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Yeah, this. If we had the option to tell the dwarves about that I'd still have voted not to, it's neither relevant nor helpful to tell anyone.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Yeah, this. If we had the option to tell the dwarves about that I'd still have voted not to, it's neither relevant nor helpful to tell anyone.
Parabola
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On an unrelated matter...
IIRC after the Rune action there was some brief talk of getting some Stoneworking books, which Boney later confirmed would be under Masonry. So I'm inclined to think we'd take that alongside Metallurgy with Barak Varr books for purposes of the Capstone action. Do we want to do that? And if so, what do we want our third topic to be? Bretonnia or Athel Loren for eventually mapping their networks? Druchii to become more generally aware of them in case they come back to Laurelorn? Something else from Applied Science for generally improving the Karak's life, like Medicine?
...Also, do we maybe want to spend out-of-pocket money to get more books on Daemons up to Esoteric? We already have up to Extensive on both Empire and Dwarf books, but nothing else, and even if we can't do anything immediately about our birb problem, it feels like something we should have anyway. Just in case.
IIRC after the Rune action there was some brief talk of getting some Stoneworking books, which Boney later confirmed would be under Masonry. So I'm inclined to think we'd take that alongside Metallurgy with Barak Varr books for purposes of the Capstone action. Do we want to do that? And if so, what do we want our third topic to be? Bretonnia or Athel Loren for eventually mapping their networks? Druchii to become more generally aware of them in case they come back to Laurelorn? Something else from Applied Science for generally improving the Karak's life, like Medicine?
...Also, do we maybe want to spend out-of-pocket money to get more books on Daemons up to Esoteric? We already have up to Extensive on both Empire and Dwarf books, but nothing else, and even if we can't do anything immediately about our birb problem, it feels like something we should have anyway. Just in case.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Our total wealth is 493 crowns.
It's a bit tight when a single +1 book purchase is 50 gold.
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Maybe Textiles? For an extra +10 for the people trying to figure out We silk?
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Shallya, for Eike!
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I wonder if there is something that would cover all the metal and stone deposits that have ever been surveyed in the territory of the empire. Like, geological maps from the golden age or whatever? I feel like since the prosecutors would have been the source of the information but the miners the ones who acted on it, there might be a loophole between instead of through guild secrets.
Parabola
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I know, which is why it's an open question. On the one hand, not immediately and necessarily relevant because books only apply when you have the time to consult them, but... on the other, we now know Tzeentch has a literal eye on us.
I'm given to understand that Imperial and Dwarven books on textiles aren't directly helpful because neither dwarves nor the Empire know how to make silk at all, only wool or cotton. That this is why people went for Eonir books in particular - they do in fact make silk.
But I don't know, maybe they'd give a half-bonus like our books on dragons did when we were integrating the helldrake scales into our current robes.
Problem here is that we only have availability of books on Imperial religions up to Extensive. But we could pick those up out-of-pocket, maybe?
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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I mean, I've seen a number of arguments as people cast their votes that that could be effectively rephrased as: "Belegar has been with us through thick and thin, and we owe him."
I've seen a lot less of that when it comes to disclosing to the Colleges.
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So how did we manage to buy Esoteric Ranald books?
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Belegar is an individual (and a close personal friend), the Grey College is either an organization or a boss.
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Mathilde has Ranaldan and Ulrican contacts that let her get up to Esoteric with them, but that's it.
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I do reckon I like the idea of doing Masonry & Metallurgy with the Barak Varr book acquisition.
Bretonnia, Athel Loren, and Textiles all seem like options I wouldn't be unhappy with, but I struggle to see which of those I'd prefer as of yet...
I think that targeted book acquisitions in the name of improving Karak quality of life like Medicine are rarely going to make a big enough deal to really matter - these are things that focus on long-term benefits, and in terms of that they'll be a drop in the bucket compared to things like "copy over entire existing libraries through deals/favors" and arguably even Backfilling. (I expect we'll be doing more Backfilling later on, as we run out of specific book topics we have need of. Assuming the book acquisition mechanics haven't changed by then, anyway)
In general, I think our targeted book acquisitions are best done very purposefully/directed, targeted at things that will tangibly help in the fairly immediate future.
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And those are only for Imperial books, right?
Parabola
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There's several factors at play, I feel. First, we did in fact do this in Belegar's home and unlike the Colleges his people are not directly dedicated to studying magic. If we'd done this experiment in Altdorf, we probably would tell the Colleges with no reservation because it's the responsible thing to do.
(Though of course, we wouldn't be making hardcore magical experiments in Altdorf unless we were more comfortable there.)
I'm gonna second Mopman on how Belegar's an individual we know very well compared to the generalized Colleges. It's easier to put your trust in a single person than in an organization. We have interacted with dozens of Magisters and Lady Magisters on many occasions, but we don't actually know that much about our fellow Greys on an individual level, which still works out because Greys are institutionally trained to handle paranoia.
If we'd directly worked under Algard the way we have under Belegar, maybe people would have less reservations. Who knows.
Because we're a Ranaldite with connections with the Cult of Ranald (via Heideck). It's that straightforward.
Wait, it's been confirmed the people of Ulrikadrin can help get us to Esoteric with Ulric?
I don't think Mathilde's Ranaldian connections extend to Bretonnia, and I don't think Ulric is worshiped at all there. And Dwarves don't have anything on human deities other than Sigmar, I think was what Boney said. So yes, presumably only for Imperial books.
...As far as most human religion topics go, we are in the uncomfortable position of needing to invest actions for full access to topics that won't typically come up that often.
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When was this Ulric connection mentioned? It's not noted in the book purchase availability info.
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Mathilde "There's a Funny Story Behind How I Happen To Know This Eldritch Lore" Weber
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Regarding book purchase, I am unconvinced about Masonry (would like to see what the arguments for that are; I don't think the masonry of the Waystones is a mystery we need to solve the way the composition of Waystone gold is) and would prefer Metallurgy/The Kingdom of Bretonnia/The Asrai of Athel Loren as our Barak Varr purchase.
Actually, couldn't Mathilde learn the Nehekhara language from a Nehekhara to Khazalid or Reikspiel dictionary? Sure it would only be written Nehekharan but that's all Mathilde needs right now. She could probably spend serenity actions learning to read it or at least translating it into at different language.
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Yes she could but why cheap out on a College lesson with an instructor, just for the 1 CF? We want to learn the language in the minimal amount of time.
Assuming we can learn a language from books, then if we did that it would be something that would be picked up passively over time. A college lesson would cost 1AP, maybe more if it doesn't go well (although with polyglot we do have a distinct advantage there).
At minimum, books on the Nehekaran language would probably give us a library bonus to learning the language when we take the class. Considering that we also have a ton of stuff that needs translating, I don't see how it could hurt, except for the gold and/or opportunity cost of getting books on a different topic.
Shard
One and Many
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We should include a faux copy of the Liber Mortis in a semisecret place of our library, except that it's blank. Well maybe the first page can be a 'Are you serious?'. Ditto all the other forbidden books. In one bookshelf. Or maybe it looks like a book but is actually a painting.
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Why do anything different from what Abelhelm did?
He had the Liber Mortis (heavily redacted and approved edition) in his shelves.