Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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[x] The Order of Light
Having the Matriarch of the Light Order well-disposed towards us will be of great benefit in the future. Look at us, promoting inter-college relations - between rival colleges too!
Besides, we all know the real thing we're after here is Algard headpats. Assassinating a chaos-corrupted former Elector Count is one thing, but having a Light Matriarch well inclined towards the Grey Order? That's much more difficult to obtain, and the headpat bounty will be increased accordingly.
Having the Matriarch of the Light Order well-disposed towards us will be of great benefit in the future. Look at us, promoting inter-college relations - between rival colleges too!
Besides, we all know the real thing we're after here is Algard headpats. Assassinating a chaos-corrupted former Elector Count is one thing, but having a Light Matriarch well inclined towards the Grey Order? That's much more difficult to obtain, and the headpat bounty will be increased accordingly.
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If he needed help, he'd ask for it. But Mathilde will probably travel with him at least part of the way east.
Hard to tell. Nobody looks their best after being decapitated.
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- New York
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[X] The Longshanks
Because I feel it's the most insulting to Alric, to get shown up entirely by the locals.
Because I feel it's the most insulting to Alric, to get shown up entirely by the locals.
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- Earth, probably.
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- None/Any
[X] The Longshanks
[X] The Order of Light
[X] The Templars of Sigmar
I am legitimately struggling to decide which of these three I'd prefer.
[X] The Order of Light
[X] The Templars of Sigmar
I am legitimately struggling to decide which of these three I'd prefer.
Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
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Locals that he himself could have worked with, if he hadn't been more concerned with self-aggrandizement than getting results. Which, if you think about it, highlights why he's a poor leader for his College. More than any other, the College of Light is about the efforts of the group.
The thing is, the Cults the Taalites were fighting weren't older than them, the history we have says that organised religions of various gods started at around the same time, producing a lot of priests of individual gods who then fought each other while forming cults of those gods, who promptly went into Cult-bowl against any cults of gods with overlapping portfolios.
It wasn't quite winner take all, but this was an era before Sigmar had written Reikspeil created - it's noted that the only cults who had any written texts didn't write them internally, they had to rely on the (Classical god of Tilean enclaves) Cult of Verena to write them:
In such a context, while it's possible, it would be pretty hard for the Taleutens to recover much written material from the Cults they destroyed. Both because there wouldn't have been much written material to discover, and because they may not have cared to preserve it when they specifically wanted to suppress their practices.
Given the other Cults relied on the Cult of Verena to produce their texts, they'd seem like the best option, as I can't believe they didn't make copies…
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TaliesinSkye
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[X] Yourself
[X] The Order of Light
[X] The Order of Light
So off topic, but this is honestly a better place to ask the WFRP thread: has anyone download the BLOOD AND BRAMBLE spell supplement and is it worth it?
I've rolled a hedgewise for my next character (RIP Jonas the begger, hopefully, those Orcs were quick.) and have been eyeing that book for more spells.
but Ive already been burned with the last spellbook being 97% a reprint of 2ed spells.
If it's at least a few new spells I'll get it, the short PDFs aren't expensive, or if no one in the thread has it already I'll take the plunge and give a Codex style review. (well, try)
I've rolled a hedgewise for my next character (RIP Jonas the begger, hopefully, those Orcs were quick.) and have been eyeing that book for more spells.
but Ive already been burned with the last spellbook being 97% a reprint of 2ed spells.
If it's at least a few new spells I'll get it, the short PDFs aren't expensive, or if no one in the thread has it already I'll take the plunge and give a Codex style review. (well, try)
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
Untill we actually start the project we are not getting anything. It is one of the reason I am pushing for Lay the Foundation option. It will determine what we need and probably who funds what as well.
Untill that happens we are not seeing a penny.
The thing is I do not expect destroying a rival cult literally meant 'burn everything to the ground and salt the earth'. The Taalites were based off of 'your god is really Taal so you should listen to us'. People being people I imagine quite a few of the priests of those destroyed cults and whatever orally transited lore they might have did and so it some part of it passed to the Cult of Taal. Even if they nature gods they were worshiping were not that much older, they did not pop out of the ether, but were based on older traditions. Tribal societies of all sorts would be inclined to make nature gods because they lived in nature, so there would be for lack of a better word a cycle of inheritance, no different from say the Jades inheriting the Druidic lore.
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[X] The Longshanks
Ulric: About time you got yourself a champion worth a damn, brother. Someone without magic would be even better, but at least she knows when to get close and personal. I also heard that you followed her example and tried to punch Khorne up north. We'll make a warrior out of you yet! On that note, you should probably start coming to the gym with me, Chaos fuckers are all heavyweights, even that nerd Tzeentch.
Akasha
The Only Truth
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There's been plenty of Als in this quest. Thankfully, Albrecht is easier to remember than Alcatraz.
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- Mexico
[X] The Templars of Sigmar
I'm going to go against the grain on this one, i think they actually helped and deserve some credit, and it feels like a nice olive branch, maybe Sigmar can still redeem himself after all.
Also, i think the fish knife is a clue, not sure where it points to, maybe he was hiding with Norscans or the local fishery.
Clearly using Cythons theory, this is evidence that Ranald is in fact a facet of Tzeentch, Ulric most be Khorne and that leaves Taal as Nurgle.
Unless of course Slaanesh is really Tzeentch, who knew we would realize this and planned around it to mud the waters.
I'm going to go against the grain on this one, i think they actually helped and deserve some credit, and it feels like a nice olive branch, maybe Sigmar can still redeem himself after all.
Also, i think the fish knife is a clue, not sure where it points to, maybe he was hiding with Norscans or the local fishery.
Clearly using Cythons theory, this is evidence that Ranald is in fact a facet of Tzeentch, Ulric most be Khorne and that leaves Taal as Nurgle.
Unless of course Slaanesh is really Tzeentch, who knew we would realize this and planned around it to mud the waters.
If Tome of Salvation is to be believed, a lot of Cult conflict was resolved by the expedient of simply killing all the rival Cult's priests and using that as proof of your gods' superiority. It wasn't that other gods were really Taal, it was that Taal was King of Nature and these other gods were interlopers in his domain. They didn't deny the independent existence of other gods. They denied their legitimacy, I think. They didn't claim Ahalt was Taal, they claimed that he was false.
On the subject of the gods' age, it's not that the gods were young, it's that the idea of priests and cults were young. Previously each tribe had their own pantheon whom the chieftain was responsible for dealing with. The idea of priests of individual gods and priest being a separate job to the tribal leader in general was the novelty. Most of the gods of those tribal pantheons were forgotten when the Cults of the gods that won destroyed the Cults of the gods that lost. We don't know who the gods of winter of the other tribes' pantheons were, explicitly because the Teutogen priests of Ulric killed all their cultists and erased them from the historical record.
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K von Carstein
Likes to go for a walk
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Good point. Even without that I'd push to do the Foundation, because I just want to begin the project already. It has been months irl since we choose it, and we've barely begin.
Well in that I do not much trust Tome of Salvation then, there is a lot of Syncretism going on in modern Warhammer. I do not find it very credible that the cults behaved so differently in the past when they would have has fewer resources, fewer people and fewer potentials to induct as priests. 'Taal smash' feels very revisionist to me because it is a narrative that very cleanly extricates the cult of Taal from being 'contaminated by other gods'. Of course we have only worshiped Taal and we drove all the interlopers out of every wood... all across the empire, while starting as a local river god in one province, we were just that awesome.
In this kind of polytheistic society it is a lot more likely to absorb other cults than destroy them.
Also there is the minor thing of that stone with Taal and the Phoenix and Ulric, even if the cult really is that young the god himself is much much older, old enough to have seen the coming of Chaos.
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I don't think Mathilde is choosing who to give credit to strategically or anything. I think she's just picking who's been nicest to her:
[ ] The Templars of Sigmar
They helped where it counted. Grudgingly, sure, and they weren't very nice about it either. But they helped.
[ ] The Order of Light
On the one hand, Mira did give two Lord Magisters for the project, which is a lot. But on the other hand, she made Mathilde work for it in a way that's embroiled her in College Politics.
[ ] The Longshanks
They were friendly right from the start and had no hesitation about working with two Grey Magisters. And they helped us directly and instrumentally with the hunt. They should work on their howling, though.
[ ] Yourself
Trust no one, not even yourself. /meme
[ ] The Templars of Sigmar
They helped where it counted. Grudgingly, sure, and they weren't very nice about it either. But they helped.
[ ] The Order of Light
On the one hand, Mira did give two Lord Magisters for the project, which is a lot. But on the other hand, she made Mathilde work for it in a way that's embroiled her in College Politics.
[ ] The Longshanks
They were friendly right from the start and had no hesitation about working with two Grey Magisters. And they helped us directly and instrumentally with the hunt. They should work on their howling, though.
[ ] Yourself
Trust no one, not even yourself. /meme