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- Utrecht
Yeah, But unlike Morr and Dreams, Ranald is not in any way related to Libraries, which makes it shoehorning.
We've already tried it once in Stirland, and it failed.
This is an even worse fit.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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We've already tried it once in Stirland, and it failed.
This is an even worse fit.
Codex
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Yeah I'm sure the people getting into the library are going to be so mad that some of the layout looks like a cross.
- Location
- Canada
Sorry. Was grumpy and looking for something to complain about.
"Lof" is still good. I like that it sounds similar to Zhuf. Good word association. Flowing gases, flowing air, flowing water, etc.
I still feel it was lazy writing though. If "Hvitlof" is supposed to be translated "Paledamp", not "Whitedamp", why not just write Paledamp? Save Whitedamp for "Wyrlof". It doesn't need a complicated explanation about inexact translations.
From the look of it they just wanted something that "sounds Dwarfy", and grabbed some German-sounding and Scandinavian-sounding stuff rather than... actually bothering with Khazalid. "Luft", German for Air. "Kvel" and "Hvit", which google translate insists are Norwegian.
It would be appropriate for Norse Dwarves though. If we're imagining explanations, maybe that's some more linguistic drift between them and baseline Khazalid.
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- Location
- Utrecht
I was more referring to the Cats. The cross is subtle enough that most people won't notice.
Having cats/cat statues is quite a bit more obvious.
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Cat statues maybe, but someone pointed out Library Cats are a thing, so I don't think people would instantly associate that with Ranald.
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- Norway
To me it looks inspired by the old Germanic names for elements, including several gases. RL archaic Norwegian examples: Kvelstoff nitrogen, Surstoff oxygen, Vannstoff hydrogen, Solstoff helium, Kullstoff carbon.
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- Academy City
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Because it's a translation of the word, not the etymology. For instance, if I were translating an English term to French, I might say "Pomme de Terre (English Potato)" even though the English word for earth isn't anywhere within the word Potato. What's important is that the Khazalid and Reikspeil word are referring to the same gas. Perhaps it's a situation like firedamp, where the empire is 1500s miners referring to it by observed properties and the dwarves call it methane because they have a better understanding of the chemistry involved.
- Location
- Chicago
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- She/They
If we are thinking of gods in and around the library, is like to make a case for including Valaya. This was her mountain originally, we are likely going to get a choice of using her old temple as a base to expand on, and hearth/home have strong associations with books- reading by the fire after the work is done.
So I like Vernara and Valaya as the two obvious ones to honor, with myrmidia as civilization and Ranald as protector for secondaries.
So I like Vernara and Valaya as the two obvious ones to honor, with myrmidia as civilization and Ranald as protector for secondaries.
I'm not so sure about that. I mean it does for us in the modern age who have books in our homes, in a pre-modern world though books were something a privileged few could access and they generally did not bring it into that most private space of the hearth, but instead read by candlelight in a library or study.
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- Canada
That does sound a lot more interesting.
But it leaves me annoyed that either A, the writer didn't think it through very much, or B, they did think it through quite a lot but neglected to elaborate on it to the degree that I want them to.
Valaya invented the dwarven writing system, so she's actually a really appropriate patron for a library in a dwarf hold, although, as you say, not because of her associations with the hearth, but because she's the inventor of the whole concept.
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Religous dedication can be decided on later when we actually get the library going. I'm fond of the idea of designing the library to have cross shapes if you look at the floor plan and maybe have library cats to clear vermin and boost morale, but I don't want anything more significant than that for Ranald. I'm fond of the idea because this is one of Mathilde's most defining works, something that could hopefully last far after her death. Mathilde has Piety 26 and we had multiple choices to make her more polythiestic, but we chose not to. Like yeah she respects and venerates other gods, but nowhere near as much as Ranald. I think including him in even a small and subtle way is a neat thing to include our oldest friend in perhaps one of Mathilde's most significant creations.
Verena is a shoe in for sure, I don't see why we wouldn't get her involved when her cult is literally all about what we're doing. I'm not sure about anything more than that. Maybe if our staff is heavily Tilean/Estalian they'll suggest a dedication to Myrmidia in the "Tilean/Estalian Literature" section, and maybe if we have a Halfling staff they'll want a Quinsberry dedication in the "Halfling Literature" section, but that's thinking too far ahead. We're still in the architecture and planning section.
Verena is a shoe in for sure, I don't see why we wouldn't get her involved when her cult is literally all about what we're doing. I'm not sure about anything more than that. Maybe if our staff is heavily Tilean/Estalian they'll suggest a dedication to Myrmidia in the "Tilean/Estalian Literature" section, and maybe if we have a Halfling staff they'll want a Quinsberry dedication in the "Halfling Literature" section, but that's thinking too far ahead. We're still in the architecture and planning section.
Fair enough that is a good association.
Particularly as the dwarves apparently taught the humans of the Empire; and through them the later Bretonnians, about writing. She's the originator of the concept of storing knowledge as the written word even more than Verena is for an Imperial like Mathilde.
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I wonder if we might be able to use the goodwill from building this Library to get access to what the Verenans know about Waystones? It's quite possibly going to be the largest and most effective institution pursuing the central tenet of their faith - the preservation of knowledge - in the Old World, and possibly beyond. (The Verenans no doubt have their own kickass libraries, but I doubt they can defend them as well the Karaz Ankor can and will defend Karak Eight Peaks.)
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Omegahugger
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If they don't prove coorperative, we could always get it the Ranaldian way. All it would take is a coin turnés the right way, if you get what I'm saying.
… The Ranaldian way is stealing shit.
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- Denial
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While I like the idea of including a number of different races' knowledge gods this does run the risk of disputes between the various clergies. We'd need to be careful in selecting the sects we invite to help, both to make sure they can and want to get along and to ensure that they agree with out own goals for the library.
Omegahugger
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I think you mean "accepted" here.
Even if for no other reason than it's probably impossible to find a single bust of Tzeentch that all his followers would accept.
A short, possibly incomplete list of library appropriate Warhammer gods:
Tzeentch, the Lord of Change (Chaos)
Tahoth, the Ibis headed Scholar of the Gods (Nehekhara)
Valaya, Ancestor Goddess of Hearth and Home (Dwarf)
Hoeth, Lord of Wisdom (Elf)
Clio, Goddess of History (Human)
Scripsisti, Goddess of Scribes (Human)
Verena, Goddess of Justice and Learning (Human)
Renbaeth the Shrewd, Patron of Lawyers (Human)
Stovarok, God of Storytelling (Human)
Tzeentch, the Lord of Change (Chaos)
Tahoth, the Ibis headed Scholar of the Gods (Nehekhara)
Valaya, Ancestor Goddess of Hearth and Home (Dwarf)
Hoeth, Lord of Wisdom (Elf)
Clio, Goddess of History (Human)
Scripsisti, Goddess of Scribes (Human)
Verena, Goddess of Justice and Learning (Human)
Renbaeth the Shrewd, Patron of Lawyers (Human)
Stovarok, God of Storytelling (Human)
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I feel that in arguing that one particular anti-library argument was bunk I actually overly supported the library faction. Like, it's true that voting for the library is voting in support of (one of) our new jobs and that voting for Belegar means clinging to our old job and old friends, but I don't actually care.
I really like Belegar. And I really am curious about seeing our successor and what said person make out of their predecessor's legacy. Compared to that Galenstra is just some vaguely cool elf whose elven perception of timespans should give is ample time to get to him later.
I really like Belegar. And I really am curious about seeing our successor and what said person make out of their predecessor's legacy. Compared to that Galenstra is just some vaguely cool elf whose elven perception of timespans should give is ample time to get to him later.
- Location
- USA
I'm pretty sure the thread doesn't care either. I mean, if we really wanted to jettison our past connections, the thread never would've spent so much time over the EIC, Wilhelmina and her granddaughter, and Anton when Mathilde could've just gone all-in on K8P.On the topic of using unclean lore for good ends, just how mad would Nurgle be if someone used his bible of every plague ever to make vaccines for everything?
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Well, firstly, I'm pretty sure that Nurgle's plague catalog doesn't come with the genome sequences listed. Secondly, to my knowledge nowhere in the Old World has much of a concept of microbiology, much less virology, so even if Nurgle's Big Book of Plagues had such listed, I'm pretty sure no one could actually understand what any of it meant. Thirdly, most obscure magical tomes and especially Chaos grimoires tend to be cursed to hell and back, so only a Nurglite cultist would likely even have the unnatural constitution needed to endure reading passages from it, and possibly so much as physically handling it.
And finally, the bulk of Nurgle's designer plagues are either partially or completely magical in nature, so I'm dubious of the notion of a physical, mundane vaccine being able to do anything to stop future infections. And there's already magical cures in both certain Arcane and Divine Lores that can counteract them anyway. So it all ultimately seems like a staggering amount of risk, no-holds-barred violation of the Articles and trying to decipher information that you don't even possess all the first principles of, assuming it is included at all, for ultimately no guarantee of meaningful results.
As for how angry he would be? Probably nothing short of apoplectic. But the rather more likely outcome is that he's laughing at another silly mortal's downfall.