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There's an entire Elven force out there and we don't know what it is or what they want.

[X] Tsarevich Boris Bokha

I think she's likely jumping into a political situation as much as a military one, and showing up with the Prince would keep the most options open.
 
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There's an entire Elven force out there and we don't know what it is or what they want.

[X] Tsarevich Boris Bokha

I think she's likely jumping into a political situation as much as a military one, and showing up with the Prince would keep the most options open.

Fey force, Drycha hates the asrai. She is also unlikely to engage in politics as her motivation is more on the 'blood for the blood trees' side of things
 
I strongly disagree with this assesment. I believe he was saying that the Kossars would obey him, because their true loyalty is to him, rather than his father. Based on what has been mentioned so far, it sounds like the current Tsar is ignoring a lot of Kislev, leaving room for an ambitious prince born under good omens to make connections and garner loyalty.



"They know they are mine"—they are loyal to me.

Nowhere in his speech does he threaten anybody—he simply states that they will obey him or otherwise cooperate.
Could be. But he's also talking about kicking the Erengrad elves out of Erengrad if they don't play ball, and as DragonParadox said he's a Peter the Great expy. It's the vibe I got from him, I admit it's not a sure thing, but that's how I read it.

Fey force, Drycha hates the asrai.
So we assume, but we don't actually know. Mathilde considers both possibilities:
An Asrai warhost or a murder of Dryads, and it would be difficult to say which would be the greater evil.
There are good reasons to suspect Drycha, but Mathilde knows none of them, and we should really ignore that kind of meta knowledge when voting.
 
So we assume, but we don't actually know. Mathilde considers both possibilities:

There are good reasons to suspect Drycha, but Mathilde knows none of them, and we should really ignore that kind of meta knowledge when voting.

The speaking of meta concerns the GM said he cannot think of any courses of action that would be open for Drycha, but not other forms of powerful evil fey.

To put it another way Mathilde characterized Athel Loren to Belegar as 'the land of daemons, trees and daemon trees', she has sensed that the one in charge is a fey spirit and filled with old wrongs. If the question was 'will they negotiate with Astrai?' the precise identity of the dryad might matter, as is... no I do not think any politics or negotiations are possible. These are ancient alien and hateful beings that will not talk to humans anymore than a human would talk to a rat in their pantry.
 
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Could be. But he's also talking about kicking the Erengrad elves out of Erengrad if they don't play ball, and as DragonParadox said he's a Peter the Great expy. It's the vibe I got from him, I admit it's not a sure thing, but that's how I read it.
Let's put aside whether Boris is actually a Peter the Great expy or not. Even if he was, this character:
Stanisława Skłodowicz: High Wizard of Middenheim, alchemist looking for the Universal Solvent. Published a paper on the applications of the Lustrian Salamander's saliva that Mathilda brought to the colleges. Name is Kislevite. Heavily focused on her own projects and doesn't seem to pay attention to much else, but still knows some of the politics of the Colleges and is willing to help Mathilde with some basic support as long as it benefits her by reducing Ulrican stigma against the Colleges.
Is explicitly a Marie Curie reference from Boney
A Kislevite Marie Curie, yes.
And Boney's pointed out that just because she's a reference to a real life historical figure:
Her being called that is a reference, not a destiny.
That she wasn't going to be discovering Radium and Pollonium.
Whoa what? I didn't know this. This is important. Now I'm more conflicted. Instead of two options that sound good to me there are three.
It's a shame you don't know about the Hag Spell involving Bear Piss:

"The target drinks the bear's urine, allowing you to attack any spirits of the Dark Gods inhabiting him. Make a Challenging (–10) Will Power Test. If the target is living and willing, the test is successful, and if the target succeeds on a Challenging (–10) Toughness Test, he loses one mutation of your choice. However, the power of Chaos is not easily dismissed; the mutation returns if the target ever fails a Toughness Test by 30 or more." Page 116 Realm of the Ice Queen the spell "Cleanse Soul"
 
He gets compared to Peter the Great, but at least as far as Realm of the Ice Queen ever stated, he didn't really seem to involve himself in any real oppression or really try to oppose the systems of Kislev.

It's his daughter that's struggling to centralize in the face of the Boyar nobility and Atamans of the Oblast.
 
He gets compared to Peter the Great, but at least as far as Realm of the Ice Queen ever stated, he didn't really seem to involve himself in any real oppression or really try to oppose the systems of Kislev.

It's his daughter that's struggling to centralize in the face of the Boyar nobility and Atamans of the Oblast.
From a cursory look, the Peter the Great thing seems to come from him modernising Kislev after a long period of the nation lagging behind, but the actual treatment of civilians under his rule is never elaborated on. Tzarina Katarin is the one who challenges the reign of the Boyars, Boris is just mentioned as being loved by everyone. I think he was called "Boris the Beloved" at some point. Most of the focus on his story is about the Urskin story than his actual edicts and rulings during his reign.
 
Let's put aside whether Boris is actually a Peter the Great expy or not. Even if he was, this character:

Is explicitly a Marie Curie reference from Boney

And Boney's pointed out that just because she's a reference to a real life historical figure:

That she wasn't going to be discovering Radium and Pollonium.
I get that, I'm just talking about the vibe I got from him and why I read his words as I did. And the whole 'evict the elves from Erengrad' thing lends credence to that read, in my opinion.

The speaking of meta concerns the GM said he cannot think of any courses of action that would be open for Drycha, but not other forms of powerful evil fey.

To put it another way Mathilde characterized Athel Loren to Belegar as 'the land of daemons, trees and daemon trees', she has sensed that the one in charge is a fey spirit and filled with old wrongs. If the question was 'will they negotiate with Astrai?' the precise identity of the dryad might matter, as is... no I do not think any politics or negotiations are possible. These are ancient alien and hateful beings that will not talk to humans anymore than a human would talk to a rat in their pantry.
I'm not sure what you're saying? Is your point that any force from Athel Loren is not open to diplomacy or something? Regardless of whether or not that's true, I don't see how this has anything to do with my point about Mathilde not having any reason to think it's Drycha or Dryads specifically.
 
How do religious authorities have any authority over any monarch? By force of tradition, that is after all the source of the prince's power as well though his father the king
Usually through being effectively a powerful lord with their own armies, land, and huge amounts of wealth. Plus having popular support, and therefore being able to convince the populace not to obey the monarch. But pulling those levers is a risky proposition, especially over a relatively minor matter.
 
I get that, I'm just talking about the vibe I got from him and why I read his words as I did. And the whole 'evict the elves from Erengrad' thing lends credence to that read, in my opinion.
I mean, sure. If you ignore literally everything else and zoom in on that specific line, it supports what you're saying and it makes him look like an oppressive despot. I'm sure you could also do the same to Mathilde and make her out to be a manipulative politician too.
 
I'm not sure what you're saying? Is your point that any force from Athel Loren is not open to diplomacy or something? Regardless of whether or not that's true, I don't see how this has anything to do with my point about Mathilde not having any reason to think it's Drycha or Dryads specifically.

My point is that any force lead by one of the fey filled with hatred (which is indicated by the vision she had) would not negotiate with humans. Even if I did not know what a Drycha was that would read as 'blood for the blood trees' and the result would be 'bring all the torches'.
 
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I mean, sure. If you ignore literally everything else and zoom in on that specific line, it supports what you're saying and it makes him look like an oppressive despot. I'm sure you could also do the same to Mathilde and make her out to be a manipulative politician too.

I mean she is... both manipulative and a politician, for good reason mind but that does not make it any less true.
 
I mean, sure. If you ignore literally everything else and zoom in on that specific line, it supports what you're saying and it makes him look like an oppressive despot. I'm sure you could also do the same to Mathilde and make her out to be a manipulative politician too.
I mean, honestly, I said it's my opinion, I hedged my statement with "I think his words imply", and I'm 'zooming in on a specific line to make him look like an oppresive despot'? Come on. It's a possible reading of the text, it's not the only reading but it's not crazy.
 
I mean she is... both manipulative and a politician, for good reason mind but that does not make it any less true.
You know exactly what I mean, but I believe you're choosing to be pedantic and getting stuck in the wording. When you call someone a manipulative politician you're referring to who they are as a person. Defining character traits. As much as Mathilde has had to exercise those aspects lately she is not defined by them in any way shape or form.

No, I don't want to get involved in an argument involving terminology. If you're going to get into the weeds, then I'll just say right now I'm not up for it.
 
Hag Witches: They likely have little to offer us outside their magical knowledge. There is some very, very slight chance they could have some hint to the Karag Dum mystery, since Beastmen are something they know about and the current events are possibly related to Karag Dum, but I really wouldn't count on it.
One additional thing they can do is make the Hedgewise we will potentially recruit feel more comfortable (and vice versa). I don't know how much that matters though.
He's also based near the Kislev Waystone which has been cut off from the Waystones in Ostermark, which may be relevant to the mission if it turns out that power is used by the Athel Loren forces.
@Boney Are the Athel Loren forces geographically in between Kislev and the Taalite holy site? Like if you were to draw a (ley)line in between?
Ice Witches: They are probably already working on the case with the local authorities, so they are likely to know quite a bit about the current situation and have a large part in the official response to it.
I am not so sure about this. The Ice Witches might potentially barely know more than the Longshanks. Depends on how good their relationship with the local Hags is I guess.

Overall I like your analysis a lot. But I feel like one section is missing. Namely potential risk to Mathilde. Both when it comes to political fallout from fuckups and when it comes to likelihood to ending up physically fighting Drycha's forces or Drycha herself.
Shitpost-bragging aside; I don't disagree with him, or am unsympathetic to his perspective, but I am glad we don't have that pressure he would have created hanging over our heads regardless of how reasonable-given-his-circumstances he's being.
Eh. I could go either way. The mix of pressure and leased power would definitely have made for an interesting and exiting Quest.
Nowhere in his speech does he threaten anybody—he simply states that they will obey him or otherwise cooperate.
Maybe mathymancer is conflating it with his implied threat to the Kislevite Elves?
Huh. On the one hand, a boss calling his subordinates dumb is kinda messed up, but on the other, this sort of consideration for people who are still learning their job and need direction when something new comes up—which has more to do with education than intelligence—is really nice to see, even in fiction. Having been in that learning position a few times myself it's good to have a trainer that doesn't mind questions.
To be fair, some people genuinely have learning and reasoning difficulties. And the range from "average" to "disability" is a spectrum in which people can fall across the whole line.
It's a shame you don't know about the Hag Spell involving Bear Piss:

"The target drinks the bear's urine, allowing you to attack any spirits of the Dark Gods inhabiting him. Make a Challenging (–10) Will Power Test. If the target is living and willing, the test is successful, and if the target succeeds on a Challenging (–10) Toughness Test, he loses one mutation of your choice. However, the power of Chaos is not easily dismissed; the mutation returns if the target ever fails a Toughness Test by 30 or more." Page 116 Realm of the Ice Queen the spell "Cleanse Soul"
I did in fact not know about this and it is charming knowledge to have. So thank you. That said, this is a far cry from cleansing the land from Chaos/Dhar taint in a manner akin to Waystones. It seems more like a flavorful form of exorcism, something I know Light Wizards to be capable of and I believe various Imperial Priests to be capable of as well.
 
I did in fact not know about this and it is charming knowledge to have. So thank you. That said, this is a far cry from cleansing the land from Chaos/Dhar taint in a manner akin to Waystones. It seems more like a flavorful form of exorcism, something I know Light Wizards to be capable of and I believe various Imperial Priests to be capable of as well.

Light wizards cannot cure mutation, as far as I know that spell is unique in that regard.
 
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