Easy when you get hit by this you get mulched and stop moving on account of being dead. When Tzeench magic makes contact you don't.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Easy when you get hit by this you get mulched and stop moving on account of being dead. When Tzeench magic makes contact you don't.
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Listen, magic is terrifying, it is known. Everyone with the power to Do Anything about this will likely already be aware of the actual potential for terrible things inherent in magic, and superstitious peasants will be superstitious no matter what.
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Mulched? I see it more as everything turns to liquid wax. One second it's a human with a spear, the next it's a drooping wreck of warped flesh seemingly mutated until it died.
This is an Altar. It's going to be used around armies. Aka, armed commonborn men and heavily armed and armoured knights who may or may not be Sigmarite zealots. There is so much that could go wrong with the flesh-melty-beam it's not funny.
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I think it would splatter too quickly for that. Mercury is lot runnier than heated wax (speaking from the unpleasant experience of having once broken a thermometer).
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...ok and? We can learn a spell that rips open a rift in reality that sucks everything within reach in and grounds it to a fine paste. The brights have a hundred and one ways to burn you into a fine white powder, the amber summon a flock of Crows to rip you to pieces.
Magic is dangerous, so be happy it's on your side.
And other magic the colleges cast appears to pull people into hell, or transforms them into gold. This isn't particularly groundbreaking.
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It's still recognisably meat. Warped distorted meat that was a person. The great thing about all the other magic we do, is it doesn't actively resemble the one thing Chaos is most well known for, and is most feared by the common man.
To be honest, you're not really selling me that this one particular flavor of horrible death that can be dished out is going to be the one deal breaker for the soldiers that see it out of the hundreds they deal with. If it was turning the things it hit into spawns or something sure, but it's just gore at the end of the day, it turns them liquid, then it runs out and they turn back into a slurry of meat and metal, not that different than getting hit with a cannonball.
Yeah, but it is dead, mutations leave the mutant alive, that is the point of doing it. If you explode someone hard enough that it rains giblets you will not get accused of making mutants unless the giblets are wiggling and/or speaking tongues. Same principle here.
... Ok you know what would happen with this weapon? It hits an enemy, some quicksilver goes flying, a man is missing some body and some red appears on the ground... You know what else does this? A cannonball hitting people.
You know the main weapon of the empire armies?
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It also depends on how localized the effect is - if it's a narrow radius around it, then it looks like it's cutting through them extremely effectively because that is, more or less, what it's doing. If it's melting them into puddles, then... That's not much different to a large-scale Burning Shadows, or even seeing someone mulched by Penumbral Pendulum.
Not really considering the date of publication.
As an aside I don't think Mathilde's identity as LM Grey is that much of a secret - she's got credit for a lot of the less classified Skaven papers and she's the only LM with the inclination and the opportunity to grab a throve of Skaven artefacts.
The positive side of Mathilde being so well established in K8P is that the Jades aren't going to have their Magister Vigilant pressure Sofia - some may have political beef with Panoramia but K8P is Mathilde's turf.
I think some of the other Grey LMs were involved in the anti-skaven operations that took advantage of their civil war.
We would be very cross if they started posting magister vigilants around k8p. We might even write a letter, leave it at their bedside.
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Looking it up, the sword in question was probably the Eshin Sorceror's Crystal Sword back when it was in our possession.
Given Clan Eshin's relations with Cathay, It seems likely that it might have been sourced from there. That polity has had legal magic for far, far longer than the Empire and what little we've seen is quite outside our capabilities. They might have worked Cardinality and/or a related form of conceptual resonance into their practices already.
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shrugs... I think it's fine tbh.
And the Gold college look to think it's effective enough compared to their other options that its worth the opportunity cost to develop and field this despite any possible backlash, though I imagine the visceral horror of seeing it in use would mean that it would mostly be deployed against orcs, beastmen, or human chaos armies that have a largen number of visible deamons/chaos-mutated people.
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I read it less as 'tuns person into metal puddle that reverts back into a horrific meat pile' as 'turns the portion of stuff that the whips actualy are in cotnact in/pass through into liquid metal, which reverts into a fully molecularly-randomised slurry'
So less than the entirety of a person or thing, and the bits that do become liquid don't reform into something recognisable as 'meat'.
[might not be [as] effective against ogres or other large quickly regenerating foes]
Because awe know from what Beaky the Conversational Deamon told us about Egrimm, treating a wizard with too much suspicion is a good way to get Sophia to become the next Everchosen.
And the Gold college look to think it's effective enough compared to their other options that its worth the opportunity cost to develop and field this despite any possible backlash, though I imagine the visceral horror of seeing it in use would mean that it would mostly be deployed against orcs, beastmen, or human chaos armies that have a largen number of visible deamons/chaos-mutated people.
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I read it less as 'tuns person into metal puddle that reverts back into a horrific meat pile' as 'turns the portion of stuff that the whips actualy are in cotnact in/pass through into liquid metal, which reverts into a fully molecularly-randomised slurry'
So less than the entirety of a person or thing, and the bits that do become liquid don't reform into something recognisable as 'meat'.
[might not be [as] effective against ogres or other large quickly regenerating foes]
And do those hypothetical magister vigilants want Sophia to become the next Everchosen?
Because awe know from what Beaky the Conversational Deamon told us about Egrimm, treating a wizard with too much suspicion is a good way to get Sophia to become the next Everchosen.
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I am pretty sure it would never cross the mind of any Jade to post Magister Vigilant on the trail of someone else's apprentice, that would be a crass violation of the trust implicit to the master-apprentice system and also a waste of the MV's time, those do not grow on trees.
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It's based on Law of Form, which does not transmute objects into, but rather imparts the properties of, steel. So definitely still recognizable meat.
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And what you're missing is that this is too damn close to mutation - it is no fucking accident that all of the spells Empire Wizards use steer well damn clear of permanent physical changes to the bodies of others' bar healing, because the one thing every person in the Empire fears more than death is mutation. This is nothing less than a culture-wide trauma trigger, as there is not a single person in this entire nation who didn't grow up fearing the touch of Morrslieb. Who did not desperately pray to be spared the Chaos God's getting a grip on their bodies. Who did not take part in the ostracisation and exile-if-not-communal-murder of a mutant. Literally no amount of tactical usefulness is worth even going near that red button.
It's actually even easier, it's a battle Altar. Those only get wheeled out if it's a biiiiig battle. So an ork waaagh, or a everchosen, maybe a warheard... Maybe very maybe bretonnia doing fuck fucks...
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You can really see the influence of Mathilde (and Panoramia) on Gretel.
How she is getting away with a lot of stuff the Amethysts don't normally condone by being a combination of too far away and too useful.
And the death wizard talking about pastures and sustainable grazing must have thrown even Mathilde for a loop.
How she is getting away with a lot of stuff the Amethysts don't normally condone by being a combination of too far away and too useful.
And the death wizard talking about pastures and sustainable grazing must have thrown even Mathilde for a loop.
The secrecy ratings are a spectrum, the anonymous level is more to keep from being casually identified by all and sundry, and in this case I think Feldmann was getting a bit cute as well. If it's something the authors really truly don't want associated with them, it's not published with any attributions.
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@Boney thank you for the update. I greatly enjoyed our glimpse into Gretel's life, and I'm happy she's living her best life. Her multitude of titles and achievements really does make her out to be another Mathilde, which is as expected of our favorite duckling. I've noticed she took care of the Cult of the Jade Sceptre, a Slaaneshi cult in the area mentioned in Lure of the Liche Lord. I wonder if Karitamen has actually awoken thanks to all the hustle and bustle of the area surrounding his turf, or if he's still asleep. Could be an interesting development.
In regards to Sofia, I'm happy we took a mostly hands off approach and gave her avenues to gain our support without applying any pressure either way. Her fear isn't going to suddenly disappear, but at least it's in her mind and she can pursue it at her own leisure.
I'm also happy about the progressions on the Skaven research and the different ideas the Golds have been cooking up. The Skaven won't know what hit them the next time we get into a tussle with them.
In regards to Sofia, I'm happy we took a mostly hands off approach and gave her avenues to gain our support without applying any pressure either way. Her fear isn't going to suddenly disappear, but at least it's in her mind and she can pursue it at her own leisure.
I'm also happy about the progressions on the Skaven research and the different ideas the Golds have been cooking up. The Skaven won't know what hit them the next time we get into a tussle with them.
... If the in universe people do not see the problem and Mathilde does not see the problem... Then there really is no problem.
The characters in the quest aren't stupid and Mathilde even less so...
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You must've missed Johann gilding nearly his entire body, which is essentially a controlled mutation even though politics dictates it'll never get called that.