Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

[Mopman43]

Gelt was unique in that he got jumped straight into Magisterhood upon his arrival at the Gold College, no Apprenticeship or Journeying required. I don't think his ascension from Magister to Lord Magister is mentioned anywhere.

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He did become SP within like, 15 years of joining the Colleges going by Realms of Sorcery.

 

[deathofrats0808]

Okay I laughed at that a little.

The reason the position of Supreme Patriarch of the colleges is won through martial might of a mage (spell work included) is because when the empire as a whole is threatened the wizards are expected to provide every assistance in its defence.
Simply put, if the chief spellcaster is not out there in the field, then they are falling massively short of their responsibilities and obligations. Thus the entire colleges of altdorf was a failure and it's back to burning stake times. They don't have to be at the front lines, but being an armchair general is off the table.
In any case the supreme patriarch (or matriarch) is typically a middle aged to old battle wizard with at least two decades of experience under their belt, of not more.

They're rarely over seventy, but unlikely to be below 35 years, though it's probably happened at least once in either case. Old hags and young boys can both prove exceptional from time to time.

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I mean, the reason it's won through combat is that the first time the Colleges actually had to decide who was in charge for themselves was something like thirty years after their foundation, and by that time "be really good at zapping people with magic" was heavily associated with being in charge. There's nothing saying that the Supremiarch actually has to take to the field themself.

Also, not sure where you're getting the ages or 'typical' Supremiarch info from. Canon lists like, 8 of them, and we don't have much info on any of them not named Volans, Gelt or Gormann. Hell, Volans was the first SP (not counting Teclis) and he was at least in his seventies, if not older.

 

[BurnNote]

She was noticeably the young side for a Lord Magister, yes, but not to the point she set records or anything, even if you exclude stuff like Dragomas legal grey area.

I know because I made an omake where she becomes LM turns before she actually became one, asked Boney about it, and he told me "no, there were LMs even younger than that, but nothing's stopping you from doing what works in your story".

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Which one was that again?

 

[storryeater]

This one.

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[Orumon27]

I mean, the reason it's won through combat is that the first time the Colleges actually had to decide who was in charge for themselves was something like thirty years after their foundation, and by that time "be really good at zapping people with magic" was heavily associated with being in charge. There's nothing saying that the Supremiarch actually has to take to the field themself.

Also, not sure where you're getting the ages or 'typical' Supremiarch info from. Canon lists like, 8 of them, and we don't have much info on any of them not named Volans, Gelt or Gormann. Hell, Volans was the first SP (not counting Teclis) and he was at least in his seventies, if not older.

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No, they really do. If they are not willing to contribute directly in a time of crisis, they are not going to be respected at all. The entire point of the articles is to give the empire another direct tool against the forces of chaos. It's the reason that selection method was chosen. The Supreme Wizard of the empire needs to be able to contribute in the field of war.

As for age, I'm admittedly guessing, but a typical man or woman is at their best in terms of a skilled craft in their mid thirties to late fifties. Past that performance drops off slowly as their health deteriorates. Sometimes people learn new trades at that age, hell I've known some guys who've picked up entirely new skills past their retirements and got really good, but more often than not, people slow down.

 

[K von Carstein]

As for age, I'm admittedly guessing, but a typical man or woman is at their best in terms of a skilled craft in their mid thirties to late fifties. Past that performance drops off slowly as their health deteriorates. Sometimes people learn new trades at that age, hell I've known some guys who've picked up entirely new skills past their retirements and got really good, but more often than not, people slow down.

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It's a bit different for wizards. We know some of them can live up to 120 years, so I'd expect their best years to be between 40 and 70 years? They would be old enough to have learned and mastered their craft but spry and energetic enough to actually be of use in combat.

 

[BurnNote]

It's a bit different for wizards. We know some of them can live up to 120 years, so I'd expect their best years to be between 40 and 70 years? They would be old enough to have learned and mastered their craft but spry and energetic enough to actually be of use in combat.

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My impression is that Wizards die if they're killed, at least the ones that are in contention for Supreme Patriarch. They don't die of old age.
Of course, that could be because they are often in situations where someone wants to kill them, and just being a wizard is dangerous, and you don't become an LM if you're the type to play it safe.

 

[K von Carstein]

My impression is that Wizards die if they're killed, at least the ones that are in contention for Supreme Patriarch. They don't die of old age.
Of course, that could be because they are often in situations where someone wants to kill them, and just being a wizard is dangerous, and you don't become an LM if you're the type to play it safe.

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I broadly agree, but would amend it by saying that it's the case only if you got enough arcane marks and had most of your soul changed into your Wind.

 

[Codex]

I mean, the reason it's won through combat is that the first time the Colleges actually had to decide who was in charge for themselves was something like thirty years after their foundation, and by that time "be really good at zapping people with magic" was heavily associated with being in charge. There's nothing saying that the Supremiarch actually has to take to the field themself.

Also, not sure where you're getting the ages or 'typical' Supremiarch info from. Canon lists like, 8 of them, and we don't have much info on any of them not named Volans, Gelt or Gormann. Hell, Volans was the first SP (not counting Teclis) and he was at least in his seventies, if not older.

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IIRC Volans was in his fifties when he first met Teclis, and Teclis crash coursed him, threw him on the frontlines, and when the Colleges were formed he became Supreme, so I assume he was still in his 50s.

 

[Blackout]

I mean, the reason it's won through combat is that the first time the Colleges actually had to decide who was in charge for themselves was something like thirty years after their foundation, and by that time "be really good at zapping people with magic" was heavily associated with being in charge. There's nothing saying that the Supremiarch actually has to take to the field themself.

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Boney did outright say that the reason the Supreme Patriarch has to be the Supreme Asskicker among the Colleges is that they weren't founded to write research papers, they were founded to shoot fireballs at Chaos Warriors, and when the next Everchosen comes knocking the Supreme Patriarch is the one who has to lead them to war.

 

[Mopman43]

IIRC Volans was in his fifties when he first met Teclis, and Teclis crash coursed him, threw him on the frontlines, and when the Colleges were formed he became Supreme, so I assume he was still in his 50s.

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Though he didn't become Supreme Patriarch until Teclis left, and that was 20 years after he arrived.

So 70s seems about right.

 

[BurnNote]

I broadly agree, but would amend it by saying that it's the case only if you got enough arcane marks and had most of your soul changed into your Wind.

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True, but you don't generally become Lord Magister without aquiring quite a few arcane marks. Volans comes the closest with decades of studying but not touching, but I also think he got some when he actually started casting (IIRC his eyes where basically flashlights?). But you don't generally become LM without taking a good number of risks, and for wizards that means getting marks. Especially since those are considered a good thing (in game, I'm pretty sure we've gotten marks on crit successes as well as failed rolls).

 

[Nicholas]

I want Mathilde to try to become supreme matriarch by fighting a certain way.

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"One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine! It's the Ten Duel Commandments!

"Number One!"

"The challenge; demand the Staff of Volans! If he hands it over, no need for further action."

"Number Two!"

 

[Codex]

Though he didn't become Supreme Patriarch until Teclis left, and that was 20 years after he arrived.

So 70s seems about right.

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Not the case afaik. I remember making a timeline of every SP, and for the research I did, he was always SP, Teclis was honorary. Even then, he only served one term, which is 8 years:

Just for fun, here's a list of Supreme Patriarchs of the Colleges of Magic:

1st: Teclis (in actuality it's Volans)
2nd: Volans (Light)
3rd: Kadon (Amber)
4th: ???
5th: ???
6th: ???
7th: ???
8th: ???
9th: ???
10th: ???
11th: ???
12th: ???
13th: ???
14th: Alric (Light)
15th: ???
16th: ???
17th: Felip Iyrtu (Amethyst)
18th: Alric (Light)
19th: Paranoth (Jade)
20th: Alric (Light)
21st: Dragomas (Amber)
22nd: Dragomas (Amber)
23rd: Dragomas (Amber)
24th: Dragomas (Amber)

One of those unknown SPs is Ptolos (Grey), who was never specified when he became SP. He was mentioned by Barbitus because he read his journals as a way to come to grips with his Windsight.

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The first person to serve several terms was Alric, and there are 24 SPs, sometimes the same one, and we know how long the terms are. If we calculate the time, there is no way Teclis was SP for 20 years. It wouldn't match up with how many tournaments we had.

EDIT: Here is the excerpt:

The twenty-fourth Supreme Patriarch will be decided today, and that again shows the influence of Supreme Patriarch Alric. Volans served two terms, but at the time was considered the second Supreme Patriarch after Teclis, rather than second and third. But though Alric was stripped of the leadership of the Colleges in the aftermath of the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels, he retained leadership of the Light Order, and then in 2438 he defeated Felip Iyrtu of the Amethysts and once more became the Supreme Patriarch. But record-keeping decided it was untidy to have the 12th Supreme Patriarch be head of the Colleges once more after the 13th, 14th, and 15th had reigned, and the numbering system was tweaked to count individual terms rather than unique Patriarchs, making Alric the 14th and 18th. And then, after being defeated by Paranoth the Wanderer and then reclaiming it again, the 20th.

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Volans served the first and second term, but the first was considered Teclis', and Alric was the one who changed the circumstances.

 

[ReImagined]

The first person to serve several terms was Alric, and there are 24 SPs, sometimes the same one, and we know how long the terms are. If we calculate the time, there is no way Teclis was SP for 20 years. It wouldn't match up with how many tournaments we had.

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Do you mean first to serve non-consecutive terms? Because there's this bit:

The twenty-fourth Supreme Patriarch will be decided today, and that again shows the influence of Supreme Patriarch Alric. Volans served two terms, but at the time was considered the second Supreme Patriarch after Teclis, rather than second and third.

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[Codex]

Do you mean first to serve non-consecutive terms? Because there's this bit:

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Yeah I screwed up on that. I quoted the relevant bit. Volans did serve two terms, although I'm unsure if people count it as two terms, considering Teclis "took" his position. Clearly Mathilde does, but I don't know about official book keeping.

EDIT: But either way, it's the non-consecutive part that's most important.

 

[Mopman43]

Not the case afaik. I remember making a timeline of every SP, and for the research I did, he was always SP, Teclis was honorary. Even then, he only served one term, which is 8 years:

The first person to serve several terms was Alric, and there are 24 SPs, sometimes the same one, and we know how long the terms are. If we calculate the time, there is no way Teclis was SP for 20 years. It wouldn't match up with how many tournaments we had.

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Volans served the first and second term, but the first was considered Teclis', and Alric was the one who changed the circumstances.

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That passage says that Teclis is the first SP, I don't see it saying anything about Volans serving Teclis's term?

 

[Codex]

That passage says that Teclis is the first SP, I don't see it saying anything about Volans serving Teclis's term?

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I think I'm making assumptions, so I'll come back to this sober tomorrow, but what I was referring to is that the language used to describe Teclis serving as SP tends to include the following term:

No. Teclis is an exception because he's considered the first Supreme Patriarch, and thus is technically a member of the Colleges.

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I'm sure there are other instances but I can't search for shit right now. Every time it feels like it's implied that Teclis was honorary leader whereas Volans, his direct apprentice, was doing the SP stuff. But then again, I likely could have conjured that up thanks to my own assumptions. I'll get back to you later on that one.

 

[Nerdasaurus Rex]

Okay, lets Maths this out. The Colleges are founded in or around 2301. Not sure which year they exactly count for their founding. There's an unbroken line of Supreme Patriarchs/Matriarchs, one every 8 years, on the dot, starting with Volans up until the end of Alric's term and the Siege of the Colleges in 2415 (75 years ago). That's 114 years between the founding and Alric getting sealed in crystal. Alric must have become SP 8 years earlier, in 2407. If we ignore Teclis's term, that makes Alric the 13th SP, 13*8=104. That means that Volans became Supreme Patriarch 104 years before Alric got sealed, back in 2311, and therefore Teclis is considered to have been Supreme Patriarch between 2301-2310. The Great War ended in 2304, and I think Boney has gone on record saying that Teclis hung around for 20 or 30 years after the war before leaving.

Starting from the other end, Dragomas started his fourth term in 2486, his third in 2478, his second in 2470, and his first in 2462. Lets work backwards from there.

21st (Dragomas) 2462
20th (Alric) 2454
19th (Paranoth) 2446
18 (Alric) 2438
17 (Felip Iyrtu) 2430
-Sieges End 2430
16 (Unknown) 2422
15 (Unknown Bright) EDIT: 2416 2414 (would help if I could count).
-Sieges Begin 2415
14 (Alric) 2407
(I'm not going to bother writing out the 10 or so unknowns)
3rd (Kadon) 2319
2nd (Volans) 2311
1st (Teclis) 2301

Interestingly, the Sieges lasted 15 years, until 2430, so there were two SP/M's during the Siege—the first of whom was a Bright, thanks to this Boney comment I just found:

It was right before when the duels were supposed to decide the next Supreme Patriarch. Whatever the alternate process the Colleges came up with while under siege, the historical record states that Alric didn't contest it and it ended up passing to a Bright Wizard, and there were two more after that before Alric regained the role.

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[Mopman43]

21st (Dragomas) 2462
20th (Alric) 2454
19th (Paranoth) 2446
18 (Alric) 2438
17 (Felip Iyrtu) 2430
-Sieges End 2430
16 (Unknown) 2422
15 (Unknown Bright) 2416
-Sieges Begin 2415
14 (Alric) 2407
(I'm not going to bother writing out the 10 or so unknowns)
3rd (Kadon) 2319
2nd (Volans) 2311
1st (Teclis) 2301

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According to the post Codex quoted, Volans is considered the 2nd and 3rd SP, so he held 2 terms, meaning Kadon was 4th.

I think.

 

[Nerdasaurus Rex]

Okay, I think I confused myself, so I wrote out the full list + year they gained office. The only way Volans can have two terms is a) his first term actually began in 2303, and his second in 2311, b) he's considered "joint" SP alongside Teclis, or c) we have too many "unknown" SP's between Kadon and Alric, and Kadon was actually SP in 2327. I don't think "a" is possible, because adding an extra term between 2301 and 2311 messes up the count—Dragomas would be the 25th SP if that was the case (assuming my maths is correct). If "B" is correct, then the above list is correct, with Volans's first term taking place at the same time as Teclis's term.

Revised list assuming scenario "A":

Spoiler: Revised list "A"

1st: Teclis 2301
2nd: Volans (Light) 2303
3rd: Volans (Light) 2311
4th: Kadon (Amber) 2319
5th: ??? 2327
6th: ??? 2335
7th: ??? 2343
8th: ??? 2351
9th: ??? 2359
10th: ??? 2367
11th: ??? 2375
12th: ??? 2383
13th: ??? 2391
14th: Alric (Light) 2407 2399

Yeah, under the "early Volans term" theory, Alric either became the 14th SP in 2399, or he was the 15th SP in 2407, but he couldn't have been the 14th in 2407.

Spoiler: Revised list "B"

1st: Teclis + Volans 2301
2nd: Volans (Light) 2311
3rd: Kadon (Amber) 2319
4th: ??? 2327
5th: ??? 2335
6th: ??? 2343
7th: ??? 2351
8th: ??? 2359
9th: ??? 2367
10th: ??? 2375
11th: ??? 2383
12th: ??? 2391
13th: ??? 2399
14th: Alric (Light) 2407
Sieges
15th: ??? (Bright) 2414
16th: ??? 2422
17th: Felip Iyrtu (Amethyst) 2430
18th: Alric (Light) 2438
19th: Paranoth (Jade) 2446
20th: Alric (Light) 2458
21st: Dragomas (Amber) 2462
22nd: Dragomas (Amber) 2470
23rd: Dragomas (Amber) 2478
24th: Dragomas (Amber) 2486

Technically works, but it feels weird having two SP's serving at the same time.

Revised list assuming scenario "C":

Spoiler: Revised list "C"

1st: Teclis 2301
2nd: Volans (Light) 2311
3rd: Volans (Light) 2319
4th: Kadon (Amber) 2327
5th: ??? 2335
6th: ??? 2343
7th: ??? 2351
8th: ??? 2359
9th: ??? 2367
10th: ??? 2375
11th: ??? 2383
12th: ??? 2391
13th: ??? 2399
14th: Alric (Light) 2407
Sieges
15th: ??? (Bright) 2414
16th: ??? 2422
17th: Felip Iyrtu (Amethyst) 2430
18th: Alric (Light) 2438
19th: Paranoth (Jade) 2446
20th: Alric (Light) 2458
21st: Dragomas (Amber) 2462
22nd: Dragomas (Amber) 2470
23rd: Dragomas (Amber) 2478
24th: Dragomas (Amber) 2486

This seems much more likely, that Volans was SP from 2311-2327, with Kadon taking over after that.

 

[Loltop]

Learn to use staff with no hands?
Train to not have casting slowed by simultaneous melee combat?

 

[deathofrats0808]

No, they really do. If they are not willing to contribute directly in a time of crisis, they are not going to be respected at all. The entire point of the articles is to give the empire another direct tool against the forces of chaos. It's the reason that selection method was chosen. The Supreme Wizard of the empire needs to be able to contribute in the field of war.

As for age, I'm admittedly guessing, but a typical man or woman is at their best in terms of a skilled craft in their mid thirties to late fifties. Past that performance drops off slowly as their health deteriorates. Sometimes people learn new trades at that age, hell I've known some guys who've picked up entirely new skills past their retirements and got really good, but more often than not, people slow down.

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"Contribute" and "be on the front lines" aren't the same thing.

Wizards don't age like normal people and also rely much less on strength of body (generally). Which is why Teclis, a literal cripple, is considered one of the most powerful wizards alive. Their reflexes etc matter less because the way Wizards fight is simply less reliant on that sort of thing.

Boney did outright say that the reason the Supreme Patriarch has to be the Supreme Asskicker among the Colleges is that they weren't founded to write research papers, they were founded to shoot fireballs at Chaos Warriors, and when the next Everchosen comes knocking the Supreme Patriarch is the one who has to lead them to war.

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Sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Supremiarch needs to actually go out and personally do the ass-kicking. Like, the thread has already discussed how being the best battle-wizrad doesn't necessarily mean you can guarantee winning the election, and the obvious converse is that not being the best battle-wizard doesn't necessarily mean you'll lose.

Meanwhile, the way I'd envisioned things, Volans hadn't had to actually duel anyone for the position until after Teclis had left (because Teclis was solidly in charge before then, and had no plans on leaving soon). Which would mean the duels arose as a more ad-hoc thing, rather than the Colleges flat out deciding that they wanted a fight to determine who was in charge.

That has since been scuppered by Nerdasaurus' excellent timeline

Okay, I think I confused myself, so I wrote out the full list + year they gained office. The only way Volans can have two terms is a) his first term actually began in 2303, and his second in 2311, b) he's considered "joint" SP alongside Teclis, or c) we have too many "unknown" SP's between Kadon and Alric, and Kadon was actually SP in 2327. I don't think "a" is possible, because adding an extra term between 2301 and 2311 messes up the count—Dragomas would be the 25th SP if that was the case (assuming my maths is correct). If "B" is correct, then the above list is correct, with Volans's first term taking place at the same time as Teclis's term.

Revised list assuming scenario "A":

Spoiler: Revised list "A"

1st: Teclis 2301
2nd: Volans (Light) 2303
3rd: Volans (Light) 2311
4th: Kadon (Amber) 2319
5th: ??? 2327
6th: ??? 2335
7th: ??? 2343
8th: ??? 2351
9th: ??? 2359
10th: ??? 2367
11th: ??? 2375
12th: ??? 2383
13th: ??? 2391
14th: Alric (Light) 2407 2399

Yeah, under the "early Volans term" theory, Alric either became the 14th SP in 2399, or he was the 15th SP in 2407, but he couldn't have been the 14th in 2407.

Spoiler: Revised list "B"

1st: Teclis + Volans 2301
2nd: Volans (Light) 2311
3rd: Kadon (Amber) 2319
4th: ??? 2327
5th: ??? 2335
6th: ??? 2343
7th: ??? 2351
8th: ??? 2359
9th: ??? 2367
10th: ??? 2375
11th: ??? 2383
12th: ??? 2391
13th: ??? 2399
14th: Alric (Light) 2407
Sieges
15th: ??? (Bright) 2414
16th: ??? 2422
17th: Felip Iyrtu (Amethyst) 2430
18th: Alric (Light) 2438
19th: Paranoth (Jade) 2446
20th: Alric (Light) 2458
21st: Dragomas (Amber) 2462
22nd: Dragomas (Amber) 2470
23rd: Dragomas (Amber) 2478
24th: Dragomas (Amber) 2486

Technically works, but it feels weird having two SP's serving at the same time.

Revised list assuming scenario "C":

Spoiler: Revised list "C"

1st: Teclis 2301
2nd: Volans (Light) 2311
3rd: Volans (Light) 2319
4th: Kadon (Amber) 2327
5th: ??? 2335
6th: ??? 2343
7th: ??? 2351
8th: ??? 2359
9th: ??? 2367
10th: ??? 2375
11th: ??? 2383
12th: ??? 2391
13th: ??? 2399
14th: Alric (Light) 2407
Sieges
15th: ??? (Bright) 2414
16th: ??? 2422
17th: Felip Iyrtu (Amethyst) 2430
18th: Alric (Light) 2438
19th: Paranoth (Jade) 2446
20th: Alric (Light) 2454
21st: Dragomas (Amber) 2462
22nd: Dragomas (Amber) 2470
23rd: Dragomas (Amber) 2478
24th: Dragomas (Amber) 2486

This seems much more likely, that Volans was SP from 2311-2327, with Kadon taking over after that.

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Why does the 15th take office in 2414? Shouldn't it be in 2415? Especially because we know there was an election in 2415 (well, technically the very last day in 2414, but still).

That aside, the Great War Against Chaos ended in 2302, which was when the colleges would have been formally founded, so Teclis' term should probably start then.

Also curious that the Colleges had some method of choosing a new SP while under siege. Can't have been the usual duel, so I wonder what they did then.

 

[Nerdasaurus Rex]

Why does the 15th take office in 2414? Shouldn't it be in 2415? Especially because we know there was an election in 2415 (well, technically the very last day in 2414, but still).

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Yeah, I messed up the 15th SP's date.

We know that Alric claimed the 17th SP from Felip in 2438, So Felip must have won it 8 years earlier in '30, his predecessor then won it in '22, and eight years back from '22 is 2414—a whole year before the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels. So the Bright wizard who took it from Alric must have taken it sometime after 2415, but didn't serve a full term, causing a new SP to rise in 2422, who reset the eight year cycle (thankfully on an even numbered year).

Alternatively, the lifting of the Siege in 2430 and the accession of Felip as a new "legitimate" SP reset the cycle, and 15 and 16 both served a non standard number of years. Actually, now that I think of it, that might be the actual answer—that the 8 year cycle began anew in 2430 when the colleges were legalised again and Felip became Supreme Patriarch under the Emperor's authority.

I mentioned above that I confused myself with the maths. That's because I originally miscounted and put in 2416 for the year the Bright SP took over, then I redid my math, realised I was off by two years, and corrected it—without realising that I'd written him down as taking office before Alric got sealed in crystal.

 

[Orumon27]

"Contribute" and "be on the front lines" aren't the same thing.

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There is a s difference between being in the field and being on the front lines. However, as I said, they cannot be armchair generals.

Wizards don't age like normal people and also rely much less on strength of body (generally). Which is why Teclis, a literal cripple, is considered one of the most powerful wizards alive. Their reflexes etc matter less because the way Wizards fight is simply less reliant on that sort of thing.

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Actually, it generally depends on the wind they're affiliated with. Some live longer based on the wind they uphold (Jade obviously will extend life, along with increasing fertility)

Sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Supremiarch needs to actually go out and personally do the ass-kicking. Like, the thread has already discussed how being the best battle-wizrad doesn't necessarily mean you can guarantee winning the election, and the obvious converse is that not being the best battle-wizard doesn't necessarily mean you'll lose.

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Again, you're deliberately misinterpreting what I've said. A battle-wizard does not have to be a simple blasting gun, but they must still be nearby to reasonably effect the outcome. There are many many more ways an extremely powerful wizard is of use if they're in the theater of war (this could even be as far several kilometres away from the battlefield, but still close enough to be called in with good time), than if they're cozy in the capital having tea with the lazy nobles back in Altdorf.

Also remember, all of the criteria you have suggested so far imply a politician as opposed to a leader of a fighting force (yes, politics is often involved in higher military matters, but you can look how well emphasizing that as a quality to seek turns out in various militaries across the world). The Empire remains especially leery of wizards getting involved in upper level politics in the empire, for good reasons given the grey wizards repertoire.