Am I misremembering, or was at least one of those cases where the artifact in question was a tomb king in his sarcophagus, and the "sacking" came from the inside?
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Am I misremembering, or was at least one of those cases where the artifact in question was a tomb king in his sarcophagus, and the "sacking" came from the inside?
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Once could've been a coincidence, but you'd think that someone would've caught on and put a stop to it after the second time.
Not the second time, but the Greys caught at least one journeyman with mummy gold and chucked it at the Norscans. It's just that the number of greedy idiots outnumbers the people who can be trusted with knowing about sources of gold, and who tend to be busy already.
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That was Bretonnians who did that iirc. I don't know how they did it, but a bunch of Bretonnian knights mistook a Tomb King's remains for a Duke of theirs and brought him back into Bretonnia. Things didn't turn out so well, after all, the guy's title was literally Amanhotep the Intolerant.
"During the time of the Desertblood Crusades, a regiment of Bretonnian Knights returned from Nehekhara with the remains of what they believed to be Duke Cheldric, a hero whose daring quest into the Land of the Dead was the stuff of legend. However, the Knights had actually returned to the Old World with the mummified body of King Amanhotep the Intolerant, who awakened after unknowingly being paraded up and down the length of Bretonnia and carried across a score of battlefields by zealous Battle Pilgrims. Amanhotep's wrath was great indeed, and he single-handedly slaughtered the inhabitants of dozens of towns before returning to his sarcophagus in Zandri." Page 36 from Tomb Kings 8th Edition
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It does keep happening. I think Lady Magister Mira earned her graduation from journeywoman without even leaving Altdorf by helping repulse a Tomb King horde from the city walls when they showed up. Depending on her age, it'd even qualify as something in recent memory.
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You think in a world we're the dead can literally wake up and violently tell you off for tomb raiding simply recreating historical artifacts and returning the originals would be more popular
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At least in that case, Mira's event lines up with Arkhan invading Altdorf in 2453 IC to, and I quote, "retrieve the Liber Mortis from the catacombs beneath the Temple of Sigmar". It was less a traditional Tomb King invasion and more of a strategic attack.
Now, I understand this may seem confusing, but that's because:
So for the purposes of the quest Arkhan stole a book, not necessarily the Liber Mortis:
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But this is Altdorf! The cosmopolitan center of the world! To display mere copies and cheap imitations instead of the originals?! That would be so gauche!
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That would be even worse. Instead of sending their armies, the Tomb Kings would start sending their copyright lawyers.
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See, there's already a thriving industry across the length and breadth of the Old World for that, for all manner of artifacts historical, artistic, theological, magical and monetary in value.
It's called forgery.
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Terrifying. I can only imagine what that looks like. Nehekharans may be one of the only people capable of standing toe to toe with Dwarves in the legal department.
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I'm thinking about the connection between Be'lakor, the "Father-in-Shadow", and Hashut, the "Father of Darkness".
First I thought it was a Son-Father relationship, because that would be funny, but then I realised that was unlikely.
Now I think they're cousins.
First I thought it was a Son-Father relationship, because that would be funny, but then I realised that was unlikely.
Now I think they're cousins.
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Be'lakor, as the first Daemon Prince, was at one point mortal. (Though exactly what race of mortal he was has never been confirmed or even strongly hinted at- Elf? Human? Fimir?)
Exactly what Hashut is is pretty up in the air, but he probably isn't a Daemon Prince? Quest-wise, the suspicion is that he's another one of those custodian-gods like Morghur.
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Total War Warhammer III heavily hints that he was an elf- the cinematics covering his past show daemons fighting against a bunch of elves, and then the narrator says "Yet one of their prey betrayed their kin, and embraced the Gods of Chaos".
Of course, it is Total War Warhammer, so not exactly the most authoritative of sources.
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TWW is as authoritative as any other Licensed source, based on how GW works.
Plus it's an alternate timeline to the official ending, which itself was a retcon of how things happened before that.
Precisely. It's of dubious canon, then
.In all honesty, it's arguably the saving attributes of warhammer canon, since there are moments when you wonder what the author was thinking.
Black library Author thinking: 'I get payed by word count and books written.'Precisely. It's of dubious canon, then
In all honesty, it's arguably the saving attributes of warhammer canon, since there are moments when you wonder what the author was thinking.
I want Mathilde to try to become supreme matriarch by fighting a certain way.
Plan one: Diplomacy - Ask nicely! - Wouldn't you feel like a fool if all you needed to win was a polite request! Pretty please? With sugar in top?
Plan B: Intrigue - Attempt to convince them Hotchland isn't real and that clearly makes you the ideal leader of the colleges. - They will either be convinced Hotchland isn't real and confused at how they ever thought it was, and thankful enough at your educating them to let you win. Or simply confused at why your doing it in the first place. In either case generating more ulgu for the fight and to help you with targeting spells at them, them attracting ulgu and all.
Plan Charlie: Stewardship/Intrigue - Have stacks of forged documents that 'prove' Hotchland isn't real for perusal. - This could convince them that they are so mistaken about the empire that they are unworthy to lead the colleges.
Plan quad: Diplomacy/Martial - The colleges teach that magic is dangerous and weapons are deadly - try to get your opponent to agree to fight it out with just fists, or staffs and grounding rods, like true wizards - Magic could summon deamons, making not using magic to decide what a responsible Supreme Matriarch would do, giving you the moral high ground.
- [Train to fight with a staff and grounding rod in melee]
Plan 101: Martial/Learning - Fight using as little magic as possible to win while gradually increasing the amount against harder and harder foes - Like an anime protagonist you will only reveal the cards you need to to win, while explaining the ones you do show to teach and entertain the audience. - This will get you great favor by letting everyone watching know exactly how great you are and keep your best spells hidden.
Plan the sixth: Diplomacy - If ever on the verge of defeat, just before giving up, ask if your opponent wants to make the decision a dance contest instead
Plan septacular: Piety - Just start praying really hard to win and see what happens - if Ranald wants you to win, this might be all he'd need.
Plan Octagon: Diplomacy/Martial/Learning - highjack the time to rant about your political beliefs in front of all of the Lord Magisters until you win or lose - largely dependent on the subject of the rant and it's relevance
Plan Ninja: Diplomacy/Piety - Play a game of rocks paper scissors for it before and have the loser give up dramatically in the official fight - let Ranald decide who wins
Plan one: Diplomacy - Ask nicely! - Wouldn't you feel like a fool if all you needed to win was a polite request! Pretty please? With sugar in top?
Plan B: Intrigue - Attempt to convince them Hotchland isn't real and that clearly makes you the ideal leader of the colleges. - They will either be convinced Hotchland isn't real and confused at how they ever thought it was, and thankful enough at your educating them to let you win. Or simply confused at why your doing it in the first place. In either case generating more ulgu for the fight and to help you with targeting spells at them, them attracting ulgu and all.
Plan Charlie: Stewardship/Intrigue - Have stacks of forged documents that 'prove' Hotchland isn't real for perusal. - This could convince them that they are so mistaken about the empire that they are unworthy to lead the colleges.
Plan quad: Diplomacy/Martial - The colleges teach that magic is dangerous and weapons are deadly - try to get your opponent to agree to fight it out with just fists, or staffs and grounding rods, like true wizards - Magic could summon deamons, making not using magic to decide what a responsible Supreme Matriarch would do, giving you the moral high ground.
- [Train to fight with a staff and grounding rod in melee]
Plan 101: Martial/Learning - Fight using as little magic as possible to win while gradually increasing the amount against harder and harder foes - Like an anime protagonist you will only reveal the cards you need to to win, while explaining the ones you do show to teach and entertain the audience. - This will get you great favor by letting everyone watching know exactly how great you are and keep your best spells hidden.
Plan the sixth: Diplomacy - If ever on the verge of defeat, just before giving up, ask if your opponent wants to make the decision a dance contest instead
Plan septacular: Piety - Just start praying really hard to win and see what happens - if Ranald wants you to win, this might be all he'd need.
Plan Octagon: Diplomacy/Martial/Learning - highjack the time to rant about your political beliefs in front of all of the Lord Magisters until you win or lose - largely dependent on the subject of the rant and it's relevance
Plan Ninja: Diplomacy/Piety - Play a game of rocks paper scissors for it before and have the loser give up dramatically in the official fight - let Ranald decide who wins
Okay I laughed at that a little.
The reason the position of Supreme Patriarch of the colleges is won through martial might of a mage (spell work included) is because when the empire as a whole is threatened the wizards are expected to provide every assistance in its defence.
Simply put, if the chief spellcaster is not out there in the field, then they are falling massively short of their responsibilities and obligations. Thus the entire colleges of altdorf was a failure and it's back to burning stake times. They don't have to be at the front lines, but being an armchair general is off the table.
In any case the supreme patriarch (or matriarch) is typically a middle aged to old battle wizard with at least two decades of experience under their belt, of not more.
They're rarely over seventy, but unlikely to be below 35 years, though it's probably happened at least once in either case. Old hags and young boys can both prove exceptional from time to time.
The reason the position of Supreme Patriarch of the colleges is won through martial might of a mage (spell work included) is because when the empire as a whole is threatened the wizards are expected to provide every assistance in its defence.
Simply put, if the chief spellcaster is not out there in the field, then they are falling massively short of their responsibilities and obligations. Thus the entire colleges of altdorf was a failure and it's back to burning stake times. They don't have to be at the front lines, but being an armchair general is off the table.
In any case the supreme patriarch (or matriarch) is typically a middle aged to old battle wizard with at least two decades of experience under their belt, of not more.
They're rarely over seventy, but unlikely to be below 35 years, though it's probably happened at least once in either case. Old hags and young boys can both prove exceptional from time to time.
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Didn't Mathilde become the youngest Lord Magister at 34 or something? And Alric must have been in his 90's when he lost the position to Dragomas.
She was very, noticeably young, but I don't think she was setting any records.
Gelt will in a few years I think (that could be fandom)
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She was noticeably the young side for a Lord Magister, yes, but not to the point she set records or anything, even if you exclude stuff like Dragomas legal grey area.
I know because I made an omake where she becomes LM turns before she actually became one, asked Boney about it, and he told me "no, there were LMs even younger than that, but nothing's stopping you from doing what works in your story".
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Gelt was unique in that he got jumped straight into Magisterhood upon his arrival at the Gold College, no Apprenticeship or Journeying required. I don't think his ascension from Magister to Lord Magister is mentioned anywhere.