's getting a grip on their bodies. Who did not take part in the ostracisation and exile-if-not-communal-murder of a mutant. Literally no amount of tactical usefulness is worth even going near that red button.

I think you are way, way overthinking this. It is going to look like silver liquid that turns red when it touches flesh scouring said flesh off the target in part on in whole. Mutation do not just alter the consistency of flesh, that is an incidental quality of some Chaos Spawn. Mutations make mutants, living ones.
 
Mulched? I see it more as everything turns to liquid wax. One second it's a human with a spear, the next it's a drooping wreck of warped flesh seemingly mutated until it died.

This is an Altar. It's going to be used around armies. Aka, armed commonborn men and heavily armed and armoured knights who may or may not be Sigmarite zealots. There is so much that could go wrong with the flesh-melty-beam it's not funny.
Enough Bright Magic also causes people to melt, but nobody is trying to forbid fireballs.
 
You know, I'd expected "Mathilde gets randomly approached" to include stuff like "someone from the College asks you do to X because you're on the other side of the favor economy now", but this has just never happened.
Is that because we're the protagonist and Boney doesn't want to write that ? Because we're an LM (but we've hired LMs though) ? Because we're never in Altdorf ?
 
And what you're missing is that this is too damn close to mutation - it is no fucking accident that all of the spells Empire Wizards use steer well damn clear of permanent physical changes to the bodies of others' bar healing, because the one thing every person in the Empire fears more than death is mutation. This is nothing less than a culture-wide trauma trigger, as there is not a single person in this entire nation who didn't grow up fearing the touch of Morrslieb. Who did not desperately pray to be spared the Chaos God's getting a grip on their bodies. Who did not take part in the ostracisation and exile-if-not-communal-murder of a mutant. Literally no amount of tactical usefulness is worth even going near that red button.

...doooooo they, though? Do they really?

I am looking pointedly at Johann here. Y'know, the dude whose concern about Gilding his entire head - the part he can't possibly reasonably conceal that on - is not "people are going to murder me for being a horrible mutant monstrosity" but rather "people are going to try and cut me up because I'm made of fucking gold and they could melt my body down and sell me for a lot."

(Well that and "If I muck THIS one up I just die.")
 
And the Gold college look to think it's effective enough compared to their other options that its worth the opportunity cost to develop and field this despite any possible backlash, though I imagine the visceral horror of seeing it in use would mean that it would mostly be deployed against orcs, beastmen, or human chaos armies that have a largen number of visible deamons/chaos-mutated people.
I wouldn't exactly trust the folks whose magic usually ends up purging emotions, personal ties, etc to gauge the emotional reactions of baseline humans.
... If the in universe people do not see the problem and Mathilde does not see the problem... Then there really is no problem.
The characters in the quest aren't stupid and Mathilde even less so...
I was bringing up to Boney that Mathilde reacting as she has makes no sense within the setting. This argument where you all dove in is a tangent.
 
You know, I'd expected "Mathilde gets randomly approached" to include stuff like "someone from the College asks you do to X because you're on the other side of the favor economy now", but this has just never happened.
Is that because we're the protagonist and Boney doesn't want to write that ? Because we're an LM (but we've hired LMs though) ? Because we're never in Altdorf ?
It has happened.

We once got asked to give the Waaaghbane lecture.
 
...doooooo they, though? Do they really?

I am looking pointedly at Johann here. Y'know, the dude whose concern about Gilding his entire head - the part he can't possibly reasonably conceal that on - is not "people are going to murder me for being a horrible mutant monstrosity" but rather "people are going to try and cut me up because I'm made of fucking gold and they could melt my body down and sell me for a lot."
Has it not been brought up in-quest repeatedly the fear people have for visibly changed Wizards? And luckily those changes stay the fuck away from resembling the usual chaos ones of distorted flesh, misshapen form, etc.
 
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You know, I'd expected "Mathilde gets randomly approached" to include stuff like "someone from the College asks you do to X because you're on the other side of the favor economy now", but this has just never happened.
Is that because we're the protagonist and Boney doesn't want to write that ? Because we're an LM (but we've hired LMs though) ? Because we're never in Altdorf ?

We are never on the other side of the favor economy, people do stuff for us because our papers are so damn cool. That would only happen if we went negative on CF.

Someone could offer to hire us for 10 CF I guess but I'm not sure we would take that deal.
 
I wouldn't exactly trust the folks whose magic usually ends up purging emotions, personal ties, etc to gauge the emotional reactions of baseline humans.

Feldmann is actually noted to be quite excellent at this, which is why he's such a good dealmaker.

You know, I'd expected "Mathilde gets randomly approached" to include stuff like "someone from the College asks you do to X because you're on the other side of the favor economy now", but this has just never happened.
Is that because we're the protagonist and Boney doesn't want to write that ? Because we're an LM (but we've hired LMs though) ? Because we're never in Altdorf ?

I think not being in Altdorf short circuits that massively yeah. The other consideration is that Mathilde is both very expensive as a LM, and also constantly very busy. So the pool of people that could afford to hire her is small, and also isn't going to get forwarded to her by the college because they know she's got stuff going on.

The time that Ostermark noble came to talk to us about the EIC was a little bit like this if you squint I guess though?
 
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And what you're missing is that this is too damn close to mutation - it is no fucking accident that all of the spells Empire Wizards use steer well damn clear of permanent physical changes to the bodies of others' bar healing, because the one thing every person in the Empire fears more than death is mutation. This is nothing less than a culture-wide trauma trigger, as there is not a single person in this entire nation who didn't grow up fearing the touch of Morrslieb. Who did not desperately pray to be spared the Chaos God's getting a grip on their bodies. Who did not take part in the ostracisation and exile-if-not-communal-murder of a mutant. Literally no amount of tactical usefulness is worth even going near that red button.
I think you're seriously overestimating how big of a deal this is. If it was that bad, someone would've already commented on it in the story. also iirc there's already a gold spell that turns people into gold, called final transmutation.
 
I think you're seriously overestimating how big of a deal this is. If it was that bad, someone would've already commented on it in the story. also iirc there's already a gold spell that turns people into gold, called final transmutation.
As I said earlier, my first post was bringing up this seeming discrepancy to Boney. You lot are just dragging me off on a tangent.
 
It is going to look like silver liquid that turns red when it touches flesh scouring said flesh off the target in part on in whole.
Vanilla Law of For gives things the material properties of steel but doesn't change their appearance, unless this modified version is also modified to change the target's appearance there won't be any silver liquid, just red.
 
Something that happens entirely at random to any poor bastard that finds themselves outside when the Chaos Moon decides it's going to appear is judged to a different standard than something that's only pointed at existential threats to the Empire under the careful supervision of the Empire's Wizards. Additionally, the former happens to literally anyone, while the latter is witnessed only by professional soldiers who can be ordered by their NCOs to eyes front and leave the thinking to the officers if they start getting too skeeved out by the Wizards doing Wizard things.
 
Hmm, Panoramia's diagnosis is quite… optimistic. I hope she's right, and that the addiction really is just from a sense of control she gets in a life that's lacking in it, but if she's not, this could go pretty poorly. Not really something to agonise over though, this is Pan's task, not ours, but I do kinda wanna keep an eye out.
 
There's no mutation going on with Sylphic Wrath, what are you on about? What it does is make the victims collapse into a pile of blood and gore. Mutations are a very distinct thing.
 
There's no mutation going on with Sylphic Wrath, what are you on about? What it does is make the victims collapse into a pile of blood and gore. Mutations are a very distinct thing.

I think the concern is that is kind of looks like mutation to peasants, specifically the ones who heard lurid tales about Chaos Spawn. That said I think the GM covered it above so that should be the end of the line of questioning.
 
You know, I'd expected "Mathilde gets randomly approached" to include stuff like "someone from the College asks you do to X because you're on the other side of the favor economy now", but this has just never happened.
Is that because we're the protagonist and Boney doesn't want to write that ? Because we're an LM (but we've hired LMs though) ? Because we're never in Altdorf ?

If Mathilde wasn't doing stuff already very much in the interests of the Empire and the Colleges, that would be the mechanism I'd be using to dangle plot hooks in front of the thread.
 
Hmm, Panoramia's diagnosis is quite… optimistic. I hope she's right, and that the addiction really is just from a sense of control she gets in a life that's lacking in it, but if she's not, this could go pretty poorly. Not really something to agonise over though, this is Pan's task, not ours, but I do kinda wanna keep an eye out.
Panoramia is an optimistic person by nature. When we first met, she was a bit turned off by how blase we were talking about assassination, most likely because she saw a lot of good in Mathilde and wondered why she talked about killing like that. She then spent her time observing Mathidle from a distance and assumed the best of her, that Wolf wasn't being trained into a killer hound and therefore Mathilde's a softie, instead of assuming Mathilde was doing a double cross or whatever.

I mean, she was right about Mathilde. She really is a softie. But it is true that perspective can be taken advantage of. I personally believe she's grown enough to understand this drawback and work around it, and I have complete and utter confidence on her abilities. She may not have the "ideal apprentice", which btw I believe Eike to be (not biased at all), but Sofia seems to be aware of the consequences of losing control.
 
Doyenne Gretel Maurer of the Cessationary Princessipality, Huntsmistress of the Howling Skull Plains, Guardian of the East Trail, Cleanser of Vitrolle, and Barak Varr's silent partner in securing the road between them and Mad Dog Pass, has made herself quite at home in Vitrolle.

Well, Gretel is doing very well for herself.

Did she ever reach Magister rank in the past?

Oh, and speaking of luxuries," she says, leaning forward, "when are those spiders of yours actually going to produce something wearable?"

"TELL ME ABOUT IT!"

"Of course she's addicted to magic," she says to you. "It's the only time she's in any sort of control. This is never going to resolve itself while she has other people telling her where to live and what to do. If they'd let her go off Journeying, it probably would already have solved itself."

I suppose the question is if there's anything unrelated to magic she could get into that could grant her some agency. Hobbies or interests? Well, let's have faith in Panoramia.


…to be fair, this is entirely something we would do.
 
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Being hit by a very fast bit of metal rope already results in liquidification, no magic needed. This just just lowers the required speed. Maybe it'll be a little more splashy, but it's a matter of degree.

I also want to say that Boney's handling of the social vote was very sensible. If you can't think what the character would do, ask the thread. And if you can't think of a scene, then skip that. I like that things keep moving. Turns are pretty sizable. Like, the turn was nearly 15k, and the social part of this vote was nearly 6k. That's a short story right there. And it's not particularly long compared to the other recent ones. They're all about there, sometimes even larger (early turns were actually longer than I remember, though they don't have social votes). Back when it was writing my last quest, it took me about an hour for a thousand words, where I didn't have to do any large amount of research. So every turn is a pretty hefty investment.

As far as I'm concerned, Mathilde was captured by Panoramia for an above average amount of stress cuddling, and nobody could find them in the skull chair.

Also, can I not-vote for a Wolf interlude? Because I want that. Or spiders. Or Cython snoozing, and then taking care of his snow garden.
 
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