The name used for them would shift based on circumstances. In canon, they become known as the Bokha Palace Guard after Boris renovates the hell out of the Bokha Palace, which is currently really the Palace Gospodarin with only the most basic of repairs done to the damage left by the Great War Against Chaos. Currently they're usually called the Kreml Guard because they're more loyal to Boris than they are to the Tzar. It would also be technically correct to call them Kossars, because currently most of them are recruited from the Kossar tribes and the word hasn't yet become genericized to mean 'professional infantry'.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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The name used for them would shift based on circumstances. In canon, they become known as the Bokha Palace Guard after Boris renovates the hell out of the Bokha Palace, which is currently really the Palace Gospodarin with only the most basic of repairs done to the damage left by the Great War Against Chaos. Currently they're usually called the Kreml Guard because they're more loyal to Boris than they are to the Tzar. It would also be technically correct to call them Kossars, because currently most of them are recruited from the Kossar tribes and the word hasn't yet become genericized to mean 'professional infantry'.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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...So what's the Kreml?
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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The hill the Tzar's palace is built on. Also known as the Hill of Heroes.
It's Kislevarin (and Russian) for 'Citadel'. Once they also guarded the other citadels of Kislev: Erengrad, Praag, and Castle Alexandronov. These days Erengard has the Streltsi, Praag just has a city watch, and Castle Alexandronov has only a basic garrison.
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Mopman43
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In Realm of the Ice Queen, the Hill of Heroes is the Gora Geroyev, but Kreml is never mentioned.
Even beyond the fact that most of Claws of the Great Bear was pretty thoroughly retconned by RotIQ, it's in that pre-6th edition spot in the publishing history where you can't assume it's quest-canon according to Boney's previously stated rules.
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A world without modern lighting is downright incomprehensible to modern people.
Like, torches suck. They're just pretty bad at actually lighting stuff up. I went on a walk with just a torch for silvester in the vicinity of a small village, and I'm honestly not sure whether the extra light was worth fouling my nightsight. Probably more helpfull on a night with less moonlight and further from other lightsources, but still not that great.
There's a reason why people thought the night was the worst, scariest thing. You just couldn't see shit. People regularly died because they stumbled on something and fell into a ditch. And that mysterious figure could be anyone until they actually said something.
EDIT: Thinking about it, this is one aspect where people are genuinely different. All the big ticket items? Society, culture, religion, money, politics? It feels so very familiar when you read accounts. People drew dicks on walls two thousand years ago, excused themselves from unwanted parties because they had to embalm grandma four thousand years ago, and complained about shitty merchants five thousand years ago. It feels like you could replace a few words, and then people could swap watercooler stories with no one noticing a difference.
But some of those subtle things that are so fundamental that you never see them, they have changed. Lighting is one. That you can have whatever food you want, fresh and whenever, might be another. And the presence of clocks everywhere and the corresponding awareness of fine slices of time is another.
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Its GW being lazy and slapping down a Fantasy Kremlin into Kislev, then being lazier and just removing the in at the end for naming.
In other words, typical GW naming scheme.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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The Kreml (and Kreml Guard) only appeared in Claws of the Great Bear, which was an army list from Citadel Journal in the late 90s that has had minimal influence on Kislev going forward.
I know what the Kreml was then, but I was asking what the Kreml is in-quest- and it's not that.
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Lol people underestimating the flask. I'd note we went to the bright college and said "give me the most powerful thing you have" and spent twice as much on it as we did on the seed of regrowth that literally brings us back from the dead.
If it can't level a decent sized inn in a single blast, I'd be suprised.
If it can't level a decent sized inn in a single blast, I'd be suprised.
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It has the strength to blow up a single tree if I remember right.
Codex
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Perhaps relevant to your efforts to discredit that journal, Andy Hall was recently featured on a Podcast where he answered some questions about Total Warhammer 3 and modern GW lore. Baba Yaga is not canon, but there is an equivalent new character by the name of Mother Ostankya, and from the way Andy's been talking about her it seems like it's a possible tease to her being an LL or something.
Huh... that would be really great. That us a very common trope and character in folklore, even beyond the bounds of Baba Yaga, you can see echoes of her in the Witch in Hansel and Gretel as well as the stories of other countries. Like for instance in Romania where I am from you find her less as a witch and more as 'Saint Friday'... oddly enough that is the same day that in Germanic languages is named for Frey and Freya.... the fertility gods. Strange coincidence that
If there is one thing that Warhammer does right IMO it is the way in which it handles that sort of folklore. It may have issues in the rest of the world but you can tell they did their homework at least when it came to the fundamentals of the Old World's RL basis.
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[x] Bring in the Kreml Guard
[x] Investigate the missing leyline
No, that's actually a correct way. I'm honestly baffled where did the "in" come from in the English word, it's completely absent in Russian.
[x] Investigate the missing leyline
No, that's actually a correct way. I'm honestly baffled where did the "in" come from in the English word, it's completely absent in Russian.
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I was curious enough to go digging and apparently the word entered Western European languages centuries ago when ь was a short i, and kremlĭ picked up an n somewhere in the Holy Roman Empire to become 'kremelin' in Middle German and 'cremlin' in Middle French.
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I just had a thought as to why the witches may have 'talked us up'. I do not think it was saving the life of one of their own alone, think about what Mathilde did for the rest of the expedition, Rite of Way and what that means. Kislev is a wide and thinly peopled land that lives and dies by its mobility. Now imagine how they would see Rite of Way, a spell able to take the lumbering rolling fortresses of the dwarfs and let them keep peace with cavalry on all terrain.
Lopezelpesado
Space worm best worm.
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Lopezelpesado
Space worm best worm.
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My brain is very tired right now and your name rhymes with honey I dont see the cause of confusion.
K von Carstein
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Minor rectification, in French we write « kremlin »😉
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Clearly we need honey for the bears. Because we're in Kislev, or something.
