Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Here's hoping it's one of the good ones, a lot of 4th Ed is ether new and tasty, or a reprint scam of 2ed.
There is no middle ground.
Oh, and I feel like I should do a quick review of the steam tank book that came out.
It's a book about the basic history of steam tanks that can be found in a thousand other places, rules for playing as a steam tank crew for the RPG and a mini storyline to add to your campaign. That is it.
10/10 as a rule book (steam tank go Splat! The goblin!, boom the Wyvern!, and boil the crew?) 0/10 new lore.
So I'm going to try something:
A lot of the People who vote for the WE seem to also vote for Cython but not locals, and a lot of the people who vote for locals don't vote for ether WE or Dragons.
So I'm changing my vote Cython and will promote it to see if it has a chance of taking a lot of the WE vote if Local is not in the running.
Or it goes the other way, but at least we might see a clear gap.
[x] Cython
A lot of the People who vote for the WE seem to also vote for Cython but not locals, and a lot of the people who vote for locals don't vote for ether WE or Dragons.
So I'm changing my vote Cython and will promote it to see if it has a chance of taking a lot of the WE vote if Local is not in the running.
Or it goes the other way, but at least we might see a clear gap.
[x] Cython
TortugaGreen
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[x] The We
There's a place in Poland called "The Skull Chapel" that was built in the 1700's. If you're not comfortable with human remains, I recommend you don't look it up.
Mopman43
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Does it at least give a short list of some active Steam-tanks or anything?
Yep, 6, give me a bit and I'll make a list when I have time.
Edit: to be clear, it's a good book, it's just that it's mostly a practical GM book rather then a lore book.
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I remember a White Dwarf Article for 6th Edition that went very deep into Steam Tanks, their history, and individual Steam Tanks, their names and customisations. I remember there being four named Steam Tanks, of which the standard one is known as the "Conqueror" or something like that. I could probably cross reference the 4th Edition WFRP data with older sources to tell what's new and what's old.
deathofrats0808
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Today is Friday the 13th here in the UK. Has been for about 12 hours.
True, but I don't think Mathilde had much contact with him either. She was mostly ensconced with the council or in her tower rather than meeting and talking to people. Acclimatisation works, but it does require actually interacting with those you're trying to acclimate
Paris is built on a series of old quarry tunnels expanded converted into ossuaries. Something like 6 million skeletons. The Crypt of the Sepulchral Lamp is quite creepy and contains only a fraction of the remains.
Same warning about not being comfortable with human remains. There are lots and pictures will show them.
Interesting. What's the book called?
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The Emperor's Wrath.
deathofrats0808
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Ah, after the tank. Makes sense. Thanks.
The Eight Wonders of the Empire
Only twelve Steam Tanks were fabricated by Leonardo de Miragliano, and that number has dwindled since his disappearance five hundred years ago. Four of the original Steam Tanks are lost or irreparably wrecked, and all attempts by Imperial engineers to replicate Leonardo's genius have met with failure. The most promising reproduction, by a rival school of engineers based in Nuln, was thwarted in the year 2499 IC, when the school and their Steam Tank prototype were razed to the ground under suspicious circumstances. Nonetheless, the engineers of Nuln are working on a new version known as 'Old Red', which has yet to be field-tested.
Each of the remaining 8 tanks has been repaired, refitted, and rebuilt so many times they scarcely resemble Leonardo's originals, and many have been renamed to commemorate battlefield victories or improvements made by gifted engineers.
The Conqueror
Weapons: Steam cannon with steam gun turret
Commander: Feinkopf the Tormented
What is it doing in the future?: Patrolling the villages of the Reikland.
Notable History — Believed to be the first Steam Tank completed (in 2025 IC). Shares its name with the 'steam cannon and steam turret' weapon configuration, which Reiksmarshal Helborg has commanded all Steam Tanks to adopt within the next five years.
Deliverance
Weapons: Steam cannon with steam gun turret and additional boiler carriage
Commander: Albrecht Sturn, the vampire slayer
On campaign against the Necromancers of Sylvania.
Notable History — Earned its name and the Imperial Cross for services rendered in the Great War Against Chaos. Demolished the Terracotta Wall of Ramhotep the Visionary during the Quatar campaign of 2041 IC, which lead to the sacking of Ubersreik and Grünburg in reprisal 200 years later. Destroyed the vampire lord Davargos the Tainted at the Battle of Dalvern Hill.
Emperor's Wrath
Helblaster tri-gun with steam gun turret
Lena von Zeppel
Disappeared whilst travelling to reinforce Graf Todbringer's war in the Drakwald.
Notable History — Earned the everlasting right to conduct repairs within Nuln at the city's expense, after escorting refugees from the city following its razing by Waaagh! Grom in 2420 IC. Recently aided the Grudgebringer mercenary company in liberating the Blighted Towers of Stirland from Orc occupation
Implacable
Open-topped variant with mortar cannon
Gunther Maybach
Undergoing weapons testing at the Imperial Gunnery School in Nuln.
Notable History — Regarded as a vengeful deity by the Orcs of the Black Mountains. Ended the rampages of the Night Goblin Warboss Spinny Backstab across Middenland in 2510 IC, by crushing the Goblin under its wheels at the instruction of Middenmarshal Kurt Heinwald.
Indomitable
Steam cannon with steam gun turret
Kristina 'the Crusher' Woolendurst
Completing repairs in Altdorf, after malfunctioning at a parade marking the aborted wedding of Prince Wolfgang and Princess Katarina.
Notable History — Formerly known as Sigmar's Hammer. Infamous for victories against the Marauders of the north whilst stripped of guns and operating entirely as a ramming vehicle. Recently rechristened and refitted in the Conqueror configuration, over the strenuous objections of its crew, in preparation for departure to Volganof, Ostland.
Miragliano
Bazalgette gun-ring turret
Baron von Helsing, cousin to the elector count of Stirland
Undergoing testing by engineers in Altdorf, who are working to improve the main weapon's reload time.
Notable History -— Formerly known as Unrepentant prior to its purchase by Baron von Helsing of Wurtbad, generous patron of the Imperial School of Engineers. Has undergone countless refits and weaponry experiments at the Baron's instruction, enacted by his dubious team of rogue engineers.
Old Reliable
Helblaster tri-gun with steam gun turret
Kurt von Meinkop
Awaiting an engineering escort to deliver her from Ostland to Altdorf for repairs.
Notable History — Commanded for the last decade by von Meinkop, recipient of the Medal of Outstanding Martial Service, and the most experienced Steam Tank commander in the Empire. Von Meinkop was recently awarded a minor title and deed to an estate outside Altdorf, for his tank's decisive action against Chaos raiders at the Battle of Kriegfield Castle.
Von Zeppel
Hull-mounted fighting platform
Geralta Buring
Returning to Altdorf, ostensibly to be refitted with the Conqueror configuration.
Notable History — Named for the inventor of the horse-drawn 'war wagon', a mobile fighting platform the engineer later adapted to be mounted upon this Steam Tank. Renowned as the personal mount of the late sharpshooter general Helmut the Black.
Only twelve Steam Tanks were fabricated by Leonardo de Miragliano, and that number has dwindled since his disappearance five hundred years ago. Four of the original Steam Tanks are lost or irreparably wrecked, and all attempts by Imperial engineers to replicate Leonardo's genius have met with failure. The most promising reproduction, by a rival school of engineers based in Nuln, was thwarted in the year 2499 IC, when the school and their Steam Tank prototype were razed to the ground under suspicious circumstances. Nonetheless, the engineers of Nuln are working on a new version known as 'Old Red', which has yet to be field-tested.
Each of the remaining 8 tanks has been repaired, refitted, and rebuilt so many times they scarcely resemble Leonardo's originals, and many have been renamed to commemorate battlefield victories or improvements made by gifted engineers.
The Conqueror
Weapons: Steam cannon with steam gun turret
Commander: Feinkopf the Tormented
What is it doing in the future?: Patrolling the villages of the Reikland.
Notable History — Believed to be the first Steam Tank completed (in 2025 IC). Shares its name with the 'steam cannon and steam turret' weapon configuration, which Reiksmarshal Helborg has commanded all Steam Tanks to adopt within the next five years.
Deliverance
Weapons: Steam cannon with steam gun turret and additional boiler carriage
Commander: Albrecht Sturn, the vampire slayer
On campaign against the Necromancers of Sylvania.
Notable History — Earned its name and the Imperial Cross for services rendered in the Great War Against Chaos. Demolished the Terracotta Wall of Ramhotep the Visionary during the Quatar campaign of 2041 IC, which lead to the sacking of Ubersreik and Grünburg in reprisal 200 years later. Destroyed the vampire lord Davargos the Tainted at the Battle of Dalvern Hill.
Emperor's Wrath
Helblaster tri-gun with steam gun turret
Lena von Zeppel
Disappeared whilst travelling to reinforce Graf Todbringer's war in the Drakwald.
Notable History — Earned the everlasting right to conduct repairs within Nuln at the city's expense, after escorting refugees from the city following its razing by Waaagh! Grom in 2420 IC. Recently aided the Grudgebringer mercenary company in liberating the Blighted Towers of Stirland from Orc occupation
Implacable
Open-topped variant with mortar cannon
Gunther Maybach
Undergoing weapons testing at the Imperial Gunnery School in Nuln.
Notable History — Regarded as a vengeful deity by the Orcs of the Black Mountains. Ended the rampages of the Night Goblin Warboss Spinny Backstab across Middenland in 2510 IC, by crushing the Goblin under its wheels at the instruction of Middenmarshal Kurt Heinwald.
Indomitable
Steam cannon with steam gun turret
Kristina 'the Crusher' Woolendurst
Completing repairs in Altdorf, after malfunctioning at a parade marking the aborted wedding of Prince Wolfgang and Princess Katarina.
Notable History — Formerly known as Sigmar's Hammer. Infamous for victories against the Marauders of the north whilst stripped of guns and operating entirely as a ramming vehicle. Recently rechristened and refitted in the Conqueror configuration, over the strenuous objections of its crew, in preparation for departure to Volganof, Ostland.
Miragliano
Bazalgette gun-ring turret
Baron von Helsing, cousin to the elector count of Stirland
Undergoing testing by engineers in Altdorf, who are working to improve the main weapon's reload time.
Notable History -— Formerly known as Unrepentant prior to its purchase by Baron von Helsing of Wurtbad, generous patron of the Imperial School of Engineers. Has undergone countless refits and weaponry experiments at the Baron's instruction, enacted by his dubious team of rogue engineers.
Old Reliable
Helblaster tri-gun with steam gun turret
Kurt von Meinkop
Awaiting an engineering escort to deliver her from Ostland to Altdorf for repairs.
Notable History — Commanded for the last decade by von Meinkop, recipient of the Medal of Outstanding Martial Service, and the most experienced Steam Tank commander in the Empire. Von Meinkop was recently awarded a minor title and deed to an estate outside Altdorf, for his tank's decisive action against Chaos raiders at the Battle of Kriegfield Castle.
Von Zeppel
Hull-mounted fighting platform
Geralta Buring
Returning to Altdorf, ostensibly to be refitted with the Conqueror configuration.
Notable History — Named for the inventor of the horse-drawn 'war wagon', a mobile fighting platform the engineer later adapted to be mounted upon this Steam Tank. Renowned as the personal mount of the late sharpshooter general Helmut the Black.
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The curious part is how all those skulls WORK when one of the major faiths of the Empire has Very Strong Opinions on the desecration of corpses.
I'd hazard a guess that:
-Ceramic skulls shouldn't be too difficult to get, and when they are in high demand, potters get good at making them.
-Greenskin skulls wouldn't raise objections much. Beastman skulls likewise.
-Part of the joy of wearing skulls is that you're powerful enough to just flip off the Cult when they get mad. Triply so when you can smugly inform the cult that this skull is okay.
I think this has been asked before and the gist of what Boney said was that they are old skulls that the Cult of Morr no longer thinks are relevant to the rest of the dead.
Mopman43
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Is the bit referencing Kathleen your addition or actually in the book?
Just curious, cause I'm not aware of it ever being referenced outside of the conversion in that one WD article.
I added it.
its to iconic not too.
edit: actually, as I'm trying to be a reliable source, I removed it.
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Ah, then its the other kind of status symbol where you can get your hands on some
Skulls aren't really part of the Grey Wizard aesthetic anyway. Officially it's Swords and Books, and we've got both of those in overkill amounts.
Sir_Travelsalot
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Apparently after enough time has passed in a Garden of Morr, the bodies can be exhumed, as the soul attached to it has fully passed into Morr's garden and would not be at risk of being drawn back. This is why priests of Morr and the Black Guard can walk out and about bedecked in bone ornaments.
pucflek
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Eike has the benefit of being a child from province where Mathilde's reputation approaches level of national hero and spent last few years being raised by Wilhelmina who views Mathilde as one of her two best friends, so yeah, she definitely isn't a good litmus test of how average person might react to Mathilde.
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The White Dwarf Article from 2002 recorded the Conqueror, Old Reliable, Implacable, Von Zeppel and Sigmar's Hammer, and they appear to be largely unchanged, aside from Sigmar's Hammer being renamed into Indomitable and refitted into a Conqueror class. Deliverance and Emperor's Wrath seem to come from Uniforms and Heraldry of the Empire. There are some additional details that I see, however, such as the Engineer who made it and a few more facts about each Tank.
I think the only new one might be the Miragliano.
I think the only new one might be the Miragliano.
like I said, The value of the book is more the rules and using, repairing and running a steam tank in a RPG campaign. then 'new lore'
My thoughts on that: I actually like how they did it, the things are really powerful (+10/12 attack on ramming + size multipliers is just the start of it.) but they are also a pain in the ass to run/repair/fund and keep running and will kill their own crew if they don't have the levels and skills for it. so its not like low level players can just use it to cruise through the game.
its for high stakes 'arc endings' or a tool for high level games that has their own downsides.
It was mentioned in the End Times.