Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.

People really do seem married to the Wife vote.

I guess you could say Killer was murdered.

Matriarch… er. Puns anyone?

Edit: I also admire the solitary Widow vote Bees. I would make a joke about Widow being on its own but frankly I'm about to go to bed.
 
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Hey what information do we have on the higher realms of cultivation? Specifically in how they work/details of their function like we have for lower realms.
 
Well I came across someone saying in thread that Cyan(?) involves something along the lines of turning/refining your organs into pearls? I think? Can't remember where, so it might not be ligit, I was just wondering if we had any more details like that.
 
Well I came across someone saying in thread that Cyan(?) involves something along the lines of turning/refining your organs into pearls? I think? Can't remember where, so it might not be ligit, I was just wondering if we had any more details like that.

i think the one you were talking to remembert this lesson.

"I see the question in your minds, those of you with lesser backgrounds. For the vast majority of cultivators, only the lower dantian is relevant, and so common parlance, it is simply referred to in the singular. You however, are among those for whom the others may be relevant. The middle dantian," he began tapping a spindly finger against his chest. "Is opened in the fourth realm, and acts as a forge to refine your qi into a purer form, known as shen, in doing you will sever your mortal vulnerabilities one by one, and their vital functions will be incorporated into the middle dantian as energy constructs referred to as pearls." Elder Jiao then raised his hand, tapping once on his own forehead, directly between his eyes. "There is also the upper dantian. However, it is almost certainly irrelevant to all of you, only those who rise to the violet realm need concern themselves with that."
 
Loyalty Earned, Loyalty Given
A Look into a Future: Loyalty Earned, Loyalty Given.


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Following Ling Krissa was always an adventure, Pan Liwen thought. Krissa was not a woman of direct paths, or really any direction at all. Her thoughts were as messy as her half of their room, and twice as winding. She could go from discussing the merits of wind spiritual arts in balancing a foundation to how to hunt steel clawed hawks without missing a beat, leaving everyone else in the dust. Pan Liwen was able to keep up better than most, though only from experience. Still, the Ling scion was a genius, and it showed: she was already a half-step green, and the Argent Sect's truce had ended just a month ago. Even the Zheng Lady didn't dare face them in open combat, only funding agents in the dark to stir unrest.

Even so, the cave she was following her blonde roommate into did not comfort the mind. The fact that Krissa was talking about spirit veins, rather than where they were going, didn't help. They were technically out after the curfew set by Cai Shuying, though Liwen doubted the Cai Lady would openly criticize her allied ducal.

"But I digress," the heiress spoke casually, as if she didn't expect to be understood. "Have you kept up with your readings on the history of the Ling?"

"Ah." Liwen flushed. She had in fact read everything the outer sect had on the Ling, but it was either too dry or too artsy for her to remember clearly. She remembered reading it, for sure, but didn't internalize anything. She fidgeted, the most classic action of any bad student exposed before their idol.

Krissa laughed. "I get it. Dad makes a game of trying to make our history as obtuse as possible. Says it needs to be to match the other dukes' longer pasts.

"Anyway, while knowing about the courts would help a lot with this, all you really need to know is that the Duchess, Ling Xiaoyu, is expansionist. Well, that's a bit of an oversimplification, because the expansionist faction of the Ling differs from the expansionist faction of the Emerald Seas significantly, and even more so from the Empire's expansionists, but suffice to say Duchess Ling is a reformer, putting her at odds with her court and the Mountain, but gaining the favor of the Ice Queen."

Pan Liwen understood some of that. Well, she recognized the names of the Ling's ancestor spirits. "Uh huh. And what's that have to do with why we're delving in this misty cave?"

"So impatient!" Krissa huffed, though by the mirth in her round eyes she wasn't really angry. "It's important politics, you know? That's why we still go to the Argent Sect, even when Copper Peak, back home in the Wall, is far better at raising musicians."

"Right, well I don't know any of that. I just live around here."

The cave tunnel widened up to a central corridor, arched above in a naturally acoustic fashion. Krissa drew a stool from her storage ring, taking a seat at the room's center and drawing her two-stringed violin from her storage ring. She closed her eyes, drawing her bow across the strings in a testing note, then a simple, lighthearted melody that filled Pan Liwen's mind with memories of sitting by the hearth at home, listening to mother telling stories.

Rooming with Ling Krissa was no coincidence for Pan Liwen. The foreigner stood out like a sore thumb on the first day, tall, toned, and dressed in a fur-trimmed azure dress. Liwen didn't know where she was going to room until midnight on the first day, when she heard the girl's music from the roof of the dorm she commandeered. Liwen saw that beautiful figure, the fairy descending to the mortal world to teach the lowly rabble culture, and knew she had to follow her. So when Krissa played, Liwen listened, and blocked everything else out.

"That's right," Krissa said, her voice fading into the background but imprinting itself in Liwen's memory. "You live in the Emerald Seas. That's why you matter, and why you're here."

It was strange, how even her words could fit the melody, when Krissa played. "Here like at the sect, or here like this cave?"

"Both. Neither the sect nor I would have accepted you were you not native."

She felt a little miffed. "So you only care about where I come from?"

Krissa kicked her in the shins. "Don't be like that. I like you for you. But I wish to be an Emissary, and I can hardly achieve that by only associating with my kin."

Her hand swished to her storage ring between notes, tossing a thick, runed iron pillar towards Liwen that she caught with both hands.

"That reminds me, can you deploy that? Just press the flat end into the ground and tap the top."

Liwen did so, and felt the barrier deploy around them, cutting off the whispers of air passing through the cave, and leaving them with just Krissa's music.

"Uncle Qing supplied me with a number of privacy barriers for my time here," She explained. "Great Aunt wanted to do the favor instead, but the sect doesn't like it when they can't see all of their disciples at all times."

"But why this cave? Couldn't we do this anywhere?" Liwen asked.

"That brings me back to my original point. What do you know of the Diao and the Ling?"

Liwen blinked. "Cai Shuying's retainer? What about her?"

Ling Krissa laughed. "Did you know the Ling used to be retainers of the Cai?"

Pan Liwen gaped. The Cai were barely older than the Ling, by the records, and a smaller family besides. "How?"

"The Duchess Ling was the retainer of Grand Tutor Renxiang," Ling Krissa said, spitting the 'Tutor' title like acid.

"So the Ling broke off from the Cai in settling the Wall, and the Cai got angry at you?" Liwen reasoned. "But the Cai lady was so polite to us when you attended the peace conference."

"Hardly, the Ling are not so unloyal," Krissa snorted. "The betrayal did not come from us."

"But someone was betrayed?"

"Precisely. The Diao love the imperial ways, no matter how outdated. The Ling remember our original history. The Cai decided that our bond was not worth our past."

The word 'Weilu' ghosted into Liwen's mind, carried by a wind she couldn't notice before. It passed through both stone and barrier like they were air. She looked up, and could feel the faint radiance of the moon through dozens of meters of solid rock. She felt like she could hear the moon snicker.

"Holding a history lesson, Krissa? May I join?" A bold voice that sent shivers down Liwen's spine emanated.

The woman leaned against the cavern's far wall, not present a second earlier. Her red hair was cut straight and scandalously close to her scalp on one side, falling messily onto her shoulder on the other. Her robes hung off her arms, exposing her wrapped chest and chiseled midsection. More importantly, she was Bronze, having broken through in the past week. With her as always were her three goons, Lao Feng, Shi Jin, and Fang Shen. Whenever trouble started in the outer sect, one of them was always behind it.

"Perfunctorily late as always, Miss Yaoye. Please, take a seat." Krissa replied without missing a beat.

The lout waltzed in like she owned the place, setting her own chair which she unceremoniously kicked back to lean back on. "Don't mind if I do. Finally introducing the little chick to us, huh?"

Krissa sighed. "If you would, please refrain from suggesting we were conspiring to such an extent while I explain this to Liwen."

"Conspiracy?" Liwen squeaked.

Zheng Yaoye nodded sagely. "She and I go way back, y'know. We've been in talks about overthrowing the tyrant since the first week of classes."

"I am, as ever, committed to the order and stability of the outer sect for supporting the growth and development of disciples," Ling Krissa replied, in blunt monotone.

Zheng Yaoye guffawed. "That's a Ling for you! No lies, but I don't see a lot of truth there either."

Krissa sniffed, and Pan Liwen gaped. When did they build such a rapport? They never even looked at each other at council meetings, much less talked to the other. Were they… involved? But Liwen was Krissa's roommate! She hid her face behind her hands. Krissa stopped playing to pat her on the head, before scowling at the Zheng, who just grinned.

"Look at you! You've made her all useless now." Krissa complained. "And don't get me started on your behavior. So unscrupulous, flouting every law you can because you don't agree with them."

Yaoye just shrugged. "Some laws are made to be broken. In'it right, Feng?" Her lackey nodded along.

"The Lao ban on alcohol, revelry, and all enjoyable activities was well-thought out, rigorously planned, and definitely not a staged cause for a righteous band of plucky heroes to gather together to save the province." He said, deadpan.

"And that's how it goes. Sometimes you just gotta knock around some heads to get 'em less stuck up."

Liwen's brain sputtered like a dying motor. Krissa set her on her lap to knead her temples. "Back to the point. So, Liwen. What do you think loyalty is?"

Pan Liwen looked up into her sky blue eyes, and tried not to squirm. "It's, um, always being there for your lord, and helping her where you can?"

"And what is loyalty to a lord? What makes a lord worthy of loyalty?"

She scrunched up her small brows, trying to find an adequate answer. "Power? Kindness? Respect? Assistance?" Krissa tilted her head. "All of those?" Liwen offered.

"Perhaps. For us," Krissa waved toward the Zheng and her companions, then over herself. "Loyalty is not so transactional. It is something we offer without expectation, and in turn we receive Connection without judgment."

Shi Jin nodded. "Well said. I expect nothing from Yaoye-" "Cause she's got nothing to offer." Fang Shen interjected, before yowling as his master tugged his ear. "-and in turn am rewarded independent of services rendered. While there can be transactional aspects, they are not the core of why we interact with Yaoye. We do so because we want to."

"On my first day at the sect," Ling Krissa whispered into Liwen's ear, her cold tone sending shivers down her spine. "Cai Shuying asked me to be her retainer. In the presence of Diao Xing. I have never been so insulted in my life."

"What'd she say, 'Just like old times'?" Zheng Yaoye chuckled.

"She spoke of old bonds that could be rekindled. As if the oath taken by Duchess Ling was not to two figures long gone, long discarded by them." Krissa spoke, her words more venomous than Liwen had ever heard before in her life.

"Which brings us to now," Yaoye continued, with the resonant articulation of a natural orator. "An autocrat expands her cruel grasp over the helpless denizens of the outer sect, stifling opportunity and means of development. We, of course, as naturally moral and upright characters, could hardly let such tyranny run unchecked."

"You've brought the goods?" Krissa asked.

"Of course. We will suffer through no siege tonight, my lady," the Zheng replied, twirling a thick engraved baton in her hand, before passing it off to Shen. "You've done quite the number on the night watch, or so I've heard. Got them chasing ghosts all over."

"Naturally. Our early detection would jeopardize the entire plan."

The Zheng tucked her hair behind her ear, as best she was able. "Still, that illusion work was really something. Don't mean to judge, but I didn't take you for one of Spring's."

Krissa smiled, which Liwen misliked. "I'm not. Winter born and bred. But any good musician knows more than a single genre."

The Zheng laughed, full belly. "Very well!" she knelt before Liwen, red orbs peering intensely into her own. "My fair citizen of the Emerald Seas, we are but outsiders who feel the presence of injustice, compelled to intervene by the strength of our morals. But you, who have lived this experience, are the truest judge of character. So I ask this of you, my noble Pan Liwen: Is our cause just?"

Liwen's mind whirled. She looked towards Krissa for assurance, but her roommate's face was carefully neutral, not betraying a thing. She spoke, low and clear. "It is customary in the Ling to enshrine Truth within our souls, so that no matter how deep the games played in our courts go, they remain just games, and we never descend to the level of the Hui. So believe me when I say that I will not judge you, regardless of your answer. I will support you no matter what."

Lao Feng tensed. He was right to, Liwen realized. If she said no here, they'd have to fight. They were out after curfew. The only justification either of them could offer was apprehending the other. Krissa drew her bow across the violin strings, the first trill of a battle anthem Liwen knew by heart echoing through the cavern. The Zheng didn't move, but her legs tensed.

Drinking wine of grapes in luminous cups, the song ringed. Pan Liwen realized it was never even a question to her. She was only born here. Krissa was far closer to her than Cai Shuying would ever be. Loyalty wasn't given, it was earned.

"Cai Shuying's vision is lofty," Liwen began, finding her voice as her momentum built along with the song's intensity. "But she has forgotten the hearts of the common people. Such a despot is not worthy of the title Ruler."

The tension peaked, and Zheng Yaoye's eyes shined. "Well then, let the third act begin."

Krissa's song ended, the last line of the tune echoing through the cavern as they climbed out into the night air.


We rush into battle as the four-stringed lute plays.
 
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Turn 13: Arc 9-4
It was a strange realization that came to her, looking on the shifting, overlapping imagery of a seventh realm cultivator's presence. It wasn't that she didn't understand the possibility. Meizhen had shown her that. Sixiang had shown her that the definitions of man and woman could blur. Lin Hai had shown her they could be changed outright.

"You're her wife," Ling Qi said blankly, staring up into the colorless sun, caged by the embracing weave of vine and leaf and flowers, rooted to the earth. If she was honest she could never have imagined someone so powerful defining themself that way. To Ling Qi marriage was… it was a frightening thing, a loss. To be a wife was to be at another's mercy for the rest of your life, or, she supposed, to dominate someone else in the same way. Someone had to be the one in control, didn't they?

And the Duchess was greater of them, but it didn't feel that way in that instant. It was hard to tell where one ended and the other began.

"That is your view? Unexpected," Diao Linqin said, her voice was the reverberation of the wind through the flowers now. "I see you are no less grasping for another year's cultivation."

Ling Qi almost ducked her head, a denial on her lips but… The Prime Minister was right. She wasn't any less greedy. The lesson she had taken from Zeqing was that you had to take into account more than your own desires. People weren't dolls to be collected. "I will not be alone again."

Ling Qi's shadow clung to her in the light, tight and guarded, her own wind, so much smaller kicked up, carrying the glittering strands of her hair. She looked up, not unafraid, but unflinching.

"Different," said the Prime Minister. "The poison you drank deep from was isolation. You cannot give yourself to another, and so they cannot give themselves to you. Instead, 'Sister'. Can you even imagine something closer, I wonder? Even now, you hold tightly but always at a distance, a support, giving without asking. A painful sight. Think more of yourself. Empathy without limits can be a terrible thing."

"I do not see how this is so," Ling Qi said carefully. "I… want to be better. I understand that people are connected, even if you care for only a few like me, those fews connections branch out in turn. Empathy is how you understand this, isn't it?"

"That conclusion is not wrong," Diao Linqin replied, the roses swarmed close, curling around her, examining. "But it is incomplete, you risk giving too much of yourself as you are. Let me show you why you should control your empathy."

Ling Qi felt a prickling in her mind, then a rush of worry and calculation. Renxiang beside her, thoughts racing, an aching pain in her thoughts warring with relief and trepidation. For all her poise, Ling Qi's friend was a mess behind her mask of stoicism, Ling Qi almost reflexively reached for her.

She felt her other friends. Meizhen's calculation, her concern, her pride. Li Suyin's never ending anxiety, the feeling that she was an imposter, undeserving of everything, no matter her accomplishments. She felt Su Ling's dull anger at the world, and far hotter loathing of her own self. She felt Xuan Shi, surrounded by kin but no less lonely for it. Gan Guangli's exhaustion and exultation, his iron confidence and belief in Cai Renxiang. More and more, flashes of bitter resolve in Han Jian, desperate pride and yearning to impress in Xiao Fen. Further, more, flashes from their kinsfolk and friends, pride and concern and wonder and worry. The sorrow of the Sect Head, the empty hollow of an old man who had lost everything close to him, living only in their memory, the other Sect Elders defined forever by loss and vengeance.

More, more, more.It jumbled together, individuals blurring into a maddening cacophony of feeling. It bore down on her, a weight and pressure even greater than the gaze of the Duchess. It was suffocating, anxiety filled Ling Qi, the helpless knowledge that nothing she could do would ever ever reduce this weight, even if she ascended in this very instant nothing could change this awful, dragging weight. It was made even worse, knowing that even this was only the people present at the Argent Peak Sect.

It disappeared, Ling Qi heard her own ragged breathing and the prickling of tears in the corners of her eyes.

"That is the conclusion of the insight you have without temperance," Diao Linqin said, her voice even. Despite that Ling Qi felt she saw the briefest glimpse of a single tear rolling down a dark cheek. "Be more selfish, child, take as much as you give. Choose what lines of connection you trace, or be crushed by the weight of the world."

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Ling Qi got her breathing under control, and as she did she had a flash of thought. "Was this why the Prime Minister had never stepped in the Eighth realm? What would an existence which could never be separated from that feeling be like? A second thought, as she wiped her eyes, looking up at the radiance burning above, grasped so tightly. "What will happen when you are gone?"

The Prime Minister, she knew was much older than the Duchess, by some two centuries if she recalled right. Somehow the idea of that terrible colorless sun, unmoored from anything which grew from the earth, sent a chill down her spine.

The Prime Minister didn't answer her. "This conversation has been sufficient for my judgement."

"I still don't understand why," Ling Qi said through gritted teeth. Instinctively she knew she didn't need to specify. Really in front of this woman, even speaking was a formality.

"You have made yourself important. This is the result," Diao Linqin replied, disinterested. "Be honest in your dealings with the Diao."

And Like that it was over, she was back in her seat, her eyes were dry, not a single hair was out of place.Her shoulders sagged for a moment before she got a hold of herself.

"Hey you alright?" Sixiang murmured in her head."What- Oh. Oh."

It looked like Sixiang was already catching up. Cai Renxiang glanced in her direction and Ling Qi gave her a reassuring smile. As she had said earlier, now was not the time. Her liege looked at her for a long moment before giving a faint nod and turning back to the match. Ling Qi stared at her own hands, wondering at how small and unready they seemed for a moment longer, then did the same.

It was a whirlwind, quite literally. The dunes had been stirred by lashing winds, wailing walls of grinding sand slashing across the battlefield. Han Jian was a darting blur, these winds and the flaying sandstorms following in the wake of his steps and his blade. In a few places hungry black fires burned on his robe and his right arm was marked by a single splotch of frozen blood.

But Xiao Fen was by far the worst off. The sleeves of her gown were completely gone, and her pale skin was abraded by sand, her veins pulsed black from overuse of her arts. Crimson flowed, soaking her black dress from several precise wounds on her stomach and back. A slash marked her right thigh, making her steps unsteady.

Her usually blank face was locked into a fierce expression as she blasted through the most recently raised sandstorm, hands wretched in black fire striking with blinding speed. Han jian leaned back, tilting his shoulders and twisting his body to avoid each strike by centimeters.

Then he vanished in a puff of wind and sand, in his place was a huge golden tiger. The little cub had grown, standing some two and a half meters at the shoulder. His roar shattered the air, a shockwave that tore apart the dunes and sandstorms alike, it sent Xiao Fen tumbling through the air, bleeding from her ears and nose. She landed hard, despite her best efforts, tumbling and skidding some eight meters through the sand before she struggled back to her feet.

"Please yield," Han Jian said, stepping like a ghost from the whirling winds, around him unfolded a phalanx of silken soldiers, spinning themselves into existence from the threads of his sleeves and sash.

Xiao Fen let out a low angry hiss, resetting her stance, her eyes darted about, taking in her position. Han Jian stood ahead, sword down at his side, Heijin stalked the dunes, his silhouette melting away into a shadow among the yellow sands.

They clashed again, and again it was Xiao Fen left with a new wound, a precise thrust into her upper arm that left the girl's right arm dangling uselessly.
"Do you think your master is happy, watching you break yourself over this?" Han Jian said lowly. "I did not think Bai Meizhen was that kind of person."

Xiao Fen's face twisted, her eyes flicking up into the sky where the stands were, behind the false world they fought in. Han Jian took no advantage, just flicking the blood from the end of his blade. "I represent my Mistress' pride," she hissed.

"And she'd beat me like a kettle drum," Han Jian said, raising an eyebrow. "Is it really her pride we're talking about?"

Xiao Fen looked like she had bitten into a lemon, and for a moment, Ling Qi thought she was going to lunge again, into the massed artificial soldiers and han Jian, with Heijin stalking the dunes at her back. Then her shoulders slumped. "I yield."

The dunes vanished in a flash, leaving them standing once more in the arena beneath the roar of the crowd. Xiao Fen vanished in a flash of light, taken to the medical ward. Han Jian raised his sword in a salute, smiling wryly as he was announced the winner. Below the Sect head praised both combatants and announced the finals for tomorrow morning, but they were not quite done yet, for Her Grace was to speak now.

"It was a good match," said the Duchess, her warm voice reverberating in Ling Qi's ears. "But now, to business."
 
Fun update! Han Jian won and it looks like it will be a tough matchup for Gan Guangli.

Han Jian's speed and mobility I think will be a tough nut for Gan Guangli to tackle, especially with the phalanx of soldiers that Han Jian can spawn from his armor. At the very least, it won't be a slog through a trapped jungle searching for his opponent before qi runs out.

It'll be interesting to see how their spirit companions play into the upcoming battle.
 
Well, that's a pretty stark warning not to lean too far into unchecked empathy or community. I guess we'll have to lean into the greedier side of things a bit at some point to define some hard limits.
 
It wasn't that she didn't understand the possibility. Meizhen had shown her that. Sixiang had shown her that the definitions of man and woman could blur. Lin Hai had shown her they could be changed outright.
Our girl has come a long way. I'm so proud :')

"That is the conclusion of the insight you have without temperance," Diao Linqin said, her voice even. Despite that Ling Qi felt she saw the briefest glimpse of a single tear rolling down a dark cheek. "Be more selfish, child, take as much as you give. Choose what lines of connection you trace, or be crushed by the weight of the world."
...So are we adopting a new auntie or what?

"It was a good match," said the Duchess, her warm voice reverberating in Ling Qi's ears. "But now, to business."
FEAR
 
"That conclusion is not wrong," Diao Linqin replied, the roses swarmed close, curling around her, examining. "But it is incomplete, you risk giving too much of yourself as you are. Let me show you why you should control your empathy."

Ling Qi felt a prickling in her mind, then a rush of worry and calculation. Renxiang beside her, thoughts racing, an aching pain in her thoughts warring with relief and trepidation. For all her poise, Ling Qi's friend was a mess behind her mask of stoicism, Ling Qi almost reflexively reached for her.

She felt her other friends. Meizhen's calculation, her concern, her pride. Li Suyin's never ending anxiety, the feeling that she was an imposter, undeserving of everything, no matter her accomplishments. She felt Su Ling's dull anger at the world, and far hotter loathing of her own self. She felt Xuan Shi, surrounded by kin but no less lonely for it. Gan Guangli's exhaustion and exultation, his iron confidence and belief in Cai Renxiang. More and more, flashes of bitter resolve in Han Jian, desperate pride and yearning to impress in Xiao Fen. Further, more, flashes from their kinsfolk and friends, pride and concern and wonder and worry. The sorrow of the Sect Head, the empty hollow of an old man who had lost everything close to him, living only in their memory, the other Sect Elders defined forever by loss and vengeance.

More, more, more.It jumbled together, individuals blurring into a maddening cacophony of feeling. It bore down on her, a weight and pressure even greater than the gaze of the Duchess. It was suffocating, anxiety filled Ling Qi, the helpless knowledge that nothing she could do would ever ever reduce this weight, even if she ascended in this very instant nothing could change this awful, dragging weight. It was made even worse, knowing that even this was only the people present at the Argent Peak Sect.

It disappeared, Ling Qi heard her own ragged breathing and the prickling of tears in the corners of her eyes.

"That is the conclusion of the insight you have without temperance," Diao Linqin said, her voice even. Despite that Ling Qi felt she saw the briefest glimpse of a single tear rolling down a dark cheek. "Be more selfish, child, take as much as you give. Choose what lines of connection you trace, or be crushed by the weight of the world."

I kind of get the feeling this might be Yrs trying to warn some of us off the 'universal compassion' root, but honestly, all I was thinking towards the end of this was: "What would Madoka do?"

I have probably not taken the right message here, but it's one hell of a divine sempai... :p

"Different," said the Prime Minister. "The poison you drank deep from was isolation. You cannot give yourself to another, and so they cannot give themselves to you. Instead, 'Sister'. Can you even imagine something closer, I wonder? Even now, you hold tightly but always at a distance, a support, giving without asking. A painful sight. Think more of yourself. Empathy without limits can be a terrible thing."

Also, was not expecting the Prime Minister of all people to encourage Ling Qi to take care of herself lmao. This was a great moment imo.

Below the Sect head praised both combatants and announced the finals for tomorrow morning, but they were not quite done yet, for Her Grace was to speak now.

"It was a good match," said the Duchess, her warm voice reverberating in Ling Qi's ears. "But now, to business."

Ah...

"I will continue to break traditions. I will continue to change the world, even as my favor runs dry and the wrath of the people turns against me. Tomorrow even I will make my next step, no doubt angering many across the Empire. I am not sustainable. Something must replace me," Cai Shenhua said thoughtfully.

This is going to be fun!
 
Zeqing's absence still hits hard but Rose mum's presence does help, Hanyi tries but she doesn't bring enough yandere to the table. Does seem like there's a lot we can learn from her. Honestly shocked to get a lesson on self care from the previously dismissive prime minister.

Also HJ being all impressive but merciful. Good stuff and nice start to making up for his failure last year.
 
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I think that what Ling Qi is missing is an element of reciprocity.
She cares deeply for her friends and family, but she doesn't see herself as her friends's friend and her family's family.
Not in the same way that she understands the "roles" and "duties" of such positions. That's something she believes only applies to herself.
In the end, Ling Qi still sees herself as isolated, removed from the differents circles she "owns" instead of "belongs" to.

That leads to an usual mixture of inferiority and superiority complexes.
On one hand, Ling Qi feels that she has to constantly prove her "worth", that she can be beneficial and useful. And so she acts with disregard toward her own safety, always prioritazing others. Funny, considering that Ling Qi is a "selfish, greedy girl".
On the other hand, Ling Qi also thinks that is her duty because no one else can do it. Not only is her suffering/sacrifice less important that others's, she is also the only one who can take and overcome it.

The undeniable fact that everything she has, she has it thanks to her power, doesn't help.
And of course, the way she bases all relationships, and romantic/marital relationships in particular, as a contest of power between domineering and dominated is kind of the root of it all.
Not that I can blame her. First being raised in a brothel and then being thrown into the political marriages world.

To be a wife was to be at another's mercy for the rest of your life, or, she supposed, to dominate someone else in the same way. Someone had to be the one in control, didn't they?

No, Ling Qi. They don't have to.
 
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To Ling Qi marriage was… it was a frightening thing, a loss. To be a wife was to be at another's mercy for the rest of your life, or, she supposed, to dominate someone else in the same way. Someone had to be the one in control, didn't they?
Ling Qi's Freedom/Intimacy issues rearing up here. With her friendships, Ling Qi has resolved her Freedom/Safety/Isolation v. Connection/Intimacy/Debasement issues by coming down on the side that the Isolation of Total Freedom is worse than the threat of pain from having friends. Her issues here are now on the path of figuring how she can be a good friend.

However, her romantic issues are still at the level where Ling Qi thinks romantic/sexual relationships as a trade between Freedom and Connection, where she conceptualizes the relationships as the same as the prostitute/customer relationship she saw in the brothel as a child. While she has internalized her culture's ideals, she hasn't processed her childhood trauma.

(As an aside. Diao Linqin cultivates empathy perception? I don't suppose that's in response to the Hui's layers of deceptive personalities? In much the same way Cai Shenhua wields Truth to perceive and enforce reality as it is in reaction to the Hui's intrigues, Diao Linqin wields empathy to see past the lies and discern the true character of people.)
 
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I think I can see some of it, she kind of is developing partily deathseeker mentality, where she constantly throw herself infront of others to shield them and risks to much to help others. Meaning she's feeling lack of self worth.
 
Mmm, my commentary on it though @Yrsillar#2648 is that I felt it to be a little... bouncing around? not really focused or entirely coherent?

I might be misreading, but in terms of the initial Want-related argument it feels like it starts with poking at the question of "how does LQ actually connect with her friends? what does she actually want from her relationships?"
"Different," said the Prime Minister. "The poison you drank deep from was isolation. You cannot give yourself to another, and so they cannot give themselves to you. Instead, 'Sister'. Can you even imagine something closer, I wonder? Even now, you hold tightly but always at a distance, a support, giving without asking. A painful sight. Think more of yourself. Empathy without limits can be a terrible thing."

But then rather than continue that line, it dives off into the direction of what happens if you go and broaden your empathy a lot to everyone rather than focusing mostly on your friends like LQ currently does. Ling Qi's response here feels kind of like a non-sequitor. In terms of my reading of her at least, the "I want to be better" part makes sense because her drive to be that selfless support is based around a response to her historic betrayals and her resolving never to be like that again. She wants to be a good friend so that she won't be left alone, but she's still primarily concerned with her own character here. She hasn't thought deeply about what she Wants friends for beyond "security" and "not being alone makes me happy". But then I don't really follow the jump to empathy and connections.
"I do not see how this is so," Ling Qi said carefully. "I… want to be better. I understand that people are connected, even if you care for only a few like me, those fews connections branch out in turn. Empathy is how you understand this, isn't it?"

And while you can relate the two - the reason the unrestricted empathy is a problem is because LQ isn't managing her connections well - I'm not sure that's really the case that's made here. The conclusion it goes down seems to be more "don't empathise with everyone, focus on your friends and loves so you aren't overwhelmed by it all" which feels kind of like a different question?
"That is the conclusion of the insight you have without temperance," Diao Linqin said, her voice even. Despite that Ling Qi felt she saw the briefest glimpse of a single tear rolling down a dark cheek. "Be more selfish, child, take as much as you give. Choose what lines of connection you trace, or be crushed by the weight of the world."
 
Greed, but also a desire to give all you have to others, to give them what they need for their sake, even at the cost of your own.

Something about Ling Qi feels a little Robin Hood-esque. She works outrageously hard to get everything. Theft and Heist against their enemies, amass resources, never satisfied, always wanting more. But she doesn't want it for herself. She wants it so that she can give it to her Family.

Taking from the rich to give it to the poor, but substitute "the poor" with "my people" and "the rich" with "my enemies" or maybe "those who are not my people". The duty of providing for them falls on her only, and their needs are andless, and so, she has to give them as much as she can grasp and more.

Diao Linqin is asking her the very apropriate question of "Are you really not going to keep any of that to yourself?". Is it really alright to, in the name of altruism, of empathy and community, break yourself and and starve yourself from things that you need, so that others can have it and be happy?

Maybe Ling Qi feels like she will be shunned if she stops giving her 100% providing care to the needs of her friends. If serving the well-being of those who are important to her were to become her primary reason to exist, and everything else got discarded and neglected, she will come with the bitter realization that no matter how much she gives up for their sake, it will never be enough.

Linqin doesn't tell Ling Qi that just to flex, or to impart wise advice. She's probably experienced and got burned by something like this, and is sharing this as a cautionary tale. Her own trauma and scars with this kind of concept are more intense than her disapproval of Ling Qi. If they weren't, she wouldn't caution her against it. This advice of hers actually granted Ling Qi some genuine empathy with her, funnily enough.

The timing for her to give her a little coach talk is likely a little too perfect to be a coincidence. She knows some big bombs are about to be dropped, so 'testing' and 'preparing' Ling Qi for what is to come had to happen NOW. That is, mere minutes before Shenhua rocks the world with whatever she's going to do/say next.
 
I think I can see some of it, she kind of is developing partily deathseeker mentality, where she constantly throw herself infront of others to shield them and risks to much to help others. Meaning she's feeling lack of self worth.
Mmm, part of my problem with that though is that us getting stabbed I feel was driven by arrogance and a sense of invincibility as much as anything, and I feel like that's been ignored a bit in favour of pushing that argument.
 
I must say these last few updates have been extremely awesome!

Instead, 'Sister'. Can you even imagine something closer, I wonder?

Hey, it looks like we got the "go ahead" from flowermommy to commence our plan to finally adopt CRX.

A second thought, as she wiped her eyes, looking up at the radiance burning above, grasped so tightly. "What will happen when you are gone?"

Well how does 'a revolution based white without a reason to hold back' sound. Probably, LQ is going to get brought up to speed bye CRX soon, and she will realize part of what the endgame will look like.

"It was a good match," said the Duchess, her warm voice reverberating in Ling Qi's ears. "But now, to business."

Siri play Rosenkranz, maximum volume!
 
I didn't read Jiao in that empathy wave. Curious.

It disappeared, Ling Qi heard her own ragged breathing and the prickling of tears in the corners of her eyes.

"That is the conclusion of the insight you have without temperance," Diao Linqin said, her voice even. Despite that Ling Qi felt she saw the briefest glimpse of a single tear rolling down a dark cheek. "Be more selfish, child, take as much as you give. Choose what lines of connection you trace, or be crushed by the weight of the world."
this is SO GOOD OH MY GOD YES.
 
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