- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
There is also this:
I would like Ranald ready to provide back-up.
Meanwhile, this is the plan for Liminal Realms:
Hence the plan name.
Last edited:
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
-
- Tags
- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Meanwhile, this is the plan for Liminal Realms:
- Location
- Australia
This sounds funky. Did Boney confirm that it's fine and sans problems?
We were told that their inexperience means they'll make more errors, so I was hoping we could send them to do something easy like the minor colleges before sending them to the grand university.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Not 'fine and sans problems', because we'd be unable to evacuate any magical energies in case something tries to make its way out, but there would be less danger in the worst-case scenario of a daemon falling out because in the middle of nowhere and far away from any population centers, it would have very few sources of energy to draw from to sustain itself.
I would prefer that too, given that the University of Nuln is the big leagues of books, but I'm skeptical of how likely such a plan is to win votes. U of Nuln is likely to take the lead.
- Location
- Earth
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Kinda. Here's what Boney said about a similar thing in the past:
So the idea is that we would do liminal realm research next turn, write the first half of the book (which contains all of AV except for anything we learn from doing the Orbs of Sorcery research), and then the turn following do the Orbs of Sorcery research and write the second half.
If the Orbs of Sorcery action doesn't turn up something revolutionary that requires revising material we've already written, then we're fine and there's zero problem. If it does (like, say, if we manage to get insight into Primordial Winds or whatever), then we take a malus on the writing roll. But I'm not too worried about that because, as we saw with Thaumomycology, if we really fuck up the writing we'll probably have a choice about whether to publish immediately or take a third action to work more on it.
I remember that, but I figured that this would just translate, mechanically, to "it takes longer," since they make more errors in copying and need to discard more materials before getting a clean copy of their work. So I'd prefer just to get started on it. Are you thinking the mechanics will work some other way?
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Can I suggest to anyone writing plans for next turn that include apparitions to put forward copies of their plan with different apparitions?
I think the thread has defaulted to Rider in Red as it was the one that was submitted last turn, but as much as it's my favoured apparition there's still supporters for various other ones and we're not going to get a subvote.
It'll clutter the vote counter a little, but I think it'd be fairer all around now that general consensus seems to be "Apparitions: yes" to get a wider input into which one we're going for.
I think the thread has defaulted to Rider in Red as it was the one that was submitted last turn, but as much as it's my favoured apparition there's still supporters for various other ones and we're not going to get a subvote.
It'll clutter the vote counter a little, but I think it'd be fairer all around now that general consensus seems to be "Apparitions: yes" to get a wider input into which one we're going for.
It's not like other people can't make variant plans if they want though? So asking people to vote for something they don't want on behalf of someone else when there is no barrier for that someone else to just do it themselves doesn't really make sense to me.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
This is being confused by having too different ideas happening at the same time.
There is a the greenskin apparitions idea which I don't really understand.
And then there is the idea of making Waaagh tributaries as a fixed defense that drains away Waaagh energy. And if we are collecting Waaagh energy then we might as well try and do something useful with it.
Last edited:
NexusEye
Aspiring God
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I think it would make more sense to just wait for writing the book or spend both a Serenity and Max dictation action to get it finished in one turn than risk a malus or having to spend extra AP to rework it. I'm fine with releasing the book after the morbs, the wait would give time for everyone to start wondering on how the hell we did it and that speculation would help add to Mathilde's mystique and make it so that when we do release the book everyone's had several months to get hyped about it.
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I think there's a sizeable crowd of the 150-200 voters who are intimidated by the idea of submitting a plan themselves. The group who actively discuss these things in-thread is a lot smaller than the group who drop in to cast votes and otherwise never talk. I guess I'll try to be around in the early minutes after the vote opens and the first plans are submitted to do it myself.
While I'm here, I'm going single-issue voter on the socials as while I like and voted for checking out the marble purchases and the canal, I want to close off the Gold College more and they're neck and neck.
[X] Gold College
Last edited:
- Location
- Australia
That's about what I expected, yeah. What I was unsure about was writing the book before we finished, but actually doing the research should be fine. Worst case scenario is we summon a greater daemon and half of them can't even fly.
Not mechanics, I just fear that copy errors will persist into the final copies, or there'll be some accident that damages a rare book, or our reputation suffers for displaying mediocre copy abilities to the big prestigious noble university.
Somic
It's meow or never
- Pronouns
- She/Her
My two cents on the Gambler:
For the Red Rider, the thread has been hyping Mathilde's combat abilities and going all "but what if she goes to fight Malekith/the Everchosen/a Greater Daemon, etc." for a while. She has a grandmastery in swording, can literally teleport, gets a bunch of revives, has backup who's also quite a martial wizard, and she's going against an Apparition. If Riders in Red were powerful enough to pose a serious threat to a unit like her and require divine intervention, they'd be apocalyptic.
For liminal realm research, though... she's poking the barrier between reality and the Warp, and the Warp houses terrible and wondrous things. Like Greater Daemons. Or Ranald. Asking Him to keep an eye on the other side of that barrier while she messes with it is a thematically perfect and practically important decision.
For the Red Rider, the thread has been hyping Mathilde's combat abilities and going all "but what if she goes to fight Malekith/the Everchosen/a Greater Daemon, etc." for a while. She has a grandmastery in swording, can literally teleport, gets a bunch of revives, has backup who's also quite a martial wizard, and she's going against an Apparition. If Riders in Red were powerful enough to pose a serious threat to a unit like her and require divine intervention, they'd be apocalyptic.
For liminal realm research, though... she's poking the barrier between reality and the Warp, and the Warp houses terrible and wondrous things. Like Greater Daemons. Or Ranald. Asking Him to keep an eye on the other side of that barrier while she messes with it is a thematically perfect and practically important decision.
The apparitions action has multiple things going on with it, the faster she finds it for instance the more time in the AP she can spend studying it, or finding a more stable capture method, there are many instances where luck could be very helpful.
Conversely, I find the argument for Liminal realms a bit of a reach regarding how much a boost is needed when a different boost is available but being ignored, we could just wait an additional turn and get the Calamity room available again for it. This isn't regarded as necessary since we can just run away, so... if things go wrong we run away.
Last edited:
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Here is a good summary of the info available on Apparition Binding.
Here is a good recent summary by @Parabola about the tradeoffs between the different Apparitions we could bind.
The clearly most popular option is a Rider in Red, because it gives a big tough fighter, where if we get in a tough spot facing several enemies and need some breathing room, or want to do a cavalry charge with RoW, then we just go "I choose you Dämmerlichtreiter!". It also works thematically with Mathy's spells and style. We are an ulgu wielding knight who likes to use a great sword, so we could make it look like a Nazgul and it would match with our style. We can probably incorporate mist into the spell to make it easier to use because of our staff (there is a somewhat Boney post about this somewhere, I think in response to Alratan), and if we make a shadow sword spell, there might be overlap with enhancing the sword the apparition wields. It fills a nice niche in our combat abilities that our current spells and equipment don't and it matches our image, so it is clear why it is popular.
For the other apparitions no one has articulated a clear plan as to how to weaponize them. I have tried to come up with ideas in the past. I recently proposed a plan for the Black Essense, but it was shot down by Boney, with follow up discussion here. I was trying to come up with a battle magic spell, inspired by this Boney quote:
But so far I don't know of any approved spell idea that uses the Whispering Darkness or the Black Essence, and I don't know how to reconcile "the Black Essence's ability to alter someone's perceptions" with this:
So I am very open to ideas for how to weaponize Apparitions other than the Rider in Red, but there aren't any clearly communicated ideas for how to use Handmaidens, or the Whispering Darkness, or the Black Essence as anything other than basic assassins, when we are already a very good assassin. For now I have just accepted that we should capture a Rider in Red (or maybe doggos if the thread doesn't mind being obvious about where we got the idea), and have been coming up with Windherder ideas instead.
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
If Mathilde avoids summoning daemons on liminal realm research only because of divine intervention, that's a dangerous omission to include in the AV book.
On the off-chance anyone else finds a way to synthesise or capture AV in the future, they're unlikely to have Ranald putting his finger on the scale for them when they try themselves.
On the off-chance anyone else finds a way to synthesise or capture AV in the future, they're unlikely to have Ranald putting his finger on the scale for them when they try themselves.
Last edited:
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Mathilde's going to be making the Realm and then figuring out how to make it daemon-proof, since she knows Liminal Realms such as the space of the Colleges are safe and not prone to daemonic intrusion themselves. Maybe an artificial Liminal Realm needs to be infused with a Wind first? We don't know, but it's presumably doable.
But in the process of trying to figure it out, she'd be vulnerable, because of course she's going to have to experiment and figure out what it is. However, future individuals that attempt to make a Liminal Realm using AV would have Mathilde's guidance on how to make it safe right off the bat, they wouldn't have to throw things at the wall and see what sticks. They'd be presumably safer.
Besides, Ranald's influence is mostly just really good coincidences that either inspire insight or prevent disaster. He wouldn't actually influence the research process per se. He'd 'just' be there making sure Mathilde doesn't slip up or that any daemons don't get any ideas of trying to stick their beaks in there. Which might be more of a danger to Mathilde in particular given that she's been invited to the Everchosenbowl.
Next up is the Bloodthirster "Join Chaos now!" pitch. I hear they've been working on it really hard cause they don't wanna be shown up by Big Bird.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
He rolled to see which of the Four would make their pitch IIRC, and he took the golden opportunity handed to him when it was bird-brain.
Perhaps he'd roll again. I'd put my bets on Nurgle, I bet he's feeling excluded for having never crossed paths with Mathilde.
- Location
- The Middle of the Howling Wilderness
See I'm picturing a Bloodthirster who heard about Mathilde's new fighting style just kool-aid man-ing his way through the walls of reality to fight her.
NexusEye
Aspiring God
- Pronouns
- She/Her
The Lord of Change's pitch was essentially an eloquent speech that boiled down "you should become the Everchosen so you can kick our ass". A Bloodthirster's pitch would probably be much shorter and boil down to "you should become the Everchosen so you can kick our ass". And despite being the exact same message at its core, the Bloodthirsters pitch will probably be more believable. Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it flows, if empowering order to fight back against Chaos results in a bloodier second Great War, regardless of who ultimately prevails, that's a win for him. Khrone has a good reason to hold up his end of the bargain out of enlightened self-interest, Tzeentch has no reason to keep their word and many reasons why they wouldn't. Simply due to that Bloodthirster's pitch would be infinitely more likely to be genuine than an offer from Tzeentch or any of the other Chaos Gods.
- Location
- New Zealand
If it's Slaanesh, then it can be the Keeper of Secrets that Mathilde fought after the release of Karak Vlag.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
Either that or whoever Alberich's patron on the other side was.