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Good points. The empire's Black Death is ancient history (the year 1111) rather than having recently halved their population.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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On one hand those cities didn't have Orcs randomly attacking them, on the other their farmland wasn't randomly attacked by Orcs. Yet human mercenaries may actually be worse threat in Tilean than almost everything else.
*Looks at Skavenblight* Mmm.
Now I'm thinking of plagues.
Riverine trade and the extensive canal network of the UK were the oft-forgotten enablers of industrialisation back in the 18th century, and it makes me very happy that BoneyM acknowledges that. Railways often are touted as the drivers of industrialisation, rather than a consequence of it - steelworking on that scale and complexity requires existing infrastructure to already be in place, whereas improving the accessibility of rivers, dredging and canal digging can be done by a bunch of lads with shovels and gumption.
When the Black Lake/Aver canal is completed, bridging waterways across a mountain range akin to the Panama (far ahead of its time, thanks to the Dawi), the Empire might soon realise there's something to this whole canalisation business.
When the Black Lake/Aver canal is completed, bridging waterways across a mountain range akin to the Panama (far ahead of its time, thanks to the Dawi), the Empire might soon realise there's something to this whole canalisation business.
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I think gumption is a romantic way to describe working conditions of Navvys, if nothing else its a huge amount of earth that needs to be displaced. But I'm having a hard time to find pre-railway reference material to source that belief.
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Building the canals was one of the toughest jobs. We often hear about the famous engineers, but what about men actually doing the construction work?
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So, this confused me, and I hate to "um, actually", but the funny thing is that the Black Lake canal connects to the River Aver rather than the River Stir. This is because the River Aver is to the south of Stirland and is the river connecting Stirland to Averland.
It confused me at first as I looked at the map, but the provinces being named after the rivers (or vice versa) makes this annoying. The River Reik slinks into Wissenland, the River Talabec extends into Ostermark, and the River Stir is just as much in Talabecland as it is in Stirland.
I think gumption is a romantic way to describe working conditions of Navvys, if nothing else its a huge amount of earth that needs to be displaced. But I'm having a hard time to find pre-railway reference material to source that belief.
Construction workers who built the canals - Canal Boat
Building the canals was one of the toughest jobs. We often hear about the famous engineers, but what about men actually doing the construction work?www.canalboat.co.uk
'Shovels and gumption' is of course being glib about the requirement of a whole load of manpower, but canal building, unlike railways, doesn't require a fully functioning, high volume industrial logistics network to process raw iron ore into steel rails. It's entirely within the Empire's current capabilities, if they recognise the use of it.
It makes a bit more sense from a northern perspective. Centre your PoV on Middenland - the middle land - and if you cross the Tabalec, you're in Talabecland, and if you then cross the Stir, you're in Stirland, and if you then cross the Aver, you're in Averland. If from Middenland you cross the Reik, you're in Reikland, and then if you cross the Sol, you're in what used to be Solland.
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And Sigmar came from the North, right?
He was from northern Reikland, and his earliest allies were the northern tribes and his earliest campaigns were in the north. So yeah, pretty much.
One oddity in the province names is Wissenland. Every other province has an easy explanation - river-land, middle-land, high-land, north-land, east-land. But Wissenland seems to mean 'land of the wise'. My theory is that when Reikspiel was being developed by fusing Unberogen with Khazalid, the Merogens of what would become Wissenland were the ones acting as go-betweens to the Dwarves, since they had good relations with the Dwarves even before Sigmar sealed an alliance with the High King. And when the maps were being drawn up and needed shiny new names in this shiny new language, I don't think it's a coincidence that the Merogens were the only ones that didn't get a bland geographical name for their homeland.
Huh...interesting and very cool read. I have to say that of all the things I enjoy about this thread the time and attention you put into naming things is probably my favorite. I never could manage to take that sort of wide ranging linguistic hand in things myself as a writer, but it was one of the things I most loved about Tolkien as a kid, just the way he made things feel like real history, well more real mythology in his case, but you get the idea
I always thought it came from "Wiesen" as in grassland, because I think that part is less forested, and the wrong spelling is either GW being not-so-great at German OOC, or IC linguistic drift, potentially driven by folk etymology that has a reasoning like what you have in your post.
Interesting. It could be. Only the parts of Wissenland near the Reik are fertile and the land gets increasingly rocky and harsh towards the mountains, but in the days of the Merogens it makes sense that they would have only populated the fertile parts. This strikes me as something that would be hotly debated by scholars, with the University of Nuln pushing the 'wise land' interpretation and everyone else going for the 'grassy land, possibly sarcastic' interpretation.
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Also, the southern parts of Wissenland that aren't as grassy used to be its own Province called Solland. Back when it was named Wissenland might indeed have been all grasslands.
EDIT: Ah, you mentioned them already.
Solland was the eastern part of modern Wissenland, between the Reik and the Sol. Original Wissenland is the narrow strip between the Reik and the Grey Mountains.
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Grassy because only grass can grow in much of it rather than forests?
I think "Both and they fight over it in universe" may be the canonical truth. I looked to see if I could find a source that called it Wiesenland, and found the German lexicanum page. Which calls it... Whisenland.
And then gives both Wissenland and Wiesenland as possible alternatives. So the modern empire may not even be sure of the correct meaning of the original name.
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Er, do you mean the Vaults/Black Mountains? Because the Grey Mountains are the range that form a natural border between the Empire and Bretonnia.
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I didn't think they were that much worse than IRL Italian mercenenaries.
I remember a stone age canal being the first megaproject in the Paths of Civilization quest.
'Wiese' seems to imply pasture rather than scrub.
No, the Grey. The original Wissenland is nestled up against Karak Norn's stretch of the Grey Mountains, with Athel Loren on the other side. The Vaults are further south, where the Grey and Black Mountains meet.
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Arguably, it was the construction of the Bridgewater Canal that started the British Industrial Age—railways came decades later, long after the canal network was well established.
Seeing a story set in a vaguely late medieval/early industrial period where canals are a major economic factor also makes me happy. It's quite unusual.
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I was thinking either a German or Latin-to-English structure. Suebi became Suebia, then Swabia in English, and in German that was Schwaben. So Unberogen works for Imperial, but in Albish or Bretonnian it might be Unberogia. And that's Reikland.