The Elven Smiths use Chamon and Aqshy. We have no evidence of Elves ever using Divine Magic as humans do. I suppose you could make the argument that they could always cast Divine Magic it's just never present in any of the source material and we have absolutely no idea about it IC because the Elves have a complete arsenal of everything that ever exists magic wise and they choose to not reveal it, in which case, sure they might.
Where was it stated that the elves dedicated to Vaul use holy power?
I meant more the vaul smith's in the cave we are not allowed at. Not the normal ones, the blind ones.
Deathfang isn't an Elf. Asarnil had absolutely no idea about Mathilde's divine energies until Deathfang said it. Assuming that because Deathfang can see divine energies that Elves can see them too is a bit of a flawed concept.
I'll note that that was due to Ranald performing a miracle himself - Mathilde didn't do any channelling of that.
Yes I'm talking about the blind ones. They use Chamon and Aqshy. They're just really good at it. There's nothing explicitly divine about it.
The everqueen has done more then a few miracles that go beyond 'best at lore of life' in the lore.
How do we know that? Is that in quest or from the books?
I think the idea was since he saw it as an elven god's energy, he would have had to have seen such energies before. Though I guess Deathfangs old enough that it could have been from seeing actual Loec.
Page 82 of Archives of the Empire where these smiths come from:
Asarnil also is not a mage.
Mathilde wasn't channeling Ranald like a priest there though, she was just being blessed by him. Unless I've misunderstood the debate is about whether elves can cast magic like a priest, elven gods helping their followers the same way Ranald helps Mathilde doesn't mean that elves have miracle casting priests
The Everqueen uses a mixture of Ghyran, Hysh and Qhaysh and is absolutely inundated with blessings and artifacts. I don't even know where the magic and the divine even begins or ends in that mess. Trying to decipher what is just magic or what is divine gets hard at that point. I know for sure that her artifacts are divine in nature, and she has a few blessings that could be magical or could be divine. I just don't know if that counts as Divine Magic the way that humans do it. The nature of Elven souls being what it is, it probably isn't. Elven Gods have Avatars, but they don't give priests miracles the normal way.
I'd say she's definitely divinely-empowered, but like, there's no Miracles of Isha or whatever like there is for the Old World Pantheon.
It's like Valten. He was definitely divinely empowered and had stuff that could reasonably be tracked to Sigmar, but was it divine magic he was wielding? Or just an enchancement? The whole "grit your teeth and tough out your mortal wounds" thing could be magical, or it could be him just being an absolute beast. The inspiration aura could be magical, or it could be just the result of the soldiers of the Empire believing Sigmar reborn to be fighting alognside them. It gets pretty hard to track divine blessings at a certain point when they choose to be obtuse.
It was not my intention that elves have them, i am mostly working on the idea that elves can channel magic through them, and i feel that they would be unable to channel that magic in a more intentional way is not well grounded.
It is fairly obvious she is not a priest the same way humans have priests.
Or in other words, how to speed run the 'get smites' any% category!
Some pre selection when building the sample groups is necessary.
Your mention of witch elves reminds me--one of the early Malus Darkblade books has a priest of Khaine using quite a bit of divine magic, but that book is both pre-7th edition and has had other parts of it retconned in the past, so it's entirely possible that elf divine caster priests went into the same pit as dwarf necromancer priests.
