The Fertility goddess in Middenland and the Lady of the Hunt in the Northern Empire are both Haleth, not Haletha. Haletha is worshipped in the Forest of Shadows by Ostlander and Nordlander Hedgefolk who live in it or close to it.
Article: Godwinson:
...
Okay, I'm mildly annoyed Truth didn't win, but
Your post theorizing that The Lady is one of Ranald and Shallya's daughters salvaged my mood in reading the post and aftermath
Redshirt Army:
Godwinson:
What's great is
If you look at the most positive forms of Bretonnian culture
If fits with it being a mixture of Ranald and Shallya
Redshirt Army:
yeah it kind of does, doesn't it
Godwinson:
When the system is working, it's very communal without much focus on property, with dedicated warriors going out to right wrongs wherever the path may take them
Redshirt Army:
yep
Godwinson:
It would be an absolutely amazing "Wait, what the fuck????" turn, too
Redshirt Army:
YES
just the reactions
in thread
and Mathilde's reaction
Godwinson:
What's amazing is
Brettonia's dedication to the myth
Even fits with Ranald the Deceiver
It's a nation-wide lie
Redshirt Army:
yeah
stories // lies
Godwinson:
nods
You can absolutely read it as
An attempt to create the ideal society of her parents.
Redshirt Army:
yes
and i mean, actually
if ranald is loec
bretonnia was literally built off of elven ruins
Godwinson:
The elven connection, yeah
Redshirt Army:
the Isha / Shallya connection is interesting too
Godwinson:
nods
Redshirt Army:
since Deathfang says that Isha isn't Rhya
Godwinson:
Isha and Loec's daughters brings up some fascinating ramifications
Redshirt Army:
so... Loec seduced Isha away from Kurnous?
makes sense why they'd want to keep that secret...
Godwinson:
hoo
Yeah
cackles
Almost certainly not true
But it would be hilarious
Redshirt Army:
yes
Godwinson:
Like
That's how Ranald tells her?
xDDD
Redshirt Army:
I give it similar odds to the "ranald stole a dwarf soul" thing being true
Godwinson:
Yes.
Redshirt Army:
although I guess those theories are compatible...
Godwinson:
Redshirt Army:
makes sense - if a god of thieves is gonna have a mortal child, would he settle for any old soul, or would he steal the best quality mastercrafted soul he could get?
Godwinson:
cackles
Absolutely correct
Hell, with his nature, the act of stealing the soul would likely be part of the process of having a mortal child
In the sense of being made part of the living-story that he is.
Redshirt Army:
yeah
anyway this is all speculation
Godwinson:
yep
Fun speculation, though
Redshirt Army:
on the face of it Haletha (Hedgefolk Goddess) / Haleth (Hunting Goddess) / Haleth (Fertility Goddess) seems like a more likely fit? (edited)
Godwinson:
Honestly... that might all just be one goddess
Redshirt Army:
yes
it almost certainly is
Godwinson:
And what's more
If one of the daughters is The Lady
Then Haleth's region would have originally been more-or-less adjacent to where The Lady started out
Redshirt Army:
!
true!
northern empire
north-western
Godwinson:
If we assume that the Reik's outflow is where Ranald and Shallya were "at" during that, then it's even a simple "one daughter goes this way, the other goes the other way" (edited)
Redshirt Army:
inb4 The Lady is the daughter that takes more after Ranald, Haletha takes more after Shallya
Godwinson:
Makes perfect sense to me
The Lady is about the truth and myth of chivalry
Redshirt Army:
protector and deceiver
Godwinson:
Yep
Redshirt Army:
haletha does shadows, hunting, and magic
night prowler and gambler
Godwinson:
Night Prowler manifests in the combination of palace economy and the intended asceticism of the nobility. (edited)
Gambler is the fucking Quest, through and through
Redshirt Army:
oh shit you're right
Godwinson:
It's literally "guided along by random signs"
Redshirt Army:
man I really hope this is true now
Godwinson:
Take the Pilgrimage of Fingers and shift it from Night Prowler to Protector. Done.
Redshirt Army:
amazing
even if this isn't canon in DL I want to see more of this setting anyway
Godwinson:
nods
Oh!
You know how the Protector would basically empower recurring revolutions?
Redshirt Army:
...
Godwinson:
Look at how Grail Knights and the nobility interact
Redshirt Army:
that literally happens in bretonnia
Godwinson:
It's literally that, baked into the system
Redshirt Army:
yes
Godwinson:
YES
Redshirt Army:
now I'm curious
if this is the case
what would the reaction of like
Godwinson:
also
The myth
Of Ranald ascending
Of drinking from Shallya's chalice
stares
Redshirt Army:
...
wait
Godwinson:
It's both metaphor and not
Redshirt Army:
oh my god
the FUCKING GRAIL
Godwinson:
The best way to lie is with the truth
Redshirt Army:
... I have to imagine that most Damsels/Prophetesses don't actually know this
especially if it's a secret being kept from Kuronous
Godwinson:
Hell
Even looking at the Damsels
That's Shallya's touch
Redshirt Army:
the Enchantress knows, probably
but how would a random Damsel react
to the Coin on Father
"wait. what."
... is this an extended Dad Joke by Ranald
Godwinson:
xD
Almost certainly so, as well as other aims
Redshirt Army:
... can I post this conversation in-thread?
Godwinson:
Yes, absolutely, please.
To the people saying this side of the coin isn't useful or we'll never use it, I'd just like to note that the same thing was said about the Protector, and well.
Meanwhile Boney on the balcony: "Write that down, write that down!"Meanwhile, in discord PM's with @Godwinson
Article: Godwinson:
...
Okay, I'm mildly annoyed Truth didn't win, but
Your post theorizing that The Lady is one of Ranald and Shallya's daughters salvaged my mood in reading the post and aftermath
Redshirt Army:
Godwinson:
What's great is
If you look at the most positive forms of Bretonnian culture
If fits with it being a mixture of Ranald and Shallya
Redshirt Army:
yeah it kind of does, doesn't it
Godwinson:
When the system is working, it's very communal without much focus on property, with dedicated warriors going out to right wrongs wherever the path may take them
Redshirt Army:
yep
Godwinson:
It would be an absolutely amazing "Wait, what the fuck????" turn, too
Redshirt Army:
YES
just the reactions
in thread
and Mathilde's reaction
Godwinson:
What's amazing is
Brettonia's dedication to the myth
Even fits with Ranald the Deceiver
It's a nation-wide lie
Redshirt Army:
yeah
stories // lies
Godwinson:
nods
You can absolutely read it as
An attempt to create the ideal society of her parents.
Redshirt Army:
yes
and i mean, actually
if ranald is loec
bretonnia was literally built off of elven ruins
Godwinson:
The elven connection, yeah
Redshirt Army:
the Isha / Shallya connection is interesting too
Godwinson:
nods
Redshirt Army:
since Deathfang says that Isha isn't Rhya
Godwinson:
Isha and Loec's daughters brings up some fascinating ramifications
Redshirt Army:
so... Loec seduced Isha away from Kurnous?
makes sense why they'd want to keep that secret...
Godwinson:
hoo
Yeah
cackles
Almost certainly not true
But it would be hilarious
Redshirt Army:
yes
Godwinson:
Like
That's how Ranald tells her?
xDDD
Redshirt Army:
I give it similar odds to the "ranald stole a dwarf soul" thing being true
Godwinson:
Yes.
Redshirt Army:
although I guess those theories are compatible...
Godwinson:
Redshirt Army:
makes sense - if a god of thieves is gonna have a mortal child, would he settle for any old soul, or would he steal the best quality mastercrafted soul he could get?
Godwinson:
cackles
Absolutely correct
Hell, with his nature, the act of stealing the soul would likely be part of the process of having a mortal child
In the sense of being made part of the living-story that he is.
Redshirt Army:
yeah
anyway this is all speculation
Godwinson:
yep
Fun speculation, though
Redshirt Army:
on the face of it Haletha (Hedgefolk Goddess) / Haleth (Hunting Goddess) / Haleth (Fertility Goddess) seems like a more likely fit? (edited)
Godwinson:
Honestly... that might all just be one goddess
Redshirt Army:
yes
it almost certainly is
Godwinson:
And what's more
If one of the daughters is The Lady
Then Haleth's region would have originally been more-or-less adjacent to where The Lady started out
Redshirt Army:
!
true!
northern empire
north-western
Godwinson:
If we assume that the Reik's outflow is where Ranald and Shallya were "at" during that, then it's even a simple "one daughter goes this way, the other goes the other way" (edited)
Redshirt Army:
inb4 The Lady is the daughter that takes more after Ranald, Haletha takes more after Shallya
Godwinson:
Makes perfect sense to me
The Lady is about the truth and myth of chivalry
Redshirt Army:
protector and deceiver
Godwinson:
Yep
Redshirt Army:
haletha does shadows, hunting, and magic
night prowler and gambler
Godwinson:
Night Prowler manifests in the combination of palace economy and the intended asceticism of the nobility. (edited)
Gambler is the fucking Quest, through and through
Redshirt Army:
oh shit you're right
Godwinson:
It's literally "guided along by random signs"
Redshirt Army:
man I really hope this is true now
Godwinson:
Take the Pilgrimage of Fingers and shift it from Night Prowler to Protector. Done.
Redshirt Army:
amazing
even if this isn't canon in DL I want to see more of this setting anyway
Godwinson:
nods
Oh!
You know how the Protector would basically empower recurring revolutions?
Redshirt Army:
...
Godwinson:
Look at how Grail Knights and the nobility interact
Redshirt Army:
that literally happens in bretonnia
Godwinson:
It's literally that, baked into the system
Redshirt Army:
yes
Godwinson:
YES
Redshirt Army:
now I'm curious
if this is the case
what would the reaction of like
Godwinson:
also
The myth
Of Ranald ascending
Of drinking from Shallya's chalice
stares
Redshirt Army:
...
wait
Godwinson:
It's both metaphor and not
Redshirt Army:
oh my god
the FUCKING GRAIL
Godwinson:
The best way to lie is with the truth
Redshirt Army:
... I have to imagine that most Damsels/Prophetesses don't actually know this
especially if it's a secret being kept from Kuronous
Godwinson:
Hell
Even looking at the Damsels
That's Shallya's touch
Redshirt Army:
the Enchantress knows, probably
but how would a random Damsel react
to the Coin on Father
"wait. what."
... is this an extended Dad Joke by Ranald
Godwinson:
xD
Almost certainly so, as well as other aims
Redshirt Army:
... can I post this conversation in-thread?
Godwinson:
Yes, absolutely, please.
um... wat? Maybe that's where your brain goes with the avelilbe facts but I would not characterise Boney's writing as lacking in fully formed people among all the groups of characters.
We can go without the Gambler for a turn or two when recruiting from the Cults of likely candidates. That would probably be worth it unless all of our guesses are terrible and we spread them over too many turns.
