We have plenty of time, Laena is likely to die before the dance since I feel we've not really made it less likely her Marriage with Daemon will occur. Thus Vhaegar will be available hopefully to one of our children that failed to hatch an egg, or a half-sibling. (I'd like to try and have a good relationship with our half-siblings regardless of if one of them gets Vhaegar or not)
I'm not at all sure that Laena dying in childbirth is something we should plan on, as opposed to being a fluke. Also, if Laena doesn't die in childbirth and maybe even if she does, the Laena-Daemon marriage is actively quite dangerous to Rhaenyra's chances of succession in this timeline if there is no corresponding Laenor-Rhaenyra marriage.

The canonical Dance of the Dragons was a contest between Rhaenyra and her half-siblings, with the Velaryons having very little incentive to side with the latter. With Daemon probably hostile and no Laenor-Rhaenyra marriage, the Velaryons become an independent faction in their own right. They'd have a lot riding on Daemon's kids with Laena, especially if, as you point out, Laenor is not so likely to ever sire children of his own to be Velaryon heirs otherwise. And Daemon has big ambition, and his kids with Laena would have a fairly good shot at the Iron Throne if they play their cards right.

Back to seriousness, both the other main contenders of Harwin and Gwayne also have advantages that seem to being discounted simply because "this other group has dragons."

Laenor / Gwayne / Harwin
- Harwin / Laenor seem to be very caring parents.
- Gwayne at least in show world likely had some influence on the raising of Daeron and as such is likely not horrid as a father figure.
- All three of them are accomplished knights in their own right some (Harwin) notably significant.
- All are connected to members of the High Council
- Generally seem to be pretty reasonable individuals (Gwayne perhaps has put up more of an act given whom his father is but I think he tends towards fine even if its partially an act)

Harwin / Gwayne
- Are able to aid in the act of producing offspring
- Are not known for their preference towards men
- Have in story already interacted with us generally positively (in show Laenor had childhood connections with Rhaynera but seems not so in this quest)
- Clearly respectful of our martial prowess (I do not think Laenor would be against it)
- Both come from houses that are respected in their Kingdoms, and much like how the Lannisters of the Westerlands are very excited to have a noble of their bannerman next to the Iron Throne for their interests, the same can be said for both the Riverlands and Reach respectively

Gwayne
- Otto become an instant major supporter of us, because we are fulfilling his wish.
- Otto's least favorite people are specifically Daemon and Corlys and that is something I think most of us can agree with.
- This is predicted to be the best cover for our relationship with Alicent. (there isn't perfect proof of that)
- This gives us potentially the most connection to positively interact with Maestors whom are in general less likely to be into Dragons and Us given the way the wrote the canon history and likely aided in the removal of the Dragons.

Harwin
- Harrenhall is the best place to amass an army if we do not maintain control of King's Landing.
- Two potential Master of Whispers candidates stem from here. (Not giving Gwayne Mysaria through Otto because Otto will ruin that relationship at some point)
- Lyonel strong is just, good, and loyal.
- Is someone actually on the Romance List, thus certainly physically and emotionally interested in at least Rhaynera.
- The buffest babies.
- I expect is much less likely to die if Wed to us than if he becomes our "sperm donor" under a Laenor marriage.
Don't get me wrong, there are respectable reasons to marry Harwin and maybe Gwayne if it turns out that he'd be basically okay with being the beard for our relationship with his own sister which admittedly he very well might think is weird.

It's just that if we don't find some assurance of stabilizing things with the Velaryons, we have a problem and it's hard to foresee a way to solve it. Especially if we don't settle down and have dragonriding kids really fast who can help balance out the numbers in a future Dance of the Dragons.

Then no matter what we choose we are going to have a Dance and I'd rather have it with our half-siblings on our side against the weaker claim of Daemon / House Velaryon than with some part of them against our half-siblings, or a horrid 3+ way dance.
I really don't think we're going to be able to keep our half-siblings on-side. Either we're stuck with a three-way Dance of the Dragons, or we find some way to bind the Velaryons to us...

Or we pray that sheer happenstance neutralizes one or both factions (i.e. both Velaryon kids die before the Dance happens as in canon despite all the butterflies, or that all of Johanna's kids are daughters who can't plausibly be presented as having a better claim to the throne than we do, or that in some other way "the horse learns to sing."

And also while I like Gwayne, well... regarding Otto's use as an ally, to adapt the famous Stalin quote:
"The Hand? How many divisions does he have?"
Well, as with the pope, the answer is "actually probably more than you expect, if he wanted to call for them."

It's dragons where Hightower is lacking.

On the other hand, it's worth remembering that there are actually two major threats to our rule that are likely to arise:

Dragons, and intrigue.

Dragon superiority tends to decide conventional warfare- if we are a lone dragonrider opposed by 3-4 enemy dragonriders, the odds approach unity that we will be brought down by that factor alone. But intrigue can prevent things from ever coming to a conventional battle in the first place.

Someone like Otto Hightower is a pretty good Intrigue ally.
 
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Someone like Otto Hightower is a pretty good Intrigue ally.

It's probably worth noting at this point that Otto canonically meets his death when he utterly fails to predict Daemon's coup, is taken captive by the conspirators and is then brought in chains before Rhaenyra, where he is promptly beheaded. Contrast with Larys Clubfoot, who at least managed to sneak himself, Aegon and Aegon's children away from the city during the coup while then proceeding to undermine Rhaenyra's rule by helping to orchestrate the riots in Kingslanding.

Otto seems to actually be pretty mid in intrigue when you compare him to some of the greats of the time like Larys and Daemon. Daemon literally managed to get Otto killed via out intriguing him.
 
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You know, something that has been bothering me about the Laenor marriage - why is it so difficult to conceive children with him? It's not like he needs to actually bed his wife, the only requirement is "substance A goes into slot B", which is somewhat more challenging for a gay man but by no means unachievable. Is it a pride thing? A Westerosi sensibilities thing? Is it OOC for one or both of the people involved to think of this or agree to it?
Laenor's capable of getting erections, he has a sex life with Joffrey, so it's probable that when Rhaenyra thinks about how their attempts failed it's not because he was incapable of having sex with her at all. It's entirely possible that the guy's just shooting blanks.
 
Laenor's capable of getting erections, he has a sex life with Joffrey, so it's probable that when Rhaenyra thinks about how their attempts failed it's not because he was incapable of having sex with her at all. It's entirely possible that the guy's just shooting blanks.

IIRC Teen Spirit weighed in on the matter that his opinion of what happened is that copulation between Rhaenyra and Laenor proved to be such a miserable affair for both that they swiftly ceased to even try to have a child with each other, and that while it would be possible for us to have children with Laenor, it is necessarily going to involve us getting a ton of stress.

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It's not gonna be that challenging just absolutely miserable. Cause in the Show Laenor and Rhaenyra agreed to do their duties and then have their own fun, then they tried a couple of times, and apparently the experince was so bad for both of them that they both agreed to just pass off Harwin's kids as Laenors and never try again.
 
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IIRC Teen Spirit weighed in on the matter that his opinion of what happened is that copulation between Rhaenyra and Laenor proved to be such a miserable affair for both that they swiftly ceased to even try to have a child with each other, and that while it would be possible for us to have children with Laenor, it is necessarily going to involve us getting a ton of stress.
It should be noted that Laenor and Rhaenyra's relationship, while flawed, was functional and even friendly. So it wasn't that they couldn't stand each other's company, they functioned solidly as a married couple. It's just that actually trying was apparently miserable enough that both decided almost immediately that having bastards was easier than trying again.
 
Thinking about it a Viserys stat sheet seems like it'd be something like this:

Diplomacy: 20
Martial: 7
Stewardship: 13
Intrigue: 0
Learning: 15

Under a CK2 system Diplomacy would definitely be Viserys' best attribute. Guy won his throne by words rather then swords in the great council, and while he was alive both Greens and Blacks were not willing to go to war with each other, in large part because how much they cared for the man, given he had no personal dragon of his own to compel them with to act nicely. Even after his death Rhaenyra was unwilling to kill Alicent simply for the sake of Viserys' memory. All that together combines to make him eligible to be ones of greats, if just barely, hence a round 20. Viserys seems to be pretty uninterested in military affairs of any kind and we don't see him really putting any effort into commanding or raising an army, but he doesn't have an achievement under his belt that would make him come across as outright terrible, hence a 7. Stewardship, the realm seems to be prospering rather well under Viserys' rule, but a big part of that seems to be him delegating much of his work to Otto, hence I'm only giving him partial credit for it with a 13. Intrigue 0 is self explanatory. Guy is totally uninterested in the subject to the point of not even bothering to have a spymaster and a massive conspiracy develops under his nose for decades with him being none the wiser to it. As to learning, Viserys does seem to be pretty well educated and knowledgable, given his detailed miniature of Old Valyria, but doesn't seem to show any outright exceptional achievement in that regard, making a 15 seem appropriate.
 
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It should be noted that Laenor and Rhaenyra's relationship, while flawed, was functional and even friendly. So it wasn't that they couldn't stand each other's company, they functioned solidly as a married couple. It's just that actually trying was apparently miserable enough that both decided almost immediately that having bastards was easier than trying again.
In show canon it's could also be due to stress from the murdered lover in their own wedding. The stress probably became associated with being intimate with Rhaenyra as they wed on the not-even-wiped bloody floor where Joffrey die.
If Criston does not make Joffrey marinara of the wedding, Laenor & Rhaenyra would probably more successful.
 
Honestly, i don't care much abbout who Rhaenyra weds or romances. As long as the relathionship dosen't make her miserable

If i found the Quest earlier, i might have supported Rhea Royce as a love interest.

But just because it would have pissed off Daemon even more, and i found the idea hilarious.
 
It should be noted that Laenor and Rhaenyra's relationship, while flawed, was functional and even friendly. So it wasn't that they couldn't stand each other's company, they functioned solidly as a married couple. It's just that actually trying was apparently miserable enough that both decided almost immediately that having bastards was easier than trying again.
In show canon it's could also be due to stress from the murdered lover in their own wedding. The stress probably became associated with being intimate with Rhaenyra as they wed on the not-even-wiped bloody floor where Joffrey die.
If Criston does not make Joffrey marinara of the wedding, Laenor & Rhaenyra would probably more successful.
That's a valid point. Butterfly that and maybe it wouldn't be quite so bad... though still, ah, awkward. With Laenor probably not enjoying himself at all.
 
Daemon: I am the rightful heir, not you!
Rhaenyra: Bitch please. I'm the better ruler, the better diplomat, the better fighter, the better dragon rider....
Rhea: ...And the better lover too prick!

I wonder, how do we compare to Daemon as a dragonrider at this point. We've been practicing a lot, but in that regards he has both age and more live combat experience on us due to taking part in the war on the Stepstones.
 
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