Metallurgy. Unless there's something funky going on inside them, they'd be easy to cast so you wouldn't need any complicated smithing.
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Metallurgy. Unless there's something funky going on inside them, they'd be easy to cast so you wouldn't need any complicated smithing.
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Was rereading through certain bits of the quest, and...
And, unrelated, but I couldn't help but notice...
This tickles me so much. It did! Karak Vlag did wait just for Mathilde, the next Asavar Kul
And, unrelated, but I couldn't help but notice...
Did we ever figure out what the deal was with this? Why the Waystone energies powering Vlag's are described so similarly to the Hedgewise's ritual/spell thingamajig? Is it because of the nature of earthbound magic? I can't imagine it's just that this expression just happened to be on Boney's mind again.
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I mean, there's a fair amount of named characters in lustria, they're just, mostly lizardmen. Maybe Mazdamundi is gonna get fed up with humans stealing his stuff one time too many and start summoning a legion of demons empowered by the entire geomantic web to destroy humanity. Heh. Has chaos ever actually managed to subvert any lizardmen? Seems like it'd be pretty notable if they did. Though I suppose the slann would probably pick up on it pretty quick and nuke the whole area with extreme prejudice.
It comes back to the forefront of my mind every time I'm out bush overnight. It is mind-bogglingly beautiful up there when you can get a clear view of it. And it makes sense it'd be a common touchstone in-setting, since stargazing is a lot closer to mind for the average person before the widespread dominance of electric lighting.
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Mopman43
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No known example I'm aware of.
There's theories about the Snakemen/Nagas of Khuresh being some kind of corrupted Lizardmen (there is a location called the Lost City of the Old Ones there) but it's purely in the realm of fan-theories, there's barely any canon material about Khuresh.
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Speaking of the Vlag thing, what were these mystery boxes anyway?
Both were Daemons, I think. 1 in an intentionally malicious on their part way, 6 in their hands being caught in the cookie jar when it phases back into reality way.
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Yeah, as far as I recall, and this was a while ago, Magic 7-10 roughly works out to caster level 1-4 on the tabletop.
Which is neat, as the generic Battle Wizard Lord being lv 3 aligns with a generic "has every standard +magic trait" Lord Magister being Magic 9, with one needing some kind of special advantage to push you to 10.
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In the latter case, I believe it's just Haletha's divine energy. Mathilde's trait doesn't actually say that she can see divine energy:
She can sense it nearby, and is "growing able to recognise" it, but I think the trait would have to evolve before she can perceive it clearly with her Windsight.
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Wolf or Mathilde wouldn't suffer any side effects or Dhar from having non-Ulgu mind spells cast on him? The only Ulgu connecting to Wolf would come from his familiar link to Mathilde or the familiar powers of that link, Link of Psyche and Magic Power right? Oh, and also from Mathilde giving him headpats and hugs!
I ask cause Wolf could serve as a target for those Hysh spell that speeds up ones perceptions. Mathilde would then borrow some of his perceptions by Link of Psyche when it's Morbin time, and with her increased perceptions get a better look at what is going on during the Morbening. Admittedly Mathilde would probably first have to spend time practicing drawing deeper into Link of Psyche to make this work.
Or Wolf could look through or borrow Mathilde's eyes and windsight while under the perception boost and Mathilde could recall his memory?
I ask cause Wolf could serve as a target for those Hysh spell that speeds up ones perceptions. Mathilde would then borrow some of his perceptions by Link of Psyche when it's Morbin time, and with her increased perceptions get a better look at what is going on during the Morbening. Admittedly Mathilde would probably first have to spend time practicing drawing deeper into Link of Psyche to make this work.
Or Wolf could look through or borrow Mathilde's eyes and windsight while under the perception boost and Mathilde could recall his memory?
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There's still the issue of Primordial Winds being too bright to visual magesight. Assuming Wolf shares that with Mathilde, he'd still be blinded, just for longer if that spell works on him. It's been proposed to use Flicker to mitigate this, but, uhh, AP hell.
Hmm, I didn't know about that location. Time to adjust my theories on the five main Old One settlements.
For anyone wondering, my current best-guess status:
- Draugnir went to Qt, Quintex, on Naggaroth. This city created the elves. Draugnir died during the Coming of Chaos, possibly during the forging of the Widowmaker. His descendants are bound to the elves.
- Urmskaladrak went to Zl, Zlatlan, in the Southlands. This city created the dwarfs, but they rebelled and escaped northward. He was killed by Grimnir while attempting to recapture them.
- Abraxas went to Iz, Itza, on Lustria. This city created the Lizardmen. Deathfang claims that he survived the Coming of Chaos but went into exile. He may have fought, and been wounded by, Sigmar.
- Kalgalanos went to Cl - possibly "Calith," and probably the Lost City of the Old Ones in Khuresh. This city probably created the ogres (and maybe halflings?). He disappeared after the Coming of Chaos. Possibly to Cathay, but this story predates TWWH3, so we have very little quest-canon lore. (If we do use TWWH3 lore, he's probably ruling Cathay alongside a surviving Old One and making half-dragon children.)
- Radixashen went to Cd - probably somewhere in the Old World. This city probably created the humans. Radixashen "joined with Rhya" and is probably kicking around in Athel Loren.
Specifically, on the location of Cd: Borek called Norsca, where the Norse Dwarves decided to settle, "the shattered remnants of another prison." That definitely suggests the city is there, or around there. Karaka Drak is a possibility, since it was their capital. The name means "Dragon Hold" and we know the cities had dragons. Albion is the other standout location. It's near Norsca, and it has Old One weirdness, maybe lizardmen, and a lot of ancient human history. I can't match the name to anything there, though.
(I've also been throwing together some thoughts about the "warden gods" like Cor-Dum, but I'll make a separate post on those tomorrow.)
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deathofrats0808
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We don't actually know he uses Battle Magic consistently. It's not like he goes to war all that often actually, so it's entirely possible he doesn't.
Nah, purely tabletop gives Morathi the advantage. The Circlet of Iron is a magical item, so doesn't count for Malekith's own skill and it also provides extra power (because the die you roll can contribute to a miscast) while Morathi's First Sorceress special rule is purely about her own skill and also effectively acts as a higher Wizard level.
I'd say he's a step below in most of his skills tbh though. Like, yeah, he's a master swordsman, but he's not as good as Tyrion, he's a mage, but not as good as Teclis, a general not as skilled as Settra, etc. etc. He's very scary, sure. Ultimately, whether he's scarier than Morathi (who, depending on your preferred edition, has been a Chaos Cultist for millennia without screwing up that relationship or getting fucked over by Chaos) depends on how you're confronting them.
Thinking of Karag Dum again how many non-Chaos Gods are out there still alive, still with power, but not actively being worshipped? Does every destroyed empire or nation leave behind a series of unique Gods just waiting to be 'revived' with a set of unique abilities, and how easy is it to negotiate terms with one like Karag Dum did?
Whatever Mathilde feels about Sigmar the Empire's pantheon seem about as good as you get in this world but if the Strygos Gods were still out there 'sleeping' for example and we could talk to them like Karag Dum did to the Old Dwarvern God what could we get from them? What would we even want?
If we pursued that is it a zero sum situation with the 'worship points' that the Empire's Gods get empowering a given God or does each God have their own source of power in the world?
Whatever Mathilde feels about Sigmar the Empire's pantheon seem about as good as you get in this world but if the Strygos Gods were still out there 'sleeping' for example and we could talk to them like Karag Dum did to the Old Dwarvern God what could we get from them? What would we even want?
If we pursued that is it a zero sum situation with the 'worship points' that the Empire's Gods get empowering a given God or does each God have their own source of power in the world?
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Considering the Circlet is welded into his skull, I feel like the difference is mostly academic.
And the tabletop rule writers often don't bother to make a separate rule giving characters a bonus to casting if they've also got an item that does that, for simplicity's sake. Like, if we exclude item bonuses Teclis is only a Level 4 wizard with no bonuses too, he just knows extra spells.
And yeah, he's not literally the greatest warrior or the greatest mage or the greatest general. But he's also not that far off from the top in any category, while also massively outclassing them in others. He's not quite the best mage on the planet, but he's a far better warrior than any of the other contenders. He's not on the highest tier of weapon skill, but he's got much better magic than any the guys above him. And so on.
Like, the fact that Tyrion, who is probably the greatest swordsman alive, is a better warrior than him is not some kind of knock against him. If we were to go by tabletop stats again, the only characters with higher Weapon Skill than him are Tyrion, Ungrim, Archaon, Kouran Darkhand, Valkia, Shadowblade, Skulltaker as well as Keepers of Secrets and Bloodthirsters.
He might not be quite as good at magic as Teclis or Morathi, but he's also not that far below them and solidly the third greatest elven wizard alive.
Even ignoring the novels, considering that in the armybooks Malekith is quite casually tossing out spells that banish waves of Daemonettes and destroy a Keeper of Secrets, and that he's described as equal if not superior to Teclis who then went on to turn the tide of the battle of the Finuval Plain by smashing hundreds of dark elf warriors with each spell, I feel like it's a pretty tall order to claim he can't consistently cast Battle Magic as the Empire refers to it.
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Ulgu is what makes links Wolf's mind to Mathilde and makes him more than a beast. Any other Winds going into his brainmeats would be less than good if you want to maintain that.
For library purposes, Dwarves have both, Imperial only Strygos - you can find books on Tylos in the Empire but it's all derived or translated from Tilean books.
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Actually I've got a question there, namely how do the winds of magic let you make animals into your familiar and give them those unique abilities? Ghur sure, but Ulgu's the wind of shadow and deception and the like, not the kind of thing you'd normally expect to be capable of soulbinding and giving animals intelligence and stuff like that. Using small amounts of magic lets you do a whole bunch of stuff which is how petty and lesser spells work, but from my understanding, familiars have a lot of magic involved with them.
If feel like Morathi is more dangerous than Malekith because she is a cipher. Malekith goals are known and his actions can broadly be predicted along those lines (becoming the true elven king), but nobody but Morathi knows what her true goals are so she is far more unpredictable then him.
As I understand it, Wolf and Mathilde are sharing the same soul after softly merging them together, so I imagine the Ulgu is mostly acting as a binding agent or something?
The Winds aren't actually doing any of that, they're just acting as a bridge between the Wizard and the Familiar. That's why you can use any Wind (except Death or Metal, which are incompatible with a living animal) and get the same results. It's theorized that Familiars are the animal equivalents of Wizards, which is why those suitable to become Familiars are so rare, and being linked to a Wizard allows their inborn magical abilities to manifest.
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This is canon as of Archives of the Empire 3. A few animals are magically gifted - you can spot them with magesight - and only they're capable of becoming familiars.
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Isn't there also a way to create artificial familiars? How does that work?
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There is, yeah. Rules for it are in Winds of Magic and they're named 'homunculi' by Archives 3. As for how it works, it varies.
Winds of Magic p180
It's very much like a ritual, you spend weeks to months of uninterrupted effort and hundreds of crowns worth of materials, and you don't have a whole lot of control over whether the end result looks like an animal, a person, or an insubstantial floating form.
2e Realms of Sorcery has rules for Artificial Familiars alongside the animal ones.