Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I think your numbers are actually better than a 5 to 1 ratio: as has been pointed out to me, you eventually have to make the trip back anyway, so we should probably take the average of the upstream and downstream ratios, which in your source is 8.
If true, I'm not sure what the right ratio for the Schaukel would be. It's not an artifical canal, but like everything in Laurelorn it's cultivated by magic and spirit binding, and Niedzwenka commented on what a tame river it was when she visited:
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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I'm not sure we want to get Mathilde's Ulgu attuned with a place that doesn't exist, it sound's like a good way for Mathilde to disappear too.Clearly, at some point we should consider moving to Hochland
Imagine being the Person equivalent of Hochland, it would be a nightmare.
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Maybe that's what happened to the Ulgu dragons: They all moved to Hochland, which doesn't exist.
Well, I guess with her time in the college she already has experience living somewhere that doesn't' properly exist...Clearly, at some point we should consider moving to Hochland
dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
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The best you could hope for would probably be just people always forgetting your name. People would just call you 'The Guy From That Place That Doesn't Exist'
(It's Rudiger von Bechafen)
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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They'd probably forget all you achievements too and just assume you suck at magic, so they give you a desk job under some far cooler flashier Wizard.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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On a serious note, I imagine part of what made the metaphorical fog of war something Mathilde could internalize was that not only did the Sylvanian campaign involve a lot of careful step-by-step movement across hostile enemy terrain, but also, at the time she was still enmeshed in the Lahmian conspiracy. Both would constantly put Mathilde in the state of mind where she had to think of how information is a deeply important thing to have when it comes to war.
It's quite possible Eike will never develop that same understanding. I think that'd be fine though - while she should have Mathilde as a model, she shouldn't become a second her, I'd like her to grow into her own person. In my personal ideal world, Eike goes on to be her own person, surpasses Mathilde, and at some point people start talking of Mathilde as the teacher of the incredibly skilled Eike Hochschild.
It's quite possible Eike will never develop that same understanding. I think that'd be fine though - while she should have Mathilde as a model, she shouldn't become a second her, I'd like her to grow into her own person. In my personal ideal world, Eike goes on to be her own person, surpasses Mathilde, and at some point people start talking of Mathilde as the teacher of the incredibly skilled Eike Hochschild.
Given Mathilde is in the process of recreating waystones, Eike's gonna have to shoot for some mighty big targets to hit that. She'll have to break out every In Case Of Malekith, Break Glass plan the thread's made and take him out or something. Or like, destroy skavenblight.
Not destroy Skavenblight, convert it from the Horned Lord to our lord and saviour Ranald!
dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
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This is our final command from Abelhelm that we have yet to fulfill, but our studies into the snakebox and Aethyric Vitae are soon to conclude, and we can finally preform our last act in his service.
ps, His death scene still makes me tear up.
Eisenhelm
gran dutch of douchery
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I was re-reading eike's first introduction and whit the benefit of hindsight this comment becomes comedic gold.
I didn't check the sources they cite myself yet, but it says "up to" and "about" when describing the costs, so I'm not sure if you can average them that way. But yes, the average of these sources seems higher than 5. Which means I'm once again unsure where the discrepancy comes from. Sadly I'm on the road this weekend so this curiosity will have to wait.
Much to tame to attack without order may not exclude rapids, narrows, and other obstructions. It's lacking a tow-path , and loading facilities. I'm not sure how safe the passage through the Ward of Storm would be for the tow-horses and humans. If this was in comparison to IRL roads I would suspect something closer to 1/2 , but since the Warhammer roads suck it's hard to say in general. Compared to a mix of ROW and Great Northern Road in particular it depends a lot on how good the Great Northern Road is.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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THe Great North Road is apparently decently dangerous, which would indicate to me it's not in the best of conditions.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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I imagine there's both a low floor and a low ceiling to how well-built or patrolled a road built right through the middle of a swamp can be.
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I imagine it was a perfectly well built road thousands of years ago, but rather less well maintained after millennia of neglect and shoddy repairs.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Also apparently people stole a bunch of the stones.
Surprised Boney's changed the route of teh road like that though. Interesting choice though
The 1/2 ratio does seem quite low compared to every other figure I saw so far: 5, 6 and 11 from your source, and Boney's 50 to 1 weight ratio. Maybe the example you're using had great roads and/or unusually bad rivers?
House Teleri intends to ship stone along the Schaukel, so loading facilities and such should be constructed sometime in the future. Definitely not in time for Eike's test, though.
Huh, so the Great North Road is a dwarf road. That should make it pretty good as far as Empire roads go, though it might be poorly maintained as you say - the swamp section in particular I imagine isn't in the best shape.
What do you mean? Talabheim to Middenheim to Marienburg is the canonical route the road takes, and while it's kind of hard to see that the Great Forest Road and the Great North Road are part of the same stretch of road when looking at maps of Middenland and Talabecland, on a map of the entire Empire it does seem to be the same road.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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The Old Dwarf Road canonically ends at Wurtbad.It's what's in the Winds of Chaos map.
Article: Wurtbad rests at the terminus of the Old Dwarf Road
Take a look at this map of the Empire, you can follow the road from Wurtbad all the way to Marienburg:
It's the Great North Road between Marienburg and Middenheim, the Old Forest Road between Middenheim and Wurtbad, the Old Dwarf Road between Wurtbad and Karaz-a-Karak, and the Silver Road between Karaz-a-Karak and Mount Silverspear. Mathilde thinks of the whole thing as the Old Dwarf Road because a) she's a Stirlander and b) because that's an accurate name for it. It was made by the Dwarves 5000 years ago to link Karaz-a-Karak to what is now Marienburg back when they were allies and trading partners with the Elves.
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Mopman43
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The other races said we were mad to build a road in the middle of a swamp, but we built it anyway, just to show them!
It sank into the swamp.
So we built another one!
That sank into the swamp.
So we built a third one!
It crumbled, washed out, then sank into the swamp.
But the fourth road, the fourth road stood up!
Tbf the dwarfs would build that road exactly once! Because anything you need to build again you build shoddily.
And again, to their credit, it's still there, being a road. Arguably the most important road of the empire.
(Thinking about it, what would the tribes have thought when they found that piece of rock that snakes through the land, flat as a plate.)
Given they came from the east, which is to say over the World's Edge mountains they would likely recognize it for what it was. Hell even before the migration they wold have known what roads were from the Dark Lands... though granted back then they would avoid them or use them only at great need since that is where the dawi xhar slavers came from. I imagine their first time meeting an untainted dwarf would have been... fought, especially since they would have made the obvious comparison. Going from that to being taught how to forge metal would have been a hell of an act of diplomacy and one which will now remain unsung, overshadowed by Sigmar later