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Not A Nice Person At All
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"You Stromfelians sure are a contentious lot."
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
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- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
I'm a little disappointed there weren't more votes for this perpetual apprentice guy, maybe we could have gotten a lead from them that leads to Albion.
Eh I guess we already have a lot fo quests to go on.
Eh I guess we already have a lot fo quests to go on.
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THere is little to no reason to suspect that he woudl lead to Albion or even that that is a place we want to go when we are already in the middle of this Eonir plotline.
We do not need to go down the supper secret druid path to get to Albion, all we need to do is live long enough for the canon Shadow over Albion plot (or something like it) to happen and then follow the rumors of strange wizards calling themselves 'Truthsayers' on the coast of the Old World, by the same token before that it would not matter how much research we did into the matter because the mists are impenetrable.
Manaan is fickle. In tome of salvation, if you play a priest, you have a (random) number of scriptures. If you get Wrath of the Gods (a priest miscast, IIRC), you change a random number of scriptures. Those scriptures itself are also widely inconsistent.
For example:
Do not whistle aboard a ship or within a temple.
Whistle gently when sailing on a ship, for it ensures a good headwind
or
A cat onboard a ship brings good luck
A cat onboard a ship brings bad luck.
These are also placed directly next to each other, the writers were clearly aware of the conflict. So of any of the classical gods, I can see something like that with Manaan the most. Ranald might pretend though. (Though the thing about not tolerating Stromfels is noted as being the one exception for the variability, so it's not like there's no counter points either)
As a mostly unrelated bit of pedantry: The two cat scriptures could be true at the same time, though I'd put the blame on Ranald for that.
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From the WoQMs for FAQs threadmark:
this relationship is the warmest ice seen out of all Matheds friends/lovers. Even more so than Pamoramia .Fuzzy tingles all the way.
Aren't we technically a dwarf? I kind of want to marry Belegar now. And only half of it for the lulz.
point at tag this is a dwarf quest
All hall Thorgrim! And his faffing about, trying to save face!point at tag this is a dwarf quest
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No. The WFRP magic system encompasses a lot more than just Priests and Wizards, including Ice Witches, Hag Witches, Hedgewise, Chaos Sorcerers, Chaos Dwarf Sorcerers, Norscan Shamans, Beastman Bray-Shamans, Daemons, and Grey Seers. The lines between Arcane and Divine are a lot more blurred for all of those careers than the very hard delineations between Wizards and Priests of the Empire.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Well, one of the spells itself notes that members of the Gold Order know it, but I can easily see that being an Order-specific thing that they might be unwilling or unable to share with the rest of the Colleges.
Years Later
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- Somewhere with a Thousand Watchful Eyes
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- They/Them
Hm...
Years Later:
The invitation had not been unexpected. Not to toot your own horn too much, but after all you'd done for Belegar, an invitation to the event where he planned to announce his daughter's name was kind of minimal.
To be invited to the actual planning of such an event was less so, and in fact kind of an honour, given that it was a family thing for him.
But what you could have never suspected was...
"Mathilde?" You said, clearing out your ears just to be sure. "Mathilde Ironhammer?"
"It's a little late to tell us not to," your former king noted, holding his babe in his arms, "But we could issue an apology."
Words fail you. Your mouth opens, closes, opens, closes again and your mind rushes to come up with some explanation of the meaning, some gesture of appreciation or reciprocation for his own.
Instead, all that comes out is, "Doesn't seem like a very dwarf-like name."
"Is that what you think?" He asks with a genuinely curious tone, even as most of his attention went to his calloused finger held tightly in his daughter's grasp. "One of the finest dwarves to ever serve in my court held that name, and I felt it fitting."
Dwarves don't cry, dwarves don't cry, dwarves don't cry...
"I am going to give her so many presents," you push out through the knot in your throat. "I am going to invent so many enchantments just for toys and I'll use them all for her."
"If you feel it necessary," Belegar said. "For the moment, you will have to content yourself with holding her, if you like."
You did.
Noticed this, in the quest it was Belegar's grandfather who failed to become the High King:
What I managed to find of Belegar's father:
But then this WOG about Kazador is suspect, because we have this in an update:
@Boney, is Kazador being an unreliable narrator here, or is he pretending it was Belegar who visited him in Karak Azul before K8P reconquest when in fact it was Belegar's father, or is it just WOG / update contradiction? If contradiction, what is quest canon?
@Codex, any chance of adding Belegar's father and grandfather to the Dramatis Personae? They are unnamed, but so is Marrisith's uncle.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Boney actually has this covered- the contents of the quest itself have primacy over his Word of God.
Canon is wildly inconsistent on how old Belegar actually is. In some versions of canon it's Belegar himself that was almost High King, in others he wasn't even born yet then.
That WoQM outright states that Kazador isn't sure which Ironhammer he's previously met might indicate that Kazador is not the world's greatest living master at the art of diplomacy.
Codex
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Uh sure, I'll do that, probably in the dead characters section. I do know that either his father or grandfather has the name Beregar, and in canon he had a brother named Duregar. Belegar's family has an odd naming sense.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
Is Duregar Hammerfist his brother? Grudgelore depicts them as kin, but not that close, I don't think.
Codex
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I found my source of confusion. 7th Edition Skaven Army Book Deathmaster Snikch's profile page 75:
"The Dwarf Lord Dromgar, brother to King Belegar of Karak Eight Peaks, was slain in a heavily fortified stronghold. That Dromgar is still missing his head points strongly to the ultimate killer"
His name's Dromgar. I suppose I confused Duregar for him.
I dunno. My intense love of Kazador says otherwise. Though obviously he's not the greatest living master at the art of diplomacy. Anton is still alive.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
I'm curious if there's literally any reference to Dromgar apart from "Sniktch killed him"?
Feel like he'd come up somewhere, you know?
Codex
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I haven't looked through every Warhammer source yet, but I'm pretty sure that might be the only time he's mentioned. I suppose that's why I transposed the relation to Duregar, since he got more mentions and therefore was more prominent in my mind.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
This does alot to support the "Gods as empires/kingdoms" model. Then you can say that aspects or faces of a god are like vassels of the greater God empire. It also means that if this model is correct we would expect some God aspects to be better integrated into the greater own then others.
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
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- At large
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- He/Him
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Oh my god. Instantly one of my favorite omakes, it's beautiful. Redoubles my desire for Mathilde to continue her close friendship with Belegar for the remainder of her hopefully long life.