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Yeah I don't see the point in going for further existing battle magics when inventing our own is ultimately far more effective.
And, honestly, way cooler.
And, honestly, way cooler.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Or something along the lines of letting a performer get ready in privacy before the big show?
I think the only advantage arcane khazalid might have is that it makes it easier for us to understand what thorek might mean, but I honestly trust thorek to be able to express complex ideas in normal khazalid if not reikspeak.
And for battlemagic? Well making our own spell is also inceadible hard, we had amazing rolls with our one try and it was not really grand battle magic. Being able to say "vanish" to a regiment and have it plummet into the shadows sounds like a skill that we should have.
And for battlemagic? Well making our own spell is also inceadible hard, we had amazing rolls with our one try and it was not really grand battle magic. Being able to say "vanish" to a regiment and have it plummet into the shadows sounds like a skill that we should have.
Sinsystems
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You know I sort of want to see the Alaric negaverse right about now. Since odds are they haven't really had much info on Mathilde beyond rumors and the like, only for this to happen.
Then I can see them looking deeper, find out what Mathilde has been up to in the Waystone project and also how Mathilde has some political connections in very high places.
Would be very interesting to see the incorrect conclusions the thread would come up with.
Then I can see them looking deeper, find out what Mathilde has been up to in the Waystone project and also how Mathilde has some political connections in very high places.
Would be very interesting to see the incorrect conclusions the thread would come up with.
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I'm entirely on board with learning All The Things, but there is going to be some necessary triage and prioritization considering the magnitude of the task.
For instance, if we can't shake loose the Gambler and the favor for a one on one tutoring by Melkoth or even more suitable LM(or Grey Lord conceivably), that battle magic can is going to get kicked down the road.
For instance, if we can't shake loose the Gambler and the favor for a one on one tutoring by Melkoth or even more suitable LM(or Grey Lord conceivably), that battle magic can is going to get kicked down the road.
That is totally fair, I don't say we need to learn all the BM right now. I Just don't like the categorically "no and don't ask again." that any mention of BM gets. Like waiting until we have less planed is totally valid.
totally fair.
its the 'no and dont ask', as if we don't understand that there are risks, that gets annoying.
Mathy is a bloody wizard, there are always risks.
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Yeah, this is a pretty clear indicator that there's more to Arcane Khazalid than just a language.
Worth noting - Magic can form speech in the elf-based languages - but cannot form writing in them - and can form writing in the dwarf language - but we have no evidence it can form speech in that.
Both the elf and dwarf languages seem to ultimately come from the Old Ones.
It seems very plausible to me that to the Old Ones they were the written and spoken forms of the same language, but the dwarves developed a spoken form from what they read, and elves a written form from what they heard.
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One possible compromise I can see between ALL THE BATTLE MAGIC and WE'RE GOING TO DIE is to attempt the elven slow-learning method. Meditate on the nature, lore and composition of a single spell over the course of several actions stretched across multiple turns (1 action every turn for 6 turns as a basic example) and only then attempt the cast.
The quote your talking about is saying that both runes and khazalid come from the same source (the ancestor gods) and is therefore compatible, it does not say that khazalid got formed by magic or that the old ones have anything to do with it...
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"It's a mist opportunity."
The college is built in a featureless grey void. I think that, given Mathilde's specialty, it's pretty clear what she sees in that. The problem there is the "featureless." The void would be much more impressive if there was some kind of creepy fog floating around everyone's ankles. In other words,
"It's a mist opportunity."
Mopman43
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I can accept a risk of learning magic, but with BM, casting it is a risk that never goes away, barring getting extremely lucky (see, Staff of Mistery).
The average lifespan of a Battle Wizard is single-digit years. And that's for people who are dedicating their entire existence to casting battle-magic.
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It explicitly says that Khazalid writing can be formed by magic. Specifically by rune-magic, but that's still a subset of magic.
The connection to the Old Ones is simple - if we don't assume that the Ancestor Gods invented literally everything anew, and forgot everything that the prior generation of Dawi had learnt from their creators, there will be carry over from the Old Ones.
There are other possible explanations of course - for instance, that the Ancestor Gods painstakingly, manually, programmed the entire language into the metaphysical mechanisms of runework.
... no this is talking about that runes and khazalid are so compatible that you can make a runic dictator to write down your notes... thats what that quote is about, Mathilde trying to come up with a way to not have to write...
runes literally got discovered/invented by thungni when he (probably) stumbled into a pocked of the warp... the glittering realm... like runes are specifically something the ancestors found/invented.
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If you can make a runic dictator to write down your notes, then it's possible to use (runic) magic to write in Khazalid, no?
Yes, and the Ancestor Gods also supposedly invented: Engineering, Mining, Smelting Metal, Brewing, etc.
The Ancestor Gods have a lot of deeds attributed to them, some more plausible than others. The claim that they invented the entire written language, with no basis in a previous language, is definitely on the less plausible end.
If we could learn both Arcane Khazalid and Anoqeyan we might well discover something interesting linking the two. Or, we might not. But I think there's enough potential there that it's worth considering.
Aranfan
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If we did, we wouldn't be able to tell anyone.
except it would only be used when its the better, more statistically likely to work out then swording and army in the face, option in a fight, I really, really don't like the 'if we learn it, mathy will start using it recklessly until a miscast' that the underlying implication of that argument.
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... You do know that different cultures developed differently to each other in whf? Like while the Dwarfs were having their golden time the humans were barely tribes of hunter gatherers without even the rudimentary knowledge of what written language is...
edit: like i wouldn't put it past them to have a hand in developing khazalid. but we cant say for certain because dwarven history doesn't go that far back...
And about writing magically in khazalid... Maybe? If your a wizard who's also on the levels of thungni in runesmithing you certainly have a shot... But it's a bit unrealistic isn't it?
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Mopman43
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It's Battlemagic, it's always the better option in a fight. That's why it exists.
If Mathilde could have dropped a Pit of Shades on the Slanneshi force I expect she'd have done it in a heartbeat.
Aranfan
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Ehh, I'm pretty sure Slaaneshi demons have pretty high init scores, so Miasma is actually superior to Pit there.
no? its the better option in a grand battle... you know... battle magic... but most of what we do is sneaking behind lines and assassination... learning BM would just mean that we are not relegated to pure infantry while in great battles...
Mopman43
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We're not on tabletop, nobody has an initiative score.
You drop it in the middle of a formation, not everybody is going to be able to dodge. They'd run into each other. My opinion at least.
We've got the Miasma. We aren't pure infantry. And we can spam it like no tomorrow.
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Sure, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be useful knowledge to have when facilitating co-operation between people who use Arcane Khazalid to carve magic, and people who use Anoqeyan to shape magic verbally.
Are you forgetting that the Old Ones, who created both dwarves and elves, had language and taught it to their early creations? (They may not have got around to teaching Halflings and Ogres anything, but they definitely taught both Elves and Dwarves)
Humanity spread out, with some groups losing much of their former knowledge because it was no longer useful, but they never lost the concept of language and then independently reinvented it like you seem to be suggesting Dwarves did.
Mathilde literally says in the quote that "Dwarven runes could perform this easily"
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