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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
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NuclearConsensus said:
I wouldn't quite discount the effect of being a pinned thread. BAHHSCQ got quite the boost from being pinned way back when.
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Could be. I personally don't use the subforum view much. I've got Quests and CW on alert, so I see all the new threads. I only really use it when I've run out, and I'm looking if something I previously disregarded looks interesting.

Out of curiosity, was BAHHSCQ still active at that point? I don't actually recall when it got pinned.
 
BurnNote said:
Could be. I personally don't use the subforum view much. I've got Quests and CW on alert, so I see all the new threads. I only really use it when I've run out, and I'm looking if something I previously disregarded looks interesting.

Out of curiosity, was BAHHSCQ still active at that point? I don't actually recall when it got pinned.
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Going by post dates, Sufficiently Summer 2015 was awarded in July, and that's about the same time as Post 14 in BAHHSCQ.
 
My response to the shiny yellow banner I've received:

Boney said:
I was holding back for a bit in the hopes that someone else who won would respond first and set the tone, but here goes...

First off, my thanks to the players. The success of Divided Loyalties owes as much to them collectively as it does to me. On top of the obvious of choosing the actions of the protagonist, they've also made the thread a joy to be in, and then voted in sufficient numbers for me to receive this award.

Second, my thanks to SV itself. In the past I've both written and GMed and the 'questing' format has similarities to both, but is in its whole unique and extremely rewarding. But while there's countless places out there dedicated to hosting prose and tabletop roleplaying communities, there's only a handful of places where questing thrives, and by my estimation SV does it better than anybody.

Third, my thanks to those that blazed the trail. DL has developed into its own beast over the years, but it started as a twist on the Warhammer management quests that inspired me, and without them it wouldn't have ever begun. Shout-outs in particular to A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism by @torroar, Glory and Grudges by @TikiTau, Paradox of Choice by @Imrix, and The Long Night series by @Durin.
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I haven't brought up the awards in the thread, but that's because none of the other nominees did in their threads and I wanted to keep a level playing field. It really does mean a lot to me that so many people thought so much of DL.
 
DL is the reason I keep coming back to this site every day. I've been following this quest for three years now, and I've come back to check on it when it was in hiatus every month. The joy I felt when you picked it up again cannot be described Boney. My participation in this quest has seen me go through so many changes, and I would definitely say that my involvement in this quest was part of that journey. This quest and thread means a lot to me, and I'm sure that it does to a lot of other people, which is most likely one of the reasons it's the most popular quest in the site.

You fully deserve the award Boney. Congratulations.
 
I remember a while ago I mentioned something on thread about the Slaan fighting Chaos in the Aethyr using their spirit form and somebody asking me for a citation on that because they couldn't remember that being a thing. I can't remember who that someone is, so maybe someone else's memory is working better than mine. Here's the citation since I came across it again in 7th Edition:

"At any one time, up to half the Mage-Priests alive in the world today are engaged upon the task of opposing the influence of Chaos wherever it may be encountered. Their spirit-selves battle in the ether against foes that would escape the Realm of Chaos and invade the world were it not for the Slaans' unstinting efforts" Page 20 Lizardmen 7th Edition

Shout out to the Slaan for being the band aid that GW love to abuse. Apparently they helped stabilised the Vortex after Caledor Dragontamer made it imperfectly during the Chaos Incursion, they helped make sure that the Vortex wouldn't collapse during the Sundering from the background, and they made sure that Daemons wouldn't flood the world during Asavar Kul's reign so Magnus the Pious wouldn't be overwhelmed. Those frogs are the pillars that hold the world together.
 
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Codex said:
I remember a while ago I mentioned something on thread about the Slaan fighting Chaos in the Aethyr using their spirit form and somebody asking me for a citation on that because they couldn't remember that being a thing. I can't remember who that someone is, so maybe someone else's memory is working better than mine. Here's the citation since I came across it again in 7th Edition:

"At any one time, up to half the Mage-Priests alive in the world today are engaged upon the task of opposing the influence of Chaos wherever it may be encountered. Their spirit-selves battle in the ether against foes that would escape the Realm of Chaos and invade the world were it not for the Slaans' unstinting efforts" Page 20 Lizardmen 7th Edition

Shout out to the Slaan for being the band aid that GW love to abuse. Apparently they helped stabilised the Vortex after Caledor Dragontamer made it imperfectly during the Chaos Incursion, they helped make sure that the Vortex wouldn't collapse during the Sundering from the background, and they made sure that Daemons wouldn't flood the world during Asavar Kul's reign so Magnus the Pious wouldn't be overwhelmed. Those frogs are the pillars that hold the world together.
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Fam, I got you.
Codex said:
It's mentioned that the Slann sleep a lot because they astral project into the Aethyr to fight chaos and keep it from being as powerful as it should be. At least in 8th edition Lizardmen book, which loves talking about how the Slann have saved the world a dozen times behind the scene but no one talks about it (they apparently stabilised the Vortex when it was first formed, helped make sure it didn't break during the Sundering, and stopped Chaos from being as powerful as it should have been during the Great War against Chaos).
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deathofrats0808 said:
I can't find anything saying they're fighting chaos like that, but even so the same book also talks about how the Slann are being fucked over by an enchantment that saps their energy (and may or may not make it harder for them to think), as well as how there's a "mind miasma" that's affecting them. It seems pretty clear that there's something affecting them.
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So yeah, @deathofrats0808, it's a few months later but she dug up the cite, which I (in my capacity as a [citation needed] kind of guy) respect.
 
picklepikkl said:
Fam, I got you.
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Thank you for that. If nobody got me, I know pickle's got me.

It's even harder to dig up citations when you can't use control+f and click the words to look for it. You gotta go through every section that might hold a clue and look for the key word that awakens your memory. It's hard work. Makes me feel like a historian or something.
 
Codex said:
Thank you for that. If nobody got me, I know pickle's got me.

It's even harder to dig up citations when you can't use control+f and click the words to look for it. You gotta go through every section that might hold a clue and look for the key word that awakens your memory. It's hard work. Makes me feel like a historian or something.
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You only used the word "Slann" in 30 posts in this thread so far, which is I assume how pickle tracked it down. Even a super broad keyword can get results pretty quickly if you narrow it down to a specific user.

I do that trick myself a lot when I want to refresh myself on an old debate - I know myself enough to know that I would have chimed in whenever any interesting debate happened anywhere in the thread, so I can search my own posts for old!me's thoughts pretty consistently.
 
Redshirt Army said:
You only used the word "Slann" in 30 posts in this thread so far, which is I assume how pickle tracked it down. Even a super broad keyword can get results pretty quickly if you narrow it down to a specific user.

I do that trick myself a lot when I want to refresh myself on an old debate - I know myself enough to know that I would have chimed in whenever any interesting debate happened anywhere in the thread, so I can search my own posts for old!me's thoughts pretty consistently.
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Oh, in that post I meant to say when looking up Warhammer lore, not necessarily searching the thread. I've found that SV's search function is pretty unforgiving, but I do use it like that often. I just didn't think to search up the word "Slaan". I thought I used that word more often so I believed it would be a dead end.
 
Codex said:
Oh, in that post I meant to say when looking up Warhammer lore, not necessarily searching the thread. I've found that SV's search function is pretty unforgiving, but I do use it like that often. I just didn't think to search up the word "Slaan". I thought I used that word more often so I believed it would be a dead end.
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Generally my approach is to go as greedy as I can (throw in a bunch of the keywords together) and then loosen (searching for only one at a time) if that doesn't get results. In this particular case, my greedy approach worked out:

First try got me what I was looking for. No need to sort through thirty posts if you can do two instead.
 
Voting closed, writing has begun.

Adhoc vote count started by Boney on Jan 2, 2022 at 1:57 AM, finished with 430 posts and 90 votes.
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What a blessed page this is. Boney's response to winning Users' Choice, Codex being a historian, picklepikkl with his quote wizardry, and now the classic, ever-auspicious "Voting closed, writing has begun."
 
By the way, I found a neat fun fact. I was researching Fay stuff and specifically Oberon, and I came across some incredibly interesting and ironically funny etymology. Apparently the name Oberon comes from the Old French Auberon which is equivalent to the Old German name Alberich, and it seems to be believed that the origin of Oberon comes from a Dwarf character in Old German legend from something called the Nibelungenlied. Apparently, that story comes from poetic adaptations of something similar to the old Norse Poetic Edda in regards to a hero named Siegfried who comes across a Burgundian princess and etc. etc. and Alberich accompanies Siegfried on his journey and all that.

What I found interesting is that Averland's Pre-Imperial Tribe are the Brigundians, which now seems to me to be an obvious play on the real life Burgundians, and their heroic leader's name, the guy who joined Sigmar in his journey to unite the Empire.... his name is Siggurd, a play on Siegfried's Old Norse name being Sigurd.

All of this got away from me, but it was neat going on a journey of discovering some of Warhammer's inspirations, which seem so obvious in hindsight when you look at it. I'm not super familiar with european history and legends/myths, so all of this was new to me.

Oh, and the whole thing came from me wanting to say that Alberich apparently means "ruler of supernatural beings (elves)". Almost certainly has nothing to do with our Alberich but it's fun nonethelss.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
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I would like to add some OOC knowledge(and therefor wont go onto the post):

Its important to remember that the Waystone Network is ultimately built first and formost around a core network of Waystones built by the Old Ones. They are in essence a section of the Geomantic Web, something likely only a few elves know about and only due to having Slann teachers. Good News: Some of those few elves still live. Bad News: On the Isle of the Dead casting the Great Vortex. Needless to say, this means that while we haven't realized it yet, the Slink Laser Arm is going to be vitally important to having a chance of success of actually understanding them, something that the Asur themselves likely never achieved.
 
Daedwartin said:
I would like to add some OOC knowledge(and therefor wont go onto the post):

Its important to remember that the Waystone Network is ultimately built first and formost around a core network of Waystones built by the Old Ones. They are in essence a section of the Geomantic Web, something likely only a few elves know about and only due to having Slann teachers. Good News: Some of those few elves still live. Bad News: On the Isle of the Dead casting the Great Vortex. Needless to say, this means that while we haven't realized it yet, the Slink Laser Arm is going to be vitally important to having a chance of success of actually understanding them, something that the Asur themselves likely never achieved.
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I do not think we will ever achieve 'something the Asur never did' certainly not based on a random prosthesis. Certainly the addition of human traditions might do something they could not, but us understanding the Old Ones... yeah, that is not happening.
 
To put into perspective just how little relevance out random probably lizardman artifact is, let's put it this way:

The golden arm -> was made by the lizardmen -> therefore it has insights into the infrastructure of the their progenitors the Old Ones
A random metal hand -> was made in the Empire -> therefore has insights into the barrows of the ancient Unberogen

Doesn't really work does it?
 
DragonParadox said:
To put into perspective just how little relevance out random probably lizardman artifact is, let's put it this way:

The golden arm -> was made by the lizardmen -> therefore it has insights into the infrastructure of the their progenitors the Old Ones
A random metal hand -> was made in the Empire -> therefore has insights into the barrows of the ancient Unberogen

Doesn't really work does it?
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It could potentially reveal that the oldest waystones have an origin in Lustria due to a common alphabet with the runes of the arm, but I don't think it can do anything more.
 
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VoiceOfTheRiders said:
It could potentially reveal that the oldest waystones have an origin in Lustria due to a common alphabet with the runes of the arm.
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The Runic patterns were revealed for a fraction of a second and Mathilde hasn't managed to memorise them unfortunately:
Boney said:
If part of you had begun to hope that Johann ultimately rejects the arm and returns it to your laboratory for further study, those hopes are dashed one morning when Johann's complaints of phantom sensations up and down his missing arm culminate in a spasm of surprise and pain as Hysh pulses through the prosthetic, revealing an intricate tracework of runic patterns that you try fruitlessly to memorize in the fraction of a second they are visible for.
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Mathilde never got a good look at the runes. That would have required dismantling I believe.
 
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