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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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deathofrats0808 said:
I think Branithune is just steel, rather than involving any actual Gromril. Based on the way Gromril has been treated thus far through the quest, I think it's too precious to waste on a practice blade.
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I think we can be sure it doesn't have Gromril, the description says it's 'made to mimic the weight of Gromril', which suggests that it doesn't have any.
Boney said:
Other recent expenditures include an influx of books from the Colleges on some esoteric topics, a few volumes from the Order of Guardians on their greatswording techniques, and from Kragg - indirectly, as he'd sent the job off to a Runesmith whose great-great-great grandfather had learned the Rune from Kragg and threatened a dire haranguing if the knowledge has been lost in a mere five generations - you have a training blade for practicing the techniques of your nascent combat style, Branarhune. Though it is, of course, very well-made, it is still a training blade, as its composition was made to mimic the weight of Gromril rather than for hardiness in battle, and it was made with blunt and tough edges, rather than ones that could easily be ground or hammered into sharpness.
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deathofrats0808 said:
I think Branithune is just steel, rather than involving any actual Gromril. Based on the way Gromril has been treated thus far through the quest, I think it's too precious to waste on a practice blade.
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No this is true but he is thinking that our sword has steel in it because he read our practice swords description last so he confused it with our real sword having steel in it. Like our sword is gromril and practice sword is steel so he put two together in his mind.

Or at least that is what I got from his comment. Might be wrong.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
I think Branithune is just steel, rather than involving any actual Gromril. Based on the way Gromril has been treated thus far through the quest, I think it's too precious to waste on a practice blade.
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You are correct, it is almost guaranteed that branithune is made of steel instead of gromril. Since the last time people asked about how many favours it takes to get our sword made of gromril. As noted here.

Nix's Warden said:
Eh 25 is a bit much for me. I'm totally fine with a 20 Favor weapon, hopefully made of Gromril, but 25 is litterally the maximum amount possible.

@BoneyM Quick question. Say we wanted a Sword, or an Axe, how many favor's would it take for it to be made out of Gromril?
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The answer was 10 favors and we had to go out and get some ourselves to get a gromril sword or at least wait until some was found and mined. As said by Boney. Which luckily we were able to get by finding the ironbreaker armor for our current sword and others as well.

Boney said:
10, and you'd have to go out and get some, or wait until the next time some was found and mined.
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Taking into account the fact we asked for a practice sword, it is extremely likely that the sword we have is made of steel, not something precious enough that not a single piece shall be wasted if they find even the smallest sliver of gromril.
 
Codex said:
Mathilde doesn't dislike writing papers. She's been starting her writing career off the back of her research. I'm sure she would enjoy sharing it with Panoramia.
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Codex said:
I realise that, I was making a light hearted comment about Mathilde writing her latest papers like a novel. She seemed to enjoy that. I should have put a :V to indicate that.
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Now I imagine a meet cute alehouse AU romance novel with veeeery detailed margins about agricultural rotation cycles, permissible concentrations of Ghyran, breakdown of soil composition and harvest yields by each year, in-between a romantic triangle of MAGDA WESSEN, THE WIZARD OF THE EMPIRE, shy, ( artistic license ) but sweet Jade Journeywoman Scenaria and dashingly handsome Gold Magister Joachim.
 
Dheer said:
The answer was 10 favors and we had to go out and get some ourselves to get a gromril sword or at least wait until some was found and mined. As said by Boney. Which luckily we were able to get by finding the ironbreaker armor for our current sword and others as well.
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Dude I haven't been in this thread for months. Why are you quoting a post I made literal years ago?
 
Raiseth said:
Now I imagine a meet cute alehouse AU romance novel with veeeery detailed margins about agricultural rotation cycles, permissible concentrations of Ghyran, breakdown of soil composition and harvest yields by each year, in-between a romantic triangle of MAGDA WESSEN, THE WIZARD OF THE EMPIRE, shy, ( artistic license ) but sweet Jade Journeywoman Scenaria and dashingly handsome Gold Magister Joachim.
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One of these days someone is going to just write a Magda Wessen book and we'll probably be able to guess which poster it was.

I wonder if that would be a problem, legally. GW is very protective of their stuff after all.
 
King Arthur said:
One of these days someone is going to just write a Magda Wessen book and we'll probably be able to guess which poster it was.

I wonder if that would be a problem, legally. GW is very protective of their stuff after all.
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Depends on if you get it published. If you just release it on AO3 it's fine.

There's certainly more egregious content on the Warhammer Fantasy AO3 page.
 
Nix's Warden said:
Dude I haven't been in this thread for months. Why are you quoting a post I made literal years ago?
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Primarily to act as supporting evidence and context towards what I was stating in the post there along with the Boney posts to form a coherent message. Was not trying to annoy, mainly took that quote as it was related to the argument in question of whether our practice sword is made of steel or gromril to give indication that the likelihood of it being gromril is low.
 
King Arthur said:
I meant published, full on selling it on Amazon.
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I'll be honest with you, no company worth their salt would ever tolerate that. GW isn't special in that regard. It is quite illegal under copyright law to play around in someone's setting without their permission and allowance, and the reason companies don't pursue fans who make fanworks is because they don't make any money off it. The instant you start selling it is when the copyright lawyers get involved. You can 50 Shades of Grey it though. That novel was a Twilight AU fanfic before it was "restructured" and published.

Godawful book though. Set back people's understanding of BDSM by generations.
 
Codex said:
It is quite illegal under copyright law to play around in someone's setting without their permission and allowance, and the reason companies don't pursue fans who make fanworks is because they don't make any money off it.
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Just to add to this; copyright law doesn't care if you make money or not from fanworks—if you've violated copyright, you've violated copyright.

Just because it's being given away for free doesn't actually protect you from the legal ramifications.

Copyright disclaimers don't protect you either—if anything, adding a copyright disclaimer hurts your case, as you are stating that you are aware you're committing a copyright violation, and you can no longer claim ignorance if you get sued.

It's just that most companies prefer to ignore fanworks, due to a long list of reasons that basically boil down to "it's unprofitable to pursue legal action".

Sorry to hijack your post, Codex, but when copyright is mentioned I struggle not to jump in and burst a few common misconceptions. Writing a 20,000 word dissertation on copyright law changes a person.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Just to add to this; copyright law doesn't care if you make money or not from fanworks—if you've violated copyright, you've violated copyright.

Just because it's being given away for free doesn't actually protect you from the legal ramifications.

Copyright disclaimers don't protect you either—if anything, adding a copyright disclaimer hurts your case, as you are stating that you are aware you're committing a copyright violation, and you can no longer claim ignorance if you get sued.

It's just that most companies prefer to ignore fanworks, due to a long list of reasons that basically boil down to "it's unprofitable to pursue legal action".

Sorry to hijack your post, Codex, but when copyright is mentioned I struggle not to jump in and burst a few common misconceptions. Writing a 20,000 word dissertation on copyright law changes a person.
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That is why I said "why companies don't pursue it". I intended to imply that companies could pursue fanworks, but they choose not to because of several reasons. There was an author who tried to sue a fanfic writer in the 2000's and I'm pretty sure it didn't go well for her, at least in terms of public image. Companies realise that it's a huge waste of time and money and a complete reputation buster if they pursue legal action over fanworks that don't make any money.

There's also the minefield of "transformative work", which requires interprative practice, applies the local laws, and requires case studies and compairsons to make out. What counts as transformative or not isn't always clear cut.
 
If I were, hypothetically, to publish a MAGDA WESSEN book, I'd change up the details, even more so then I normally do when writing the shorts, to make the setting as unrecognisable as possible.

GW ain't getting a cent from me on this.

However Boney would.
 
Codex said:
Companies realise that it's a huge waste of time and money and a complete reputation buster if they pursue legal action over fanworks that don't make any money.
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GW has been cracking down for some time now tou. More on videos than fanfics but if you draw attention you are liable to get a C&D letter quick.
 
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I think the Pern fandom actually did get basically shut down from author legal action? Mostly, and this is just my impression, because of the strong implication in the books that blue/green dragon riders were gay and the attempts to stamp out fan works that ran with that.
 
Tasoli said:
GW has been cracking down for some time now tou. More on videos than fanfics but if you draw attention you are liable to get a C&D letter quick.
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Fun fact: if you posted that fanfic on AO3 (and followed the terms and conditions of AO3, primarily by not directly postting patreon or similar), not only would GW be unable to deliver said C&D letter (there's no "Contact Author" option on AO3, unless you add your mail yourself, for some godforsaken reason), but they'd also go bat for you to actually test that in court. They, and the Organisation for Transformative Works that is their "parent company" (not actually companies, either of them) was in part created to do exactly that.
 
Tasoli said:
GW has been cracking down for some time now tou. More on videos than fanfics but if you draw attention you are liable to get a C&D letter quick.
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There are literally videos of people flipping through each White Dwarf and Early Access Battletome they get access to. Guerilla Miniatures Gaming is famous for this. You can literally stop the video, zoom in, and you'll have access to the full book. And he's a GW affiliate who gets early access books. The video I linked is to an unreleased book.

GW cracked down on animations because they wanted to monopolise them under Warhammer+. If you want to read an entire book before it's released on stream you can do it and still be a GW partner.
 
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