@Boney, if we recruited some group like the Longshanks to help us scour the city. Would it be possible for any of them to join us at the Spa if we don't end up finding anything before the murder? Presumably it would be much less than if we had them already in position, but a couple extra hands could be useful.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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While we can't track the thread of the ritual back, would it be possible to spend several days camped out in roughly the southeast side of a city to look for that thread, seeking to confirm or rule out that we have the right city?
To me, it seems like Alric has a decent plan for stopping this if he can prevent the murder. The best way I can see to interfere with that plan is to track down Alberich before the murder can happen. Given that we've narrowed it down to two cities, we could just manhunt both of them, but it'd be tidier if we can rule out one of the cities and launch a manhunt in the other. That, and it could catch if we've made a bad assumption, and Alberich is in neither of the cities.
Failing that, spending the next two weeks running a manhunt seems like the way to go here.
To me, it seems like Alric has a decent plan for stopping this if he can prevent the murder. The best way I can see to interfere with that plan is to track down Alberich before the murder can happen. Given that we've narrowed it down to two cities, we could just manhunt both of them, but it'd be tidier if we can rule out one of the cities and launch a manhunt in the other. That, and it could catch if we've made a bad assumption, and Alberich is in neither of the cities.
Failing that, spending the next two weeks running a manhunt seems like the way to go here.
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Yes? Days is less than a week. We have two weeks and two cities to search. It would be deeply risky, I'm fully aware, but if the shadowsteed travel time is less than, say, five days out of fourteen, it should at least be plausible.
Maybe reread all the posts Boney has already made in response to this train of thought again before continuing this? It was already addressed why that doesn't work.
ConfusedCanuck
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So do we go to the source of the ritual and stop it now that we know what's going on?
Edit and never mind saw how that is not an option.
Edit and never mind saw how that is not an option.
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Enthusiast#117
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So the solutions I'm leaning towards are A: forcing Alric to split credit by publicly joining him, or B: showing Alric up by waiting in the wings and swooping in to save the day when he gets over his head, or...
Are the murders happening at a distance (through proxies) or does Alberich have to show up and do them in person?
Is simply assassinating him when he shows up at the appointed time a feasible option?
Are the murders happening at a distance (through proxies) or does Alberich have to show up and do them in person?
Is simply assassinating him when he shows up at the appointed time a feasible option?
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Speaker4thesilen
Superpower: Common Sense
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I really like the way this highlights what an awful, awful position being hunted by the Grey College is. In less than two months, a pair of sufficiently motivated wizards have stripped away the secrecy protecting a powerful chaos cultist: uncovered his plans, identified his patron(or at least ruled out the other three), and even identified the specific ritual he is working. They've essentially won the information war and now have the opportunity to hammer the bastard before he can complete the ritual.
We have to try to find the guy which is going to be difficult since he appears to be hiding in possibility of 2 different cities of tens of thousands.
ConfusedCanuck
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Yeah typed that out before I saw any other post so I didn't think of that.
I do not think Alaric will accept help if offered. The thing is he has a solid plan and looks to be winning. On top of Mathilde stilling his slave/apprentice Engrimm. This may get him back into power so why ask for help. I think it just be better to get some witch hunters than ambush the target before it happens.
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so the reverse would be getting the poor sap swallowed by a fish?
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No. No it wasn't. I went back and checked to be sure.
Boney's point was that we couldn't *follow* the trail in reasonable time. What I'm trying to say is, we already have a decent idea of where Alberich is, so what if we gambled and skipped all the intermediate tracking, only searching at the suspected endpoint(s)?
If the answer was indeed 'nah, even if he was there trying to find him by windsight of the ritual is too imprecise', I'd have shut up already. Instead, the focus was on the time required. Which, again, as best I can tell would be scary tight, but possible.
I don't think it would be that, that death would still be to close to the original. I thing the reverse would be a bird dropping a turtle onto his head. Eat your heart out Aeschylus.
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If Mathilde is correct in believing this to be a Ritual of Dedication, then the absolute worse case scenario, Heidi being implicated in a Ritual of Vengeance and Mathilde being collateralled in the process, has already been taken off the table
Though of course we still want to settle the matter conclusively and quietly so as to avoid any possibility of the fact that Heidi is not actually a Haupt Anderson coming to light
I don't think it serves either our hidden objectives if Alric turns down the offer of assistance
It'd make him look a lot worse in the event that he fails for turning down assistance that it turns out he needed, but it won't help us bury whole mess this quietly which would make it a wasted action
And currently I'd give very strong odds that Alric refuses the offer, seeing as current observation suggests that he hasn't tried to work with any other authority or cult on the matter
Let alone a fellow Wizard that he'd have every right to suspect is trying to undermine his potential achievement
I'd be surprised if this stops at defending the victim from the ritual
For one thing there's the very real possibility that Boney outlined where Alberich might be able to salvage the thing by murdering one of the undefended Unfähigers instead
For another, Alrics doing this so that he has a big, noteworthy achievement from which he might be able to ride back into power on
Quietly dissolving the ritual is a victory, but it's not the kind of big, glorious, resounding victory that Alric's probably looking for
Not unless Alberich explodes in the process anyway, which might happen granted
Currently I figure that Alric's setting up more of a trap than he is a fortress, with the Unfähigers as bait
And if this ends up just repelling Albreich instead of eliminating him then I imagine sooner or later Alric's just going to go Daemon/cultist hunting in an effort to end this conclusively
I mean we have two weeks, that's not an insubstantial amount of time to conduct a manhunt
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This is what I referred to.
I think you put too much emphasis on the idea that the tendril leading to him is an actual line in the sky that can be calibrated easily. Data points don't seem to triangulate out so simply.
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Honestly, my thoughts right now are to ransack the manor, check the underworld, and do research on Alberich's new form. Ransacking the manor may reveal a hidey hole or other place of safety within the general area we're dealing with in order to narrow down our search. The underworld having things going on makes me think that our Oldest Friend may be able to help us suss out a few things. And the form research will help make identifying him easier.
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But Boney already explained the unfeasibility:
You spent 5 days in a random spot in the city, your result is "your target isn't in a five block radius". Now repeat that twenty times to cover the whole city if he doesn't move. Each attempt costs you several days, you have two weeks.
Has it?
Mathilde knows what kind of ritual it is, but if Alric doesn't, and successfully stops the ritual here without figuring out what kind of ritual it was and who was doing it, he still might go digging into Heidi's history.
We'd prefer he not do that.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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There are only two weeks left, so two actions remain, not three.
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- 'Straya
Not to mention a really good roll that may not cooperate again. If the 6th doesn't get stopped trying to track it before the 7th happens might be a good idea, but for now the most important thing would be making sure that Alric doesn't succeed by himself. Not sure how that would look yet though. Worst case scenario, fake the next murder yourself. (That's a joke, don't do that please).
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While Talagaad was noted as an unlikely possibility alongside the more probable Talabheim, currently the option to scour doesn't include choosing between them
So I assume that either it's being covered, or Mathilde considers the possibility too faint to bother with Talagaad
That's my assumption until Boney says otherwise anyway
Also I know you've been insisting that we ought to just set up a trap for Alberich on the night of the murder, so you may have missed this
Since it looks like that's covered under a seperate vote, we don't have to choose between taking a shot at a manhunt or trying to ambush Albreich on the night of the murder, we can do both
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What if we bring the rest of the Unfathers to the spa and rely on Alric and us to defend them all. We can truthfully say that they could have been used as replacement for the ritual.
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
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The word "the" repeats.
*accumulated
I'm not sure how to parse "begin to filter himself" there.
I'm dubious Alric will want to work with us. And in addition to what CrimsonOddball just noted, it's also not clear that Alberich is actually showing up in person as opposed to sending disposable daemonic mooks or something. The best way to actually stop the ritual cold is to hunt down Alberich, and if we try it and it fails we can still try to swoop in on the night of the murder itself and foil the attempt there.
So all in all, I think our best bet will be to research Alberich's form and then do a manhunt for him. I'd prefer the Longshanks for that still.