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As Thorek approaches, there is a crack of metal on marble as the Arbiter slams the haft of his ceremonial halberd on the flagstones. "Master Runelord Thorek Ironbrow of Karak Azul," he intones, his eyes locked on the approaching Dwarf, his expression unreadable.
@Boney Was the Arbiter announcing Thorek's presence using Eltharin?

plus, does the name Thorek Ironbrow get pronounced the same in Eltharin as it is in Khazalid/Reikspiel/etc?
Or is the name just left untranslated so it doesn't get mangled?
 
Not sure why you think the Volley Gun fires so many more shots. It doesn't (max 16 vs 24). And it misfires more often.
At the time of that article, the volley gun fired 3 artillery dice worth of shots, at S4 and a range of 24".
The organ gun fired 1 artillery dice worth, at S5, with 18" range.
The artillery dice was a d6 with misfire, 2,4,6,8 an 10.

6th edition is the last edition i played.
 
At the time of that article, the volley gun fired 3 artillery dice worth of shots, at S4 and a range of 24".
The organ gun fired 1 artillery dice worth, at S5, with 18" range.
The artillery dice was a d6 with misfire, 2,4,6,8 an 10.

6th edition is the last edition i played.
I can't remember what the organ gun and volley gun rules in 7th edition where but in 8th edition is was 2 atri dice for the organ gun and it had a lower chance of misfire.
 
I can't remember what the organ gun and volley gun rules in 7th edition where but in 8th edition is was 2 atri dice for the organ gun and it had a lower chance of misfire.
I've just been looking at the nerf the volley gun got and the buff the organ gun got in 7th and 8th.

Back in 6th, hellblasters were a ridiculously good area denial tool.
 
@Boney Was the Arbiter announcing Thorek's presence using Eltharin?

Yes.

plus, does the name Thorek Ironbrow get pronounced the same in Eltharin as it is in Khazalid/Reikspiel/etc?
Or is the name just left untranslated so it doesn't get mangled?

The Arbiter said the name the way it's pronounced in Khazalid. There's no established convention for translating Dwarven names into Eltharin.
 
The Arbiter said the name the way it's pronounced in Khazalid. There's no established convention for translating Dwarven names into Eltharin.

Hmm. There definitely isn't a present convention on how to translate Dwarven names into Eltharin, but there probably would have been one in the Golden Age prior to the War of Vengeance.

I wonder if the Arbiter knew that convention at the time (he may not have, if he was just a rank-and-file soldier at the time), if he still remembers it if he did know it (it would have been pretty useless knowledge for several thousand years), and if he would care to extend that courtesy even if he did remember it (having fought in a ruinous war against said Dwarves).
 
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At the time of that article, the volley gun fired 3 artillery dice worth of shots, at S4 and a range of 24".
The organ gun fired 1 artillery dice worth, at S5, with 18" range.
The artillery dice was a d6 with misfire, 2,4,6,8 an 10.

6th edition is the last edition i played.
First, yeesh. Second, having looked up the rules, how the fuck did anyone ever fire the Volley Gun? 42% chance of a misfire every time? Jesus.

Hmm. There definitely isn't a present convention on how to translate Dwarven names into Eltharin, but there probably would have been one in the Golden Age prior to the War of Vengeance.

I wonder if the Arbiter knew that convention at the time (he may not have, if he was just a rank-and-file soldier at the time), if he still remembers it if he did know it (it would have been pretty useless knowledge for several thousand years), and if he would care to extend that courtesy even if he did remember it (having fought in a ruinous war against said Dwarves).
Stuff like this also makes me wonder what the polite name for the War of the Beard is. Like, there definitely has to be a way, right?
 
First, yeesh. Second, having looked up the rules, how the fuck did anyone ever fire the Volley Gun? 42% chance of a misfire every time? Jesus.
You could choose not to fire all barrels, so it's not that bad.
And there's also a psychological warfare element to it.
Put the cannon somewhere strategic and watch your opponent tiptoe around it to try not get blasted into smithereens.
 
You could choose not to fire all barrels, so it's not that bad.
And there's also a psychological warfare element to it.
Put the cannon somewhere strategic and watch your opponent tiptoe around it to try not get blasted into smithereens.
I mean, according to the copy of the book I have, 6th says you fire all the barrels every time. Although yes, even in 8th 24" of "step here and die" is very useful. Although I think at this point we're off topic. I think there's a general WHFB thread around somewhere?
 
Stuff like this also makes me wonder what the polite name for the War of the Beard is. Like, there definitely has to be a way, right?
"Many of your cities are built on what were once ours, before the..." he glances around the camp. "The disagreement with the Karaz Ankor. Much of Tilea, and Marienburg, of course, but also Altdorf and Talabheim and even Kislev City. So I suppose it is no wonder you added many of our Gods to the pantheons you brought from the east."
There is a way! And to think all it took was being hired by Karak Kadrin for an expedition full of dwarves after a century or two of exile. :V
 
but there probably would have been one in the Golden Age prior to the War of Vengeance.
What makes you say that? I don't think name translations is something that happens oftens so I don't see why there should be one for Elf-dwarfs?

More to point both sides are too proud to let others butcher their names of all things so I am certain they never translate the names.
 
I still can't believe that's canonical. The EC of Ostermark loses the dozens of wagonloads of gold they paid, and gets their fortress torn down, over what is functionally pocket change. It's realistic, but the fact that no one so much as threw a gold coin to get the dwarves to leave peacefully boggles the mind.
You likely have to figure that the expenses of reclaiming the Grudge are added to the monetary compensation demanded. So it starts at two and a half pennies. Then it's two and a half pennies plus the cost of sending repeated messages after whatever grace period of freebies that may not actually exist because Dawi. Then it's that plus the wages, travel expenses, and lodging for the party you send to demand payment in person, continuing to add up as long as they're ignored or denied. Then it's the cost of mustering the Throng that you send to more forcefully demand payment.


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There is a way! And to think all it took was being hired by Karak Kadrin for an expedition full of dwarves after a century or two of exile. :V
That seems less like a polite way and more like Asarnil doesn't know a polite way so he talks around the thing, and that would make sense because he's Caledorian. But genuinely, I can't imagine that every Elf in the last 5000 years has been so anti-Dwarf that they only call it the War of the Beard.
 
That seems less like a polite way and more like Asarnil doesn't know a polite way so he talks around the thing, and that would make sense because he's Caledorian. But genuinely, I can't imagine that every Elf in the last 5000 years has been so anti-Dwarf that they only call it the War of the Beard.
The War of Vengeance is what the Dwarfs call it, and if you're polite or respectful towards the Dwarfs that's what you'd call it. I have yet to see an Elf call it the War of Vengeance however.

In fact, I typically call it the War of Vengeance myself, because I think War of the Beard kind of trivialises the event.
 
The War of Vengeance is what the Dwarfs call it, and if you're polite or respectful towards the Dwarfs that's what you'd call it. I have yet to see an Elf call it the War of Vengeance however.

In fact, I typically call it the War of Vengeance myself, because I think War of the Beard kind of trivialises the event.

Only if you think beards are trivial, at most it sounds odd to me, like calling WWI 'the war of the Sarajevo Assassination'.
 
Only if you think beards are trivial, at most it sounds odd to me, like calling WWI 'the war of the Sarajevo Assassination'.
No Dwarf I've ever seen calls it the War of the Beard, and they certainly don't consider beards trivial. I think Elves call it the War of the Beard because they think the fact the war was fought over a beard is stupid and they're subtly making fun of the Dwarves for it.
 
That seems less like a polite way and more like Asarnil doesn't know a polite way so he talks around the thing, and that would make sense because he's Caledorian. But genuinely, I can't imagine that every Elf in the last 5000 years has been so anti-Dwarf that they only call it the War of the Beard.
These are elgi. There's undoubtedly at least seventeen different translations of War of the Beard that emphasize different aspects of it and subtly cast blame every which way.

And less memetically, calling it the War of Vengeance means accepting that the Dawi were right, which is a hard ask due to both pride and the social backlash that may result.
 
Speaking of the War of Vengenace, I have to say that the process of reading through it from both the Dwarf and High Elf army books in 8th edition is certainly... an experience. You would expect each book to try to present their side as in the right yeah? Well...:

"In their outrage, the Dwarfs chopped down entire virgin forests simply to spite the Elves. It was not enough for them to breach Elven fortresses and topple their elegant towers, as on more than one occasion the Dwarfs did not stop their war machine barrages until no two stones stood atop each other. For their part, the Elves poisoned tarns and made pacts with unholy tree spirits in order to gain any battlefield advantage they could. When beset by entire armies of Dwarfs harnessed in mail impenetrable to their arrows, the Elves resorted to all manner of black-hearted trickery, feigned surrender and magical deception." Dwarfs 8th Edition Pg.10

"The war engendered a legacy of hatred and bitterness that was to last for thousands of years. In response to the beard-shaving incidents, the vengeful dwarfs chopped down entire virgin forests simply to spite the Elves. In revenge, the Elves poisoned the tarns and underground lakes from which the Dwarfs drew their water, and a great sickness spread throughout the World's Edge Mountains." High Elves 8th edition Pg.20

If 8th Edition is trying to make me feel like both committed atrocities of equal horrificness, then they failed to make me feel that way. Maybe I don't care about the environment enough, but poisoning the water supply and feigning surrender seems worse to me than cutting down trees and completely destroying fortifications.
 
Speaking of the War of Vengenace, I have to say that the process of reading through it from both the Dwarf and High Elf army books in 8th edition is certainly... an experience. You would expect each book to try to present their side as in the right yeah? Well...:

"In their outrage, the Dwarfs chopped down entire virgin forests simply to spite the Elves. It was not enough for them to breach Elven fortresses and topple their elegant towers, as on more than one occasion the Dwarfs did not stop their war machine barrages until no two stones stood atop each other. For their part, the Elves poisoned tarns and made pacts with unholy tree spirits in order to gain any battlefield advantage they could. When beset by entire armies of Dwarfs harnessed in mail impenetrable to their arrows, the Elves resorted to all manner of black-hearted trickery, feigned surrender and magical deception." Dwarfs 8th Edition Pg.10

"The war engendered a legacy of hatred and bitterness that was to last for thousands of years. In response to the beard-shaving incidents, the vengeful dwarfs chopped down entire virgin forests simply to spite the Elves. In revenge, the Elves poisoned the tarns and underground lakes from which the Dwarfs drew their water, and a great sickness spread throughout the World's Edge Mountains." High Elves 8th edition Pg.20

If 8th Edition is trying to make me feel like both committed atrocities of equal horrificness, then they failed to make me feel that way. Maybe I don't care about the environment enough, but poisoning the water supply and feigning surrender seems worse to me than cutting down trees and completely destroying fortifications.

Forest and river spirits were the elves close allies and friends in the old world - in several cases elves and spirits were married. So chopping down forests wasn't "just" an environmental issue, it was mass slaughter of a polity allied to the elves.
 
If 8th Edition is trying to make me feel like both committed atrocities of equal horrificness, then they failed to make me feel that way. Maybe I don't care about the environment enough, but poisoning the water supply and feigning surrender seems worse to me than cutting down trees and completely destroying fortifications.
The wording is quite ambiguous, but I get the feeling it was supposed to imply the dwarfs leveled the fortifications down to the flagstones, and then didn't stop when they started hitting the cities previously protected by said fortifications. Still not quite to the extent of poisoning civil water supplies and feigning surrender, though.
 
Forest and river spirits were the elves close allies and friends in the old world - in several cases elves and spirits were married. So chopping down forests wasn't "just" an environmental issue, it was mass slaughter of a polity allied to the elves.
Not every forest has spirits associated with it. If so, the Ulrikadrin are killing allies of the Elves right now and so is every Imperial living next to a forest. If they want me to believe that there were spirits associated with those forests, they should mention it.

In fact, isn't poisoning the water supply also harmful to the environment? And say what you want about spirits, but the children also need that water supply, so honestly, I'm more sympathetic to all the people who got sick from drinking poisoned water than the forest spirits.
 
Not every forest has spirits associated with it. If so, the Ulrikadrin are killing allies of the Elves right now and so is every Imperial living next to a forest. If they want me to believe that there were spirits associated with those forests, they should mention it.

In fact, isn't poisoning the water supply also harmful to the environment? And say what you want about spirits, but the children also need that water supply, so honestly, I'm more sympathetic to all the people who got sick from drinking poisoned water than the forest spirits.

These days yes not every forest has spirits, but the world was more filled with fey in the woods four thousand years ago when chaos has less power and less chance to poison the deep woods.
 
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