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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I feel like giving him a stat block before we know more about him will effect how people treat him in quest.

Not sure that's a good idea:
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Jyn Ryvia said:
I don't know about that, your kind of the loremaster now, so your opinion has a bit of weight.
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I'm flattered, but I'm not sure if my voice has that much weight when it comes to speculation. I make it clear when I'm drawing on my own suppositions or when I'm drawing from an actual source. I get things wrong sometimes, with Mopman and Deathofrats sometimes bringing stuff to my attention or correcting me. I'd hope people aren't taking the stuff I make for fun too seriously.
 
Codex said:
I think it wouldn't be unreasonable for Kadoh to have Strength 5 and Toughness 4 though.
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Malekith has higher S and T because he effectively wears power armour.

Elves being Squishy is an intentional design feature. From the lowliest archer to the highest lords (even the glade lords of the wood elves of athel loren), all of them have T3.
Iirc, the only other exception to the T3 rule is Asarnil... and he's been roughing it for 200 years.

I also wouldn't go near S5 for an unaugmented elf.
Vampire lords are S5
Chaos lords are S5
Trolls are S5
Saurus Oldbloods are S5
Warbosses are S5
Orion is S5
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Counter examples:
Grombrindal is S4 (have you seen the arms on him? They're thicker than my legs)
Tyrion is S4 T3
Kohril Lionmane (Hercules expy) is S4 T3
 
IronFist said:
Malekith has higher S and T because he effectively wears power armour.

Elves being Squishy is an intentional design feature. From the lowliest archer to the highest lords (even the glade lords of the wood elves of athel loren), all of them have T3.
Iirc, the only other exception to the T3 rule is Asarnil... and he's been roughing it for 200 years.

I also wouldn't go near S5 for an unaugmented elf.
Vampire lords are S5
Chaos lords are S5
Trolls are S5
Saurus Oldbloods are S5
Warbosses are S5
Orion is S5
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Counter examples:
Grombrindal is S4 (have you seen the arms on him? They're thicker than my legs)
Tyrion is S4 T3
Kohril Lionmane (Hercules expy) is S4 T3
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An Imperial Captain has Strength 4 and Toughness 4. Korhil sure is a weak Hercules if your average human captain can flex on him toughness wise.
 
Codex said:
An Imperial Captain has Strength 4 and Toughness 4. Korhil sure is a weak Hercules if your average human captain can flex on him toughness wise.
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He's a hercules expy because his claim to fame is that he wrestled a mutated lion with his bare hands and throttled it.
In 6e, iirc Malekith was S4 T4, with a +1 S from his sword.

It all comes down to the granularity of the system.

All dwarfs are T4 minimum, while only 2 elves (Lords) have T4.
Humans don't get to T4 until you're looking at Hero choices.
old blog with 6e stuff
EDIT: IT'S ACTUALLY NOT FANMADE STUFF. That White dwarf statline is straight out of WD300.

Edit 2: original army list for HE during the war of the beard. The Phoenix crown is a 150pt item that makes the wearer and his unit unbreakable, and all units within 6" stubborn.
 
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IronFist said:
He's a hercules expy because his claim to fame is that he wrestled a mutated lion with his bare hands and throttled it.
In 6e, iirc Malekith was S4 T4, with a +1 S from his sword.

It all comes down to the granularity of the system.

All dwarfs are T4 minimum, while only 2 elves (Lords) have T4.
Humans don't get to T4 until you're looking at Hero choices.
old blog with 6e fan made stuff i dug up
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I know all of that. The fun of making fan made stuff though is that you get to break those rules if it makes sense for the narrative. Kadoh is the most muscular elf that Mathilde's ever seen, and building muscle is exceptionally difficult for Elves it seems like. He's basically an olympic champion, except unlike actual Olympic Champions he specialises in dozens of different sports because that's what the Festival of Games is. To be a Champion of Asuryan you have to be an expert athlete in dozens of different fields of sports and forms of combat. He isn't your average warrior who spends his days trying to become more skilled with a blade to kill someone with the least amount of unnecessary movements, he's an athlete.

I also think it's fair to say that it's not out of the question that he is blessed by Asuryan. Boney said this before:
Boney said:
The position of Champion is linked to Asuryan like a sort of inverse Everqueen, which suggests a possible source of Yadoh's longevity.
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This is by far one of the most interesting points of information we got on the Champion position and I'd love to play around with that.

I will concede and say that S4 T4 probably makes more sense. I don't think I'll budge on that though, I am insistent on presenting him with the muscles that he deserves.
 
I'm doing a random reread starting with Mathilde's Magister exams.
Boney said:
To the best of your knowledge, assess Journeywoman Mathilde Weber's level of dedication to a) the Grey College; b) the Empire; and c) humanity, factoring in her beliefs and motivations as well as any ties that bind her to the well-being of the above.
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@Boney May I ask what your thoughts were behind this part of the future vote? Was it to help model her character as based on her hivemind or something more/else?
 
Muscular =/= strong/though.
Lot of strong people are wiry, and the most muscular (looking) people are body builders who are not actually that strong (well, they are strong, just not as strong as one might think considering all the muscle).

Elves are not good warriors because they are physically strong (and realisticly, strength only helps only up to a point where keeping it up just is not worth the time), they are good because they have spent anywhere fropm decades to centuries at their physical peak, training/fighting against other extremely skilled warriors.
 
Valmond said:
Muscular =/= strong/though.
Lot of strong people are wiry, and the most muscular (looking) people are body builders who are not actually that strong (well, they are strong, just not as strong as one might think considering all the muscle).

Elves are not good warriors because they are physically strong (and realisticly, strength only helps only up to a point where keeping it up just is not worth the time), they are good because they have spent anywhere fropm decades to centuries at their physical peak, training/fighting against other extremely skilled warriors.
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I fully understand that muscular does not mean strong, but in this case Kadoh is 100% strong. He's not a body builder who's doing this for the aesthetics, he's a champion and an athlete.

I get what you're saying, but I don't see how it applies here, unless you're implying Kadoh's muscles are just for show.
 
Codex said:
I know all of that.
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You even read the ancient white dwarfs too :O

Codex said:
I will concede and say that S4 T4 probably makes more sense. I don't think I'll budge on that though, I am insistent on presenting him with the muscles that he deserves.
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I'm just offering feedback as someone who has played the tabletop game. Elves = Squishy is almost a meme (before memes were everywhere :p)
Feel free to do whatever you want with the statlines. Seeing Kadoh's description, I probably wouldn't bat an eye at T4. It's not all that significant.
Bus S5 would let him punch elves and wound them on a 2+. A bit too far...

I love simulating stuff in RPG systems (so i really get how fun playing around with statting things can be) ... Once I summarized the BRB with more streamlined rules for faster battles (pity I lost that document :(... was a ~30 page document) but once I learned GURPS, I stopped using other systems for simulations.

For example, I statted out an extremely detailed racial template for 40k Eldar costing about 300 pts. As a baseline (for those not familiar with the system) 0pts is a baseline human, and 300 points might be a low level superhero or a classic DND adventurer type character. 1000 might get you mid-Smallville Clark Kent
Psykers, Reincarnators, Past lives, Accelerated thoughts, Heightened emotions with a tendency for corruption, Soulstones, Slaneesh's claim to their souls, The Path of the Eldar.
 
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Codex said:
I fully understand that muscular does not mean strong, but in this case Kadoh is 100% strong. He's not a body builder who's doing this for the aesthetics, he's a champion and an athlete.

I get what you're saying, but I don't see how it applies here, unless you're implying Kadoh's muscles are just for show.
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I do not see why Kadon can't be a champion and an athlete, and a bodybuilder.
At strength/thoughness 4, KAdon seems to be not merely though, but super elvenly so.
It's not that he is merely strong and though, but that he is not only one of the strongest and thoughest elves alive, but to ever live.
Which, while not impossible, does seem a bit much merely on the basis of being visible muscular.
 
IronFist said:
You even read the ancient white dwarfs too :O
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I recently finished Warhammer Annual 2002, which is a collection of a bunch of White Dwarf articles in 2002, and I'm working my way through Chronicles 2003, then going through 2004. I once jokingly thought about going through White Dwarf, but I think I'm actually going through with it.

Some of this is fun stuff. Different Steam Tank types, different Hydra types, different Goblin types (Kobolds are a thing apparently, they're a type of Goblin with longer arms and slimmer hips, can only be identified by the most skilled of Goblinoid Scholars) etc.

Also, I recently found out that Boney's interpretation of the War of the Beard most closely resembles the 2003 White Dwarf articles then the 6th or 8th Edition interpretations of the conflict. There are multiple different variations of the War of the Beard, and Boney's statements match most closely with White Dwarf.
 
Mopman43 said:
It's not original to Boney, it's definitely somewhere.

If it's not in Sigmar's Heirs, maybe the history of Middenland in the Cult of Ulric army list?
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That one has a different history. That one has an internal Middenland civil war being the cause of the attack on Carroburg, and Reikland having been allied to the faction using Carroburg as their capital.
 
Alliterate said:
Boney said:
Settra, Great King, the Imperishable, Khemrikhara, The Great King of Nehekhara, King of Kings, Opener of the Way, Wielder of the Divine Flame, Punisher of Nomads, The Great Unifier, Commander of the Golden Legion, Sacred of Appearance, Bringer of Light, Father of Hawks, Builder of Cities, Protector of the Two Worlds, Keeper of the Hours, Chosen of Ptra, High Steward of the Horizon, Sailor of the Great Vitae, Sentinel of the Two Realms, The Undisputed, Begetter of the Begat, Scourge of the Faithless, Carrion-feeder, First of the Charnel Valley, Rider of the Sacred Chariot, Vanquisher of Vermin, Champion of the Death Arena, Mighty Lion of the Infinite Desert, Emperor of the Shifting Sands, He Who Holds The Sceptre, Great Hawk Of The Heavens, Arch-Sultan of Atalan, Waker of the Hierotitan, Monarch of the Sky, Majestic Emperor of the Shifting Sands, Champion of the Desert Gods, Breaker of the Ogre Clans, Builder of the Great Pyramid, Terror of the Living, Master of the Never-Ending Horizon, Master of the Necropolises, Taker of Souls, Tyrant to the Foolish, Bearer of Ptra's Holy Blade, Scion of Usirian, Scion of Nehek, The Great, Chaser of Nightmares, Keeper of the Royal Herat, Founder of the Mortuary Cult, Banisher of the Grand Hierophant, High Lord Admiral of the Deathfleets, Guardian of the Charnal Pass, Tamer of the Liche King, Unliving Jackal Lord, Dismisser of the Warrior Queen, Charioteer of the Gods, He Who Does Not Serve, Slayer off Reddittras, Scarab Purger, Favoured of Usirian, Player of the Great Game, Liberator of Life, Lord Sand, Wrangler of Scorpions, Emperor of the Dunes, Eternal Sovereign of Khemri's Legions, Seneschal of the Great Sandy Desert, Curserer of the Living, Regent of the Eastern Mountains, Warden of the Eternal Necropolis, Herald of all Heralds, Caller of the Bitter Wind, God-Tamer, Master of the Mortis River, Guardian of the Dead, Great Keeper of the Obelisks, Deacon of the Ash River, Belated of Wakers, General of the Mighty Frame, Summoner of Sandstorms, Master of all Necrotects, Prince of Dust, Tyrant of Araby, Purger of the Greenskin Breathers, Killer of the False God's Champions, Tyrant of the Gold Dunes, Golden Bone Lord, Avenger of the Dead, Carrion Master, Eternal Warden of Nehek's Lands, Breaker of Djaf's Bonds...

For short.
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Boney said:
Dame Mathilde Weber, Magister of the Grey Order, Knight of Stirland, The Dämmerlichtreiter, Sängerkritisch, Dawongr.
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Some day, Settra.
Some day...
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Boney said:
Official Titles: Lady Magister of the Grey Order, Knight of Stirland, Thane of Karak Eight Peaks, Loremaster.
Other Titles: The Dämmerlichtreiter, Sängerkritisch, Dawongr, Azrildrekked, the Silver Savage, Dawizhufokri.
Former Titles: Spymistress of Stirland, War-Councillor of the Expedition to Karak Eight Peaks, Court Wizard of Karak Eight Peaks, Loremaster of Karak Eight Peaks.
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Founder of WEB-MAT, Director of WEB-MAT, Founder of the Waystone Project, Empire Representative to the Waystone Project, Head Librarian of Kron-Azril-Ungol
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Founder of WEB-MAT, Director of WEB-MAT, Founder of the Waystone Project, Empire Representative to the Waystone Project, Head Librarian of Kron-Azril-Ungol
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We can probably add some "unofficial" titles in there too, like Friend of Ranald (maybe when we use the Father side of the coin), Savior of
Karak Vlag, etc.

If Settra gets to use Favored of Usirian and Belated of Wakers it's fair game.

Edit - Stealer of Mountains would be a good one
 
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Mother of Ducklings, Major-domo of Spider-hives, Incinerator of Waaagh Birdmuncha, Herald of Only Mork, REDACTED, CLASSIFIED, REDACTED, Seeker of Headpats, Raider of the Kurgan, Shadowed Shaman of the Mountain Ring Clan, Sultana of Smug, Princess of Puns, Mistress of Mistery, Righter of Way, Wright of Way, Righter of Waystones (future), Writer of Way Cool Papers
 
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Rafin said:
I'm doing a random reread starting with Mathilde's Magister exams.

@Boney May I ask what your thoughts were behind this part of the future vote? Was it to help model her character as based on her hivemind or something more/else?
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Having someone do a written assessment of themselves seemed like a very Grey Order thing to do, especially while watching them try to do so. The obvious impulse for most people would be to write that they're oh so very loyal to all of the above, but the correct answer is to tell the truth, but while framing it in a way that is compatible with the Articles. The average Magister candidate would of course be most loyal to the Order that taught them and sheltered them, rather than to an Empire mostly made up of people hostile to Wizards, so they have to find a way to frame their loyalties without outright lying to the Order. Being able to thread that needle is the mark of a promising Grey Wizard.

That it was good for insight into how the thread saw Mathilde as a character was a nice side benefit, though.
 
"You DARE compare yourself to Settra?!? Thief! Thief I name you! Thief of Titles, Thief of Mountains, Thief of Chalices, Thief of Memories, Thief of Trade Routes, Thief of Languages, Thief of Skyre-Secrets, Thief of Honor, Thief of Destiny, SHE WHO STOLE FROM THE GODS! Patroness of Thieves! Preystealer, Wearer of False Faces, the Trustworthy Conwoman, the Assassin Rat's Peer, Blade in the Dark and Murderess of Nobles. She who is a Grand Thief, who stole Safety from the Guards of an Emperor, stole an Army from a Dead Man, stole Necromancy from the pen of a Madman and a Vampire. She who is a petty thief, who stole money from her Lord, and from his daughter stole money wrung from the very sewage of a county. Thief and Patroness of Thieves and Close Personal Friend of the God of Thieves!"
 
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Glau said:
"You DARE compare yourself to Settra?!? Thief! Thief I name you! Thief of Titles, Thief of Mountains, Thief of Chalices, Thief of Memories, Thief of Trade Routes, Thief of Languages, Thief of Skyre-Secrets, Thief of Honor, Thief of Destiny, SHE WHO STOLE FROM THE GODS! Patroness of Thieves! Preystealer, Wearer of False Faces, the Trustworthy Conwoman, the Assassin Rat's Peer, Blade in the Dark and Murderess of Nobles. She who is a Grand Thief, who stole Safety from the Guards of an Emperor, stole an Army from a Dead Man, stole Necromancy from the pen of a Madman and a Vampire. She who is a petty thief, who stole money from her Lord, and from his daughter stole money wrung from the very sewage of a county. Thief and Patroness of Thieves and Close Personal Friend of the God of Thieves!"
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Huh. Who knew Settra was such a flatterer?
 
Glau said:
"You DARE compare yourself to Settra?!? Thief! Thief I name you! Thief of Titles, Thief of Mountains, Thief of Chalices, Thief of Memories, Thief of Trade Routes, Thief of Languages, Thief of Skyre-Secrets, Thief of Honor, Thief of Destiny, SHE WHO STOLE FROM THE GODS! Patroness of Thieves! Preystealer, Wearer of False Faces, the Trustworthy Conwoman, the Assassin Rat's Peer, Blade in the Dark and Murderess of Nobles. She who is a Grand Thief, who stole Safety from the Guards of an Emperor, stole an Army from a Dead Man, stole Necromancy from the pen of a Madman and a Vampire. She who is a petty thief, who stole money from her Lord, and from his daughter stole money wrung from the very sewage of a county. Thief and Patroness of Thieves and Close Personal Friend of the God of Thieves!"
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Honestly, from the first line I thought you were going for Miette-energy, but the end result is more... something I'd read translated from Sumerian or something? Hard to explain that vibe.
 
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