It's one hypothesis that Alric isn't trying to stop the murders. But I wouldn't bet everything on it. Far safer to report to Mira now and be in the clear whatever happens.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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It's one hypothesis that Alric isn't trying to stop the murders. But I wouldn't bet everything on it. Far safer to report to Mira now and be in the clear whatever happens.
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We can send her a letter.
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Reporting will be handled at an appropriate time and may even have already happened:
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Mathilde should also send Heidi a letter. Not necessarily now, but certainly at some point. "Someone's poking into Haupt-Anderssen history, so brush up on your stories."
Interresting. Still, it remains a fact that Mira has a vested interest in Alric failling. So if we don't renegociate with her, we can expect her to act in a way to stop Alric from succeeding in his political goals. Maybe she sabotages him or sends a few of her subordinates to claim part of the credit. Or maybe she does nothing relevant to us with the info we give her.
Thing is, unless we renegotiate with Mira, she's an unknown. We don't know what actions she might take or what assumptions she might make of our continued involvement in the case. Plus, she can probably help us enough in the case to justify using an action to reach out to her. Better late than never.
One thing that I think is missed in the calls for investigation, exciting as they may be, is that we do not know these people from Adam... or as the case may we from Albrecht. For all we know anyone we use in a manhunt could be compromised, it is not like we had time to look into them.
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@Boney On the off chance that we manage to destroy the threat in a not too public manner, might we go to Mira and renegotiate then? Before she knows that we already did what we're going to ask to be paid for? Like, adding another mini-turn where action one is talking to Mira, action two is smugly going to Lord Unfähiger and taking all the credit and action three is sticking around to make sure that we did actually clean up all of the danger?
Mopman43
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Could we get Yes/No votes about letters to Heidi and Mira as possible free actions with the next plan or would that be too confusing and convoluted?
In other words, there could be an inverse relationship between plausible deniability and inventory space.
While I agree with this in the case of a regular Grey Magister, for Mathilde specifically there could be another factor to consider. Her recent encounters demonstrated that her current position allows more freedom to act right away, but also invites more scrutiny afterwards. If things in our vicinity start randomly disappearing, our 7 homies that showed us how to gut reality like a fish might decide that inference isn't good enough and we might get called to the principal's office to explain.
In other words, there could be an inverse relationship between plausible deniability and inventory space.
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You misunderstand me. We negotiate a specific price before we reveal to Mari that we solved the problem.
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I feel like I can anticipate the answer here
That being that going out of your way to do work that the client didn't ask for, and then trying to "renegotiate" payment for having done so after the fact, gets a significantly colder response than properly renegotiating your contract first
Feels kinda like a mechanic replacing... Idk your engine belt and battery without forewarning, and then charging you for it when all you agreed to was an oil change
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Rafin isn't suggesting using the fact that we've already done it to blackmail payment. The original scenario is that we've already done it but Mira doesn't know and approaching the negotiation as if we haven't done it. It's more like your mechanic replacing your engine for their own reasons then coming back and asking if you want to pay for an engine upgrade without telling you they've already done so. If you say yes they charge you and you get the upgrade none the wiser, if you say no then they shrug and and just write it off as a loss and let you keep the engine anyway.
Problem is that we would need arrange a meeting with Mira (who is defacto leading the light College, if not dejure) which might take a week, at which point the news would have spread.
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The scenario proposed is one in which we've stopped the ritual in a way that isn't public knowledge. E.g. tracking down and killing Alberich somewhere that isn't public, so no-one would know we've stopped it until we tell them or the next murder fails to happen.
I think alric has good enough windsight to tell. Might not be as good as ours but still good enough.
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Sure, okay. Will he tell Mira about it though? Or hell, will the fading or deactivating of the ritual's lingering presence be enough for him to know that the danger is over? And even if he does know its over he doesn't know why. So if he just claims credit and then Mathilde jumps out of the bushes with Alberic's misbegotten daemon head and collated evidence of how Alberic did everything and we stopped him, that's gonna discredit him even more than if he didn't first try to claim credit.
I won't even hold it against Mira, she isn't just her own woman, she is a (practical) leader of an organisation.
you can't be in the habit of moving or acting for just gratitude of someone 'overdoing' their job.
If I'm in charge of a team budget for a year, and I hire a guy to install some basic-50 euro decks and I've found the next day that he went out of his way to install and wire 300-500 euro standing desks, I would be majorly chuffed. but I'm not paying him for them.
not when it's not completely your resources and manpower that you're using to pay that person back with.
1) it was not the contract and I'm noting going to feel obliged to part with that kind of money post-deal (if anything that would be a scam, like going to a car dealer for a cheap car you all ready bought and finding Rolls Royce with a guy holding a contract saying you still own them half a mil.)
2) even if I feel for him, that's not my money, it's the teams budget. (now, as this is her paying mathy to help with intercollege conflict, its really closer to 'her own campaign funds'. but still, got to stretch that penny. )
politics is a business. the currency being power, favours and swings of a big stick.
and you don't succeed in business if you're in the habit of overpaying or not taking the discounts
And its not easy to go to the choirmaster and say:
Mira: I need you to spend your time helping this project
Choirmaster: oh, what did she give up to our faction for my time?
Mira: ehmm, actually nothing new so much, she just did more than we agreed to so she is complaining that we underpaid her.
Choirmaster: that sounds like a scam
Mira:... it kind of does, doesn't it.
Choirmaster: ok, that's definitely a scam, fuck her.
Mia: agreed. (disintegrate the new contract)
you can't be in the habit of moving or acting for just gratitude of someone 'overdoing' their job.
If I'm in charge of a team budget for a year, and I hire a guy to install some basic-50 euro decks and I've found the next day that he went out of his way to install and wire 300-500 euro standing desks, I would be majorly chuffed. but I'm not paying him for them.
not when it's not completely your resources and manpower that you're using to pay that person back with.
1) it was not the contract and I'm noting going to feel obliged to part with that kind of money post-deal (if anything that would be a scam, like going to a car dealer for a cheap car you all ready bought and finding Rolls Royce with a guy holding a contract saying you still own them half a mil.)
2) even if I feel for him, that's not my money, it's the teams budget. (now, as this is her paying mathy to help with intercollege conflict, its really closer to 'her own campaign funds'. but still, got to stretch that penny. )
politics is a business. the currency being power, favours and swings of a big stick.
and you don't succeed in business if you're in the habit of overpaying or not taking the discounts
And its not easy to go to the choirmaster and say:
Mira: I need you to spend your time helping this project
Choirmaster: oh, what did she give up to our faction for my time?
Mira: ehmm, actually nothing new so much, she just did more than we agreed to so she is complaining that we underpaid her.
Choirmaster: that sounds like a scam
Mira:... it kind of does, doesn't it.
Choirmaster: ok, that's definitely a scam, fuck her.
Mia: agreed. (disintegrate the new contract)
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Oh no, we take credit for that, but this was my answer to the question of "can we get to Mira fast enough that she doesn't know about the daemon being dead and alric not getting credit so that we can get goodies from her afterwards". Alric would sense the ritual is over and tell the unfahigers, which of course would make a big trara about it because their nobles, and that would get to altdorf in a week.
Shard
One and Many
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This sounds like it has a nearly certain chance of severely annoying Mira.
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Mathilde has an extremely plausible preexisting explanation for having a lot of money, specifically being that she is already known to have a lot of money. She doesn't pay taxes, and as a Lady Magister she doesn't tithe to her order anymore either. Nobody's checking our receipts or our tax records to see exactly how much money we have and from where. So if we had a few thousand more gold pieces (or whatever) all of a sudden, the only person who's really in a position to know that is Mathilde.
If it was just "things" going missing, sure, I'd agree. But the point I keep underlining - because it seems to keep getting brushed past - is that it's the Unfahigers' things. And there is manifestly a different standard applied to the ill-gotten looted wealth of the guy who incited the Night of a Thousand Duels and then outlawed the Colleges, putting them under a multidecade siege, going missing.
Having Alric crow about having saved the family and Mira then being able to lay out a dossier on what the actual threat was and how Alric never even clapped eyes on it would be an extremely devastating slam-dunk on him.
Not meaningfully, but there's probably some sort of indirect familial link somewhere deep in the family trees of both dynasties.
Something like that could be attempted, depending on the circumstances.
Writing a letter to Heidi about it would be calling her in, she'd show up on the next boat from Altdorf. Mathilde contacting Mira will be taken care of.
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She should pay taxes, shouldn't she? I think her cactus fief pays for itself via its steward, so she isn't personally involved, but that doesn't mean she isn't paying them. The same goes with her EIC profits, I believe--Wilhelmina gives them to her, minus taxes.
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I have to say I like the little glimpses on Heidi's response if we inform her about the situation. The way you're so blase about it makes it even more effective.
Heidi: I've never seen a life-threatening plot that I didn't like. honestly, since I've become Empress its been hard to even get up in the morning without the external dread of not knowing if today is the day a supernatural monster comes for me.
you know, to get the blood pumping!
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[x] Plan: Ritual Centre with Mira
Yeah, OK, I'm ready to pull the trigger on talking with her about this.
Yeah, OK, I'm ready to pull the trigger on talking with her about this.