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Honestly, K8P had so many factions that I wouldn't be surprised at someone from Clan Mors being a candidate. (But the Birb did say that they were at the precipice of apostasy. Mors may have gone back to the Horned Rat for all we know.)

I wouldn't be surprised at anyone canonical being a candidate right now even if we assume it wasn't someone from Mors. Mathilde's a candidate. Egrimm and Alric were possibly candidates, if you take the Birb's words in that particular passage as taunting rather than lies (which admittedly you might now). Yes, Chaos tries to corrupt everyone, but are still some pretty high-up members of an organization founded with the intent of fighting Chaos and corrupt magic-users.

That said, Boney said all candidates but one are drawn from canonical figures, and he has said before than Everchosen won't necessarily hit the Old World so the pool is probably worldwide. I have to imagine that at worst there's one or two more living candidates around the Old World.

At the very least, I expect the leader of the Iron Orcs to be a candidate (I personally suspect they are a Chaos Dwarf, but who knows?). That said, I'm not aware of any canonical character that is associated with them, so if I'm right there is something weird going on there.

Still don't know if that means we should deal with them sooner rather than later, or just avoid them entirely.
 
At the very least, I expect the leader of the Iron Orcs to be a candidate (I personally suspect they are a Chaos Dwarf, but who knows?). That said, I'm not aware of any canonical character that is associated with them, so if I'm right there is something weird going on there.

Still don't know if that means we should deal with them sooner rather than later, or just avoid them entirely.
Exactly what the deal is with the Iron Orcs is never elaborated on in canon (they show up exclusively in Knights of the Grail and never appear again- narratively, they have as much focus on them as the Orcs riding flesh-eating horse-things, the Duke of L'Anguille being afraid of the sea, or the Duke of Quennelles looking for his missing son).

There's a few named Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer-Prophets- could be Gorth the Cruel holed up in there for all we know.
 
Tbh, I don't know if Morathi as Everchosen is a good or bad thing. On the good side, no more Malekith. His ego wouldn't accept to submit to anyone, and even if he did he's too powerful and treacherous to let live. On the bad side, a 5000 years-old sorceress that can solo armies get further empowered by the Choas Gods.
 
Personally, I have to wonder if Khazrak One-Eye was a candidate before Middenland + Laurelorn happened to him.
 
Tbh, I don't know if Morathi as Everchosen is a good or bad thing. On the good side, no more Malekith. His ego wouldn't accept to submit to anyone, and even if he did he's too powerful and treacherous to let live. On the bad side, a 5000 years-old sorceress that can solo armies get further empowered by the Choas Gods.
Between Malekith and Morathi, I'd bet on Malekith, even with her empowerment.
 
Morathi is older than Malekith, she's the one who taught him to use Dhar. If she gets empowered by Choas, I think she would win.
Malekith single-handedly outfought everything the Realm of Chaos could throw at him for over a century, and walked out immediately ready to take back his throne and resume his war against Ulthuan.

I wouldn't bet on just an army-killer being enough to get the better of him.
 
And if a Skaven warlord can be an Everchosen candidate, then that throws open the contest to, well, anyone and anything.

... Except maybe the dead.
It also can't be a daemon, for the reasons the birb mentioned. Champions that are already too heavily steeped with a single Chaos God are, while not necessarily ruled out, probably much less likely, simply because if you've already fully sold your soul to one obtaining the blessings of the remaining three will be that much harder.

Morathi is older than Malekith, she's the one who taught him to use Dhar. If she gets empowered by Choas, I think she would win.
Morathi is a better wizard than Malekith, but Malekith is a giant of an elf who would break her over his knee with ease. While I don't put too much stock into tabletop stats, I believe he's the only elf to ever have gotten Strength 5 natively, and in the novels he's described as being a head taller than normal elves and strong enough to lift an armoured warrior into the air with one hand. His magical items are also insane: His armour makes him nigh-immune to non-magical attacks, the Destroyer shuts down magical items, and Supreme Spellshield plus Circlet of Iron make it really hard to use magic against him.

Not to mention Malekith has a giant dragon. Giant dragon is always a good trump card. :V
 
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Morathi deciding if she's going to be Queen, she'll have to take it in her own hands. There'd be some nice drama if she then attacks Naggaroth.
Doesn't really fit my view of Morathi tbh. She wants power sure, but not enough to become that subservient.

Tbh, I don't know if Morathi as Everchosen is a good or bad thing. On the good side, no more Malekith. His ego wouldn't accept to submit to anyone, and even if he did he's too powerful and treacherous to let live. On the bad side, a 5000 years-old sorceress that can solo armies get further empowered by the Choas Gods.
7000. And yeah, Morathi is genuinely terrifying.

Between Malekith and Morathi, I'd bet on Malekith, even with her empowerment.
I'd think it would depend on how they fought. Malekith is a generalist with a bunch of high skills. He's a swordsman and a mage and a general and a dragon rider. Morathi is just a mage, but she's a really really really good mage. If Morathi can keep him at distance for long enough (throw a couple greater daemons at him, or an army or something) she could definitely win.
 
Malekith isn't a slouch in the magical department either.

He can banish a Keeper of Secrets with one spell, and seriously hurt N'kari, the greatest of Slaanesh's Greater Daemons:
Malekith did not so much as break stride as he jointed the battle. With a flick of his fingers, he sent a wave of black fire through the Daemonettes who beset the spearwalls, filling the air with the rancourous stench of charred Daemon-flesh. After another few steps, Malekith pointed his arm towards a Keeper of Secrets and clenched his iron first - the beast bellowed in agony as every bone in its unholy body snapped at once.
With a last, lingering smile, N'kari began to squeeze, but the Witch King was not yet done. For the last few moments he had marshalled his sorcery, and now he unleashed it in a single display of devastating power. A bolt of black lightning arced from the sky and smashed into the Greater Daemon, shattering his defences and wreaking ruin upon his flesh. As N'kari staggered with the impact, Malekith burst free of his grasp. Before the Daemon could recover, he brought the Destroyer around in a might two-handed blow that severed N'kari's foul head.
-Armybook: Dark Elves (8e)

He fought N'kari in the Realm of Chaos and while he lost he survived the experience and escaped back into the material realm:
With a triumphant howl, N'kari pushed on through to personally confront Malekith on the steps of the Black Tower. As the Greater Daemon closed with him, Malekith laughed for the first time in many long centuries. When he had last fought N'kari, it had been beneath the walls of the Marcher Fortress in the Realm of Chaos. There, the Daemon had been at the peak of its power, whilst the Witch King had been near death. Now the tables were turned, and Malekith was determined to take his own revenge.

-Armybook: Dark Elves (8e)

Defeated Prince Eltharion (one of the major heroes of the Asur and capable of using magic himself) with a single word:
Malekith had little doubt he could slay the young warrior, but he would not grant Eltharion the satisfaction of honourable combat. Pointing his armoured gauntlet at the High Elf hero he uttered a single word. In an instant, Eltharion felt the darkness surround him, he clutched at his throat unable to breathe. His entire body coursed with pain, as though his blood had been turned into molten lead, tears of blood pouring from his eyes and he fell to his knees in agony, his Fangsword slipping from his grasp.
-Armybook: Dark Elves (6e)

Earlier, he managed to summon and bind N'kari:
N'Kari considered the Witch King. As mortals went, he was impressive. His massive armoured figure radiated power and not unjustified confidence. The spells he had woven were well-constructed, a trap that it might take N'Kari millennia to escape from.

He had already spent too much time in this pathetic place bound into the Vortex. In mortal form, ennui would press as heavily on him as any other resident of this time and space. He felt sure that he could free himself eventually, but it might be easier to appear to give the mortal what he wanted. He was also sure that, in the long run, he would find a way to turn the tables on the arrogant fool. He always did.

'State your terms,' N'Kari said. The Witch King laughed triumphantly. Laugh away little mortal, N'Kari thought. I will have the last laugh.

'Extend your arm,' said the Witch King. N'Kari complied. Perhaps his foe would be foolish enough to break the magic circle binding him… Bracelets and chains snapped into place. The most powerful binding spell N'Kari had ever experienced snapped into place with them.

'Now you truly are my servant,' said Malekith, unable to keep the satisfaction from his voice.

N'Kari wanted to howl with rage, but the spells binding him would not even allow him that.
-Sword of Caledor

Teclis at the battle of the Finuval Plain considered Malekith a superior spellcaster to himself, and felt certain that he would lose if he didn't bypass Malekith's defences by using the Fires of Asuryan against him:
Teclis felt the cold power of the Witch King grow. Malekith had begun to summon the winds of magic to him and sculpt them into a massive, cold storm front of power. Gone was all attempt to subtly shape things. Now he was building a spell to smite his foes down with all the force of a hammer wielded by a god. The skies turned black. Strange polychromatic lightning danced along the underside of the clouds. The fingers of the wind tore at Teclis's cloak.

The winds of magic spiralled in around Malekith, forming a cyclone of power. Teclis exerted his will to counter the spell, twisting the currents out of shape, making it ungovernable, poisoning the structure of the spell even as it was created so that it would become unstable. His hope was that Malekith would try and cast the spell and it would run out of control, but the Witch King understood too well the ways of sorcery.

He gave up all attempts at forming the massive attack spell and sent lines of force racing back along the currents of Teclis's own weaving. Teclis had only a few heartbeats to counter them before bolts of scarlet lightning impacted on the wards he had set. He ground his teeth together with the effort of parrying the bludgeoning stroke.

Sweat stood out on his brow. He cursed himself for over-confidence. Until this day he had not encountered a magician who was beyond his strength and skill to cope with.

He had never encountered anyone as powerful as Malekith. He had a real battle on his hands, and he felt certain that if he continued to fight at this range, Malekith would win. The spell that he had been counting on to smite the Witch King with could be used only at close range, and there was a massive army between him and the blasted hillside upon which the Witch King stood.
'Do you think you are stronger than me?' Malekith asked.

Teclis knew he was not. At best, he was Malekith's equal in power and he was far inferior in knowledge and skill. All the things Tyrion had said when comparing himself to Urian were just as true for him when he compared himself to the Witch King. More so. Malekith had had millennia in which to perfect his arts.
Teclis invoked the power of Asuryan. He reached out with his will and called upon the flames that burned within the Witch King's body. They blazed up in response to his spell. The wards woven into Malekith's armour could not protect him against the attack from within.

'No!' Malekith's voice boomed across the battlefield. Teclis called upon the full power of the Moonstaff of Lileath, using it to sculpt all of his power into one massive bolt of ravening destruction, knowing the pain of the awakened flame within his body would keep Malekith from countering. Malekith however surprised him.

As the titanic bolt smashed home, he spoke a potent spell. The massive armoured form vanished, leaving an outline limned in fire and the web of energies collapsing around him. Teclis
-Bane of Malekith

While Bane of Malekith is a Black Library book, the idea that he was an equal match to Teclis at Finuval Plain is also mentioned High Elves Armybooks (5th-8th at least), and that he exploited Malekith's weakness to the power of Asuryan in the Dark Elves Armybook (8th and 7th). Now, granted that was a younger Teclis at only 145 years of age who hadn't reached his full potential yet, but still, it's Teclis. While he's not the top dog, Malekith still ranks as among the greatest spellcasters in the setting, and wizardry isn't even his only focus.

Frankly, Malekith terrifies me far more than Morathi, which is as it should be considering this is the guy who managed to keep the Druchii going and under his thumb for five thousand years seemingly purely on his personal power.
 
Malekith single-handedly outfought everything the Realm of Chaos could throw at him for over a century, and walked out immediately ready to take back his throne and resume his war against Ulthuan.
I don't think I'd quite describe it that way- he was basically broken for a bit when he escaped. Morathi nursed him back to health.
 
I can't see Malekith or Morathi acceding to becoming Everchosen. Not when they've spent millennia trying to claim Ulthuan or whatever.

They've been on this arc for millennia of AP, they can't just shift priorities just like that.
 
Malekith isn't a slouch in the magical department either.

He can banish a Keeper of Secrets with one spell, and seriously hurt N'kari, the greatest of Slaanesh's Greater Daemons:


-Armybook: Dark Elves (8e)

He fought N'kari in the Realm of Chaos and while he lost he survived the experience and escaped back into the material realm:


-Armybook: Dark Elves (8e)

Defeated Prince Eltharion (one of the major heroes of the Asur and capable of using magic himself) with a single word:

-Armybook: Dark Elves (6e)

Earlier, he managed to summon and bind N'kari:

-Sword of Caledor

Teclis at the battle of the Finuval Plain considered Malekith a superior spellcaster to himself, and felt certain that he would lose if he didn't bypass Malekith's defences by using the Fires of Asuryan against him:



-Bane of Malekith

While Bane of Malekith is a Black Library book, the idea that he was an equal match to Teclis at Finuval Plain is also mentioned High Elves Armybooks (5th-8th at least), and that he exploited Malekith's weakness to the power of Asuryan in the Dark Elves Armybook (8th and 7th). Now, granted that was a younger Teclis at only 145 years of age who hadn't reached his full potential yet, but still, it's Teclis. While he's not the top dog, Malekith still ranks as among the greatest spellcasters in the setting, and wizardry isn't even his only focus.

Frankly, Malekith terrifies me far more than Morathi, which is as it should be considering this is the guy who managed to keep the Druchii going and under his thumb for five thousand years seemingly purely on his personal power.
Sure, Malekith is a damn good caster, as he should be, having nearly seven thousand years to practice. But he's flat out not Morathi's equal. Morathi subverted an army thousands strong single handedly. She has a rule called Thousand and One Dark blessings because she's made so many deals with evil spirits and daemons. In every version of the DE rulebooks Malekith is "merely" a Level 4 Wizard. The equivalent of a Lord Magister. Morathi is always that and then a bit more. In other words, you can basically read anything Malekith can do magically as being less than what Morathi can do.

Malekith is scary because he has an option for pretty much every situation, and a high level of skill with all his options. Morathi is scary because she's probably the single most deadly spellcaster around who isn't a Slann. And even then, I feel she could take a not insignificant portion of Slann.
 
While I don't put too much stock into tabletop stats, I believe he's the only elf to ever have gotten Strength 5 natively
The only other human, Elf, or Dwarf character to get to S5 natively that wasn't a Chaos champion or a Vampire is Theodore Bruckner, Judicial Champion of Nuln.

It's funny though, going through the books- Malekith was much weaker in 6th, only S4 T3.
 
I mean, at the same time you end up with the kind of, 145 year old Teclis being almost equal to like 7000+ year old Malakith. It seems a lot less impressive if you think of it from that angle. It would be like a 1 year old baby beating up a 40 year old martial artist master
(Not to say that Malekith is weak. Dude is still a powerhouse. Just him being slightly stronger then Teclis is less of an acomplishment of Malekith as much as it's of Teclis)
 
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I mean, at the same time you end up with the kind of, 145 year old Teclis being almost equal to like 7000+ year old Malakith. It seems a lot less impressive if you think of it from that angle. It would be like a 1 year old baby beating up a 40 year old martial artist master
(Not to say that Malekith is weak. Dude is still a powerhouse. Just him being slightly stronger then Teclis is less of an acomplishment of Malekith as much as it's of Teclis)
Teclis is kind of insane honestly. Arguably the Curse of Aenarion helps him out, but yeah, he's absurdly powerful for his age. In my mental tierlist of Warhammer casters, he's by far the youngest in his tier. The fact he has so much room to grow is one the scarier things about him though.
 
Sure, Malekith is a damn good caster, as he should be, having nearly seven thousand years to practice. But he's flat out not Morathi's equal. Morathi subverted an army thousands strong single handedly. She has a rule called Thousand and One Dark blessings because she's made so many deals with evil spirits and daemons. In every version of the DE rulebooks Malekith is "merely" a Level 4 Wizard. The equivalent of a Lord Magister. Morathi is always that and then a bit more. In other words, you can basically read anything Malekith can do magically as being less than what Morathi can do.
The equivalent of a very good Lord Magister who uses Battle Magic consistently. Battle Wizard Lords in the Empire book are Level 3 Wizards by default, but Lord Magisters in the RP and here in DL don't necessarily know Battle Magic.

In the Empire, Level 4 is the level of people like Balthasar Gelt and Elspeth, and those two are known to be exceedingly good at their respective winds.
 
Sure, Malekith is a damn good caster, as he should be, having nearly seven thousand years to practice. But he's flat out not Morathi's equal. Morathi subverted an army thousands strong single handedly. She has a rule called Thousand and One Dark blessings because she's made so many deals with evil spirits and daemons. In every version of the DE rulebooks Malekith is "merely" a Level 4 Wizard. The equivalent of a Lord Magister. Morathi is always that and then a bit more. In other words, you can basically read anything Malekith can do magically as being less than what Morathi can do.
Yeah I never said he was Morathi's equal in spellcasting, although if we're going purely by tabletop rules under the 8th edition armybook Malekith is arguably a better caster, as Morathi's Thousand and One Blessings adds +D3 to all of her casts, but Malekith can use the Circlet of Iron to add +D6 to one cast or dispel per magic phase if he fails it, meaning that he gets to focus a greater bonus to where its needed compared to Morathi's broader but lesser bonus to casting.

But my original point was that while Malekith isn't the greatest spellcaster he's still among the greatest. He's not Morathi's equal in that department, but he comes damn close, and he does that while also being a master warrior, general, statesman/tyrant and craftsman (he forged the Destroyer and the Supreme Spellshield himself).

I mean, at the same time you end up with the kind of, 145 year old Teclis being almost equal to like 7000+ year old Malakith. It seems a lot less impressive if you think of it from that angle. It would be like a 1 year old baby beating up a 40 year old martial artist master
(Not to say that Malekith is weak. Dude is still a powerhouse. Just him being slightly stronger then Teclis is less of an acomplishment of Malekith as much as it's of Teclis)
That's true, but Teclis is widely considered to be the most talented elven mage since Caledor Dragontamer and possibly ever. He was already considered the greatest of the Loremasters of Hoeth at the time, and only a couple years later he would be instrumental in defeating Asavar Kul, found the Colleges of Magic, and be appointed High Loremaster of Saphery.
 
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@Boney, is working with precious metals (ie the silversmithing that would be needed if we want to mass-produce Waystone runes the way Hatalath kind of suggested) covered under Metallurgy, Blacksmithing, or some other book topic?
 
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