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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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notanautomaton said:
How big a deal are the tributary actions? Like, is it going to be a noticeable improvement
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Boney said:
Investigation of the medium-sized Waystones is ongoing, but we've managed to recreate the smaller, supplemental ones using a few different magical paradigms. Actually implementing them would be long-term projects - my best estimate is that a team of four magic-users could meet the needs of a province within a decade - but if they are put into place, then the benefits of reducing the amount of stagnant magic would be widespread. Citizens will be healthier and saner, there'll be less mutants and Beastmen born, storms of magic will be rarer, there'll be less mayhem on Geheimnisnacht and Hexensnacht, and less power available to Necromancers and Sorcerers
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Deathbybunnies said:
On a more practical level, I'm not above the allure of a portable pocket dimension to hold stuff. Some people immediately decried the similarities to D&D's Bags of Holding, as though Hammerspaces/Spatial Rings/Inner Worlds/Inventories (LitRPGs, ehhhh...) haven't shown up in almost every high fantasy setting ever because portable storage dimensions are extremely cool and useful. I'm not willing to cede that fantasy trope as being D&D's domain, and neither should anyone else.
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Oh absolutely, if you like liminal realms for themselves then it's not my thing but vote for it! I've seen comments though about how we can't possibly call the AV book 'done' unless every box has been ticked; not because the box is useful but because it's there, and submitting a book that has a chapter that could be written, but isn't, is somehow a failure.
 
Gavin Prince said:
If we want to be extremely cynical about it: imports are relatively safe politically. If we look for exports, however, there's a very good chance they'll end up coming from the Forestborn. Suddenly, ongoing economic exchange with the Empire is enriching/empowering a disenfranchised political bloc, which incentivises the established powers (who we're relying on to keep the Waystones project aloft) to maybe rethink their vote on this open-borders thing.
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Why would luxury consumer goods be more likely to come from the Forestborn?
 
NexusEye said:
If they want full granaries but don't eat anything, what's going on with the grain that makes them need to refill the granaries more than once?
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Decay works only slightly slower than the appetite of a living peasantry.

notanautomaton said:
How big a deal are the tributary actions? Like, is it going to be a noticeable improvement
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It will be a big deal to people living in or near places that are actively magical and malicious, like near Drakwald or Sylvania. Being able to bury a corpse without it getting up next time Morrsleib waxes is pretty stark. In other places people generally won't notice a different in their day-to-day, but on the scale of a province it won't take long until the cumulative effects of things like rarer mutations, more healthy births and less Beastmen will be visible in the censuses and tax rolls.
 
Rats?


Tangent off of gods- it seems like a pretty common property of gods in Warhammer is that they are geographically located, or rather localized to a particular part of the world.

Does anyone have a hypothesis as to why?

It doesn't square with the idea of independent existences in a place disconnected from the material world, which is what I'd been using as a basic model in my head.

So it might be that the warp actually does reflect the world, and the place a god 'lives' is congruent between them. Or, the places where a god can see into the material are where their worshipers are or were? This is my information-constrained than power-constrained model of worship. Or maybe...

Idk. We've got evidence that gods can change domicile, better evidence than then changing portfolio. We've got a while bunch of minor gods that are explicitly local, plus the big three of the Lady, Sigmar, and the Widow. Ulric seems to only be where there is winter, Taal only where there is wild, so borders there too.

It almost looks like elf-gods and chaos gods are the only ones that can take be described as global, but the chaos gods are definitely 'outside' the world and the elves... Are weird.

And it's hard to actually know if the dwarves were even "gods", given that channeling divine power through mortals is how the other pantheons prove they are. We've got a "yes" indicator from Gazul and how his attention felt; but zooming out the ancestors seem clearly once-mortal and global in scope?
 
NexusEye said:
We've been looking into what Laurelorn might want to import from the outside world but there's something else we haven't looked into, what Laurelorn might want to export to the outside world. If we can find the Laurelorn equivalent of Runic luxury goods, something of high trade value but no military value and is easy to transport and something only Laurelorn can provide, we might be able to strike a deal with a House where we buy whatever they have to offer and they get gold to spend getting stuff they want from other Houses.
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I've been talking a bit about the potential for EXPORTING spice from Laurelorn. We know from the spice EIC action that they have their own wonderous varieties, I feel there is even more money to make being an intermediary in selling spices from the Eonir to other huge markets (the Empire, Kislev, Bretonia, etc.) than selling to the relatively small Eonir market.

And then there is the margin, when we buy spices to sell to the Eonir, there were already many middlemen and the price is already inflated. If we buy directly from the Eonir we can buy directly from the producer and sell with a potentially huge margin at prices similar to Cathayan spices...
 
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Trying to convince the Eonir to part ways with their luxury goods for non-ruinous prices would be much harder than letting the growing trade deficit bring them to the bargaining table on their own initiative, after they burn through centuries of accumulated precious metals.
 
We just need Wilhelmina on the job of making sure the flood of coinage goes to investment, not inflation.
 
On the flip side, they do use gold and gems as architectural elements. There's got to be a ton tied up in the buildings. We'll see where the politics of that goes.
 
Boney said:
Trying to convince the Eonir to part ways with their luxury goods for non-ruinous prices would be much harder than letting the growing trade deficit bring them to the bargaining table on their own initiative, after they burn through centuries of accumulated precious metals.
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Are all their spices considered luxury goods?

I presumed that they'd have some spices (and other foodstuff for that matter) that are used by the commoners both cityborn and forestborn. And that some of those spices (or foods) would be exotic enough to sell as luxury goods in other markets.

On the other hand, I didn't think that the Eonir would have much in terms of precious metal and coinage due to using those in their tributaries.

Then again, I might be trying to make this too much !economy quest! when that's not the place.
 
Sparsebeard said:
Are all their spices considered luxury goods?

I presumed that they'd have some spices (and other foodstuff for that matter) that are used by the commoners both cityborn and forestborn. And that some of those spices (or foods) would be exotic enough to sell as luxury goods in other markets.

On the other hand, I didn't think that the Eonir would have much in terms of precious metal and coinage due to using those in their tributaries.

Then again, I might be trying to make this too much !economy quest! when that's not the place.
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"Hello, spices seller. I'm going into Altdorf, and I want your tastiest spices."
"My spices are too tasty for you, traveler."
"Spices seller, I tell you I'm going into Altdorf, and I want only your tastiest spices."
"You can't handle my spices. They're too tasty for you."
"Spices seller, listen to me. I want only your tastiest spices."
"My spices would kill you, traveler. You cannot handle my spices."
 
Boney said:
"Hello, spices seller. I'm going into Altdorf, and I want your tastiest spices."
"My spices are too tasty for you, traveler."
"Spices seller, I tell you I'm going into Altdorf, and I want only your tastiest spices."
"You can't handle my spices. They're too tasty for you."
"Spices seller, listen to me. I want only your tastiest spices."
"My spices would kill you, traveler. You cannot handle my spices."
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WTH did I just watch.
 
Mopman43 said:
In this era, I think all spices are luxury goods.
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*handwaggle*

That's true, but only through a trick of definitions. "Spices," near as I can tell it, generally means "food seasonings that are relatively inaccessible to me," as opposed to "food seasonings I have readily available."
BurnNote said:
All imported spices. There's also whatever you grow in your garden, though that often gets called herb instead.
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Yeah, that. Parsley and cilantro, for instance, are things that would be called spices if they weren't European-native plants. There is a reason that, for instance, there is a trade to Tor Lithanel of "Western spices" from Altdorf: those things that people in the Empire don't think of as particularly exotic or fancy additions to meals, but which are not found in Laurelorn and thus have value for export.
 
picklepikkl said:
There is a reason that, for instance, there is a trade to Tor Lithanel of "Western spices" from Altdorf: those things that people in the Empire don't think of as particularly exotic or fancy additions to meals, but which are not found in Laurelorn and thus have value for export.
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Er, aren't those imports from Lustria and Ulthuan? Not Empire-native spices?
 
Mopman43 said:
Er, aren't those imports from Lustria and Ulthuan? Not Empire-native spices?
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Yeah, if they were sourced from the Empire we could sell them at a high markup to profit majorly on them like the eastern spices but we can't because they're already marked up and very expensive meaning we can't raise the price much without making people unwilling to buy them.
 
Boney said:
"Hello, spices seller. I'm going into Altdorf, and I want your tastiest spices."
"My spices are too tasty for you, traveler."
"Spices seller, I tell you I'm going into Altdorf, and I want only your tastiest spices."
"You can't handle my spices. They're too tasty for you."
"Spices seller, listen to me. I want only your tastiest spices."
"My spices would kill you, traveler. You cannot handle my spices."
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>Be me, House Yavanna
>Looking to spice up (haha) my life
>The Shadow Wizard Money Gangster rolls up to me and offers me her spices
>I ask her if they're mild or Aqshy-esque
>She doesn't understand
>Pull out illustrated diagram explaining what is mild and what is Aqshy-esque
>She laughs and says "they're good spices, sirs"
>Buy into the spices
>They're good
>I start wondering whether I'm on the wrong meme format.
>I am forcibly escorted out of the Isolationist faction while I am confused
 
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The "herbs" part of herbs and spices? Like, if we know what it is and what it does, it's an herb. If it's a mysterious powder that tastes good, it's a spice.

Ironically, under this schema, salt is an herb. ;)
 
I believe at this time vegetables were also referred to as herbs. If you served someone a salad they'd probably call it a plate of herbs.
 
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