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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Codex said:
GW cracked down on animations because they wanted to monopolise them under Warhammer+. If you want to read an entire book before it's released on stream you can do it and still be a GW partner.
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The thing about this that annoyed a lot of people is that, while GW hired those animators, they never actually gave them stuff to work on (I think).
 
Dragonofelder said:
The thing about this that annoyed a lot of people is that, while GW hired those animators, they never actually gave them stuff to work on (I think).
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I have no context to that situation. I was addressing the video aspect rather than the animation aspect. All I know is that Interrogater and Hammer and Bolter are animated shows on Warhammer+. Can't even vouch for their quality.
 
Alratan said:
Particularly as you can; if you try hard enough find the spirit of the Reik and have a chat with her, and it seems that she has significant control over her river, so if you live on or near her banks keeping her happy is pretty important, in a way propitiating what is described as an abstract rather than sovereign force in the source we have may seem less critical to everyday life.

On a side note; I wouldn't be surprised if her mourning of her departed husband has influenced local folklore, as it's apparently something she talks about with visitors.
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Man I remember reading an offhand mention of this years and years back and then was never able to actually source it or even in fact track down where I read it, any chance you know where this little tidbit is actually from so I can take that weight off my mind?
 
Codex said:
I have no context to that situation. I was addressing the video aspect rather than the animation aspect. All I know is that Interrogater and Hammer and Bolter are animated shows on Warhammer+. Can't even vouch for their quality.
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I've watched the first season of Hammer and Bolter and I was both impressed and disappointed. With the exception of the painfully unironic starship troopers-esque Guard-wank episode, the story, voice acting, and dialogue of the episodes have been excellent. The eldar one was especially moving, and the show overall (except for that damn Imperial Guard episode) did a very good job at making the Imperium look deeply evil and self-sabotaging. It's been disappointing because the animators, though talented, badly needed a bigger budget. They were rather admirable with what they managed to do with what they had, but they didn't have much.

I haven't seen the second season of the show, which has Age of Sigmar in it, but the clips I've seen of the one with Hamilcar Bear-Eater have been funny and enjoyable.
 
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SpaceSloth said:
The WRFP companion
page 115-116
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You know, reading it, it might be a bad idea to bring Elves if we were ever a mind for diplomacy.

"I hear their mocking whispers. Where trees are nurtured and loved, I am not. The Asur turned from me. Well, now I turn from them! I will sing when they come, but this time I will sing a different song..." —Lorili, Naiad of the Reik
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She seems less mourning, and more vengeful.
 
Alratan said:
Particularly as you can; if you try hard enough find the spirit of the Reik and have a chat with her, and it seems that she has significant control over her river, so if you live on or near her banks keeping her happy is pretty important, in a way propitiating what is described as an abstract rather than sovereign force in the source we have may seem less critical to everyday life.

On a side note; I wouldn't be surprised if her mourning of her departed husband has influenced local folklore, as it's apparently something she talks about with visitors.
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The Reik's husband is ???
 
King Arthur said:
The Reik's husband is ???
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There's a mention in Companion:

"Securing reliable texts concerning Naiads is extremely difficult, but not impossible. For example, the Diaries of Inthelion has a possible reference: 'My heart was lanced through when I received the order, for it meant we were to be parted. My beautiful wife cannot leave her flowing home. Unlike Orialthanus, I cannot disobey. I will return, but will never know joy again.' For a more explicit, and vitriolic, description, Dwimmulsson's Personal Book of Grudges: May They All Be Boiled In Oil provides us with: 'Bloody Elves get their fingers into everything! Had to abandon the ships yesterday as they stopped floating. Bloody river spirits!' So, it does seem likely something like Naiads did, if not do, exist. Perhaps they are related to the more commonly seen Dryads of Bretonnia?" —Sigo Bentele, Magister of the Light Order
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Though if that's the spirit I quoted above, might be she'd be less than pleased to see any relatives of her husband.

"I hear their mocking whispers. Where trees are nurtured and loved, I am not. The Asur turned from me. Well, now I turn from them! I will sing when they come, but this time I will sing a different song..." —Lorili, Naiad of the Reik
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I wonder how one would go about courting and marrying a naiad. The whole one elf for one river implies some interesting things about spirits and the types of relationships they have- either monogamous with revenge rather than replace being their usual model, or else this one drunk deep of elven culture and internalized it.
 
Glau said:
I wonder how one would go about courting and marrying a naiad. The whole one elf for one river implies some interesting things about spirits and the types of relationships they have- either monogamous with revenge rather than replace being their usual model, or else this one drunk deep of elven culture and internalized it.
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Stories reflect Aethyr reflect Reality reflect Stories is my guess.
 
pucflek said:
Stories reflect Aethyr reflect Reality reflect Stories is my guess.
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"Where do spirits come from? What makes them different from demons and apparitions and the like? Because the gods only know how perfect and beautiful a thing must be for an *elf* to want to marry it.

"Well, there's a lot of theories, mostly because it's all tied up in the 'How was the world created?' and "where do the gods come from?' sorts of nonsense that gets people burned at the stake when disagreements get too feisty, so everyone's learned to try and keep on other, safer topics. Means that there's more stalking horses in the literature than theses, bah!

"So throw that whole lot of useless theorists out a second story window. Here's the version I heard from a green dragon when I was younger and joined a muster that included a genuine Athel Loren warband. Long story. Anyways, this is what he said he got from raised him in draconis parentis-


"An'it came to pass, lo these many years ago, that in that swirling twice-rent bubble's skin that holds this world apart from the dreaming sea, a mirror could sometimes be seen, as if between air and sea. An'it reflected the inside to itself. Then the thin wisps of not-yet-spirits first beheld material earth, hidden behind a veil from them, and those beings with the sight for it knew there was more real than the material. And they all watched- letting those wisps of restful magic see the essences of the base earth move as spirits do, teaching them how to be and how to act, that when we call them they recognize our stories and our ways. An call them we do, for we too have watched, and seen them coalesce and stretch, trying to laugh and speak and think, seen their careless power.

"Oh, but they learned to be people too well! And thus did they learn of heartbreak and grief, betrayal and malice. Laughing trees and giggling rivers who have learned too late what innocence was, hands stained with the blood of feuds lately come to and only half understood.

"But take heart little hatchling- there are always more wisps of magic that pool with nothing better to do than watch our reflections and learn. And those older, harder, crueler ones? Well. Become too much like a mortal, and dying begins to matter..."
 
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My thinking is that gods and apparitions draw from stories and legends, daemons draw from perception of abstracts, and spirits draw from personifications of the material.
 
@Boney I think the last word (starting with an "f") in the title of Panoramia's latest paper be capitalized. It seems too important to be left lowercase like an "of" or "and" might be.

On another note, does The Talking Beast only work on creatures physically incapable of human speech? Or is any creature that can't speak and/or understand someone else's speech a valid target? (It doesn't appear that sapience is a limitation, since Amber wizards and We are both valid)
 
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StormySky said:
On another note, does The Talking Beast only work on creatures physically incapable of human speech? Or is any creature that can't speak and/or understand someone else's speech a valid target? (It doesn't appear that sapience is a limitation, since Amber wizards and We are both valid)
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The exact line is poorly understood. It's possible that the library-We will hit a point where the spell no longer works on it because it will have completely drifted away from the lifestyles that resonate with Ghur.
 
Boney said:
The exact line is poorly understood. It's possible that the library-We will hit a point where the spell no longer works on it because it will have completely drifted away from the lifestyles that resonate with Ghur.
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If the We can no longer communicate because they are not "wild" enough to be affected by the Ghur, then could we make an alternative translation enchantment? I feel that translation between languages and concepts is a sort of Ulgu thing, and with the combo of Polygot and Xeno-Affinity that feels like something we could do, but I'm not sure it's actually possible.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
If the We can no longer communicate because they are not "wild" enough to be affected by the Ghur, then could we make an alternative translation enchantment? I feel that translation between languages and concepts is a sort of Ulgu thing, and with the combo of Polygot and Xeno-Affinity that feels like something we could do, but I'm not sure it's actually possible.
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They can already communicate in writing if they need to, so it's not a matter that urgently needs a solution ready to go.
 
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