I would like to see the winterfell crypts if that's an option. It might not be much but they are always so mysterious.

Oh and what are the chances that the white walkers show up earlier?
 
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Oh and what are the chances that the white walkers show up earlier?
No, that's not really something I want to cover in this quest. The Others are something that require a fair amount of focus and I don't want a forced end boss on this quest. And like sure, Aegon's Prophecy has some bearing on Rhaenyra and Viserys but it is not a super important part of this story.


I'm just waiting for the letter from dad that goes "Dear Daughter you can't keep styling on these hoes like this. I know it's fun for you but I actually have to deal with them afterwards and it's not helping my stomach problems."
Had Rhaenyra won in a mundane fashion or just had a mediocre prefomance Viserys probably would have been fustration at her playing around or something to that effect. But Rhaenyra basically absolutely stomping is gonna cause some interesting effects.
 
Had Rhaenyra won in a mundane fashion or just had a mediocre prefomance Viserys probably would have been fustration at her playing around or something to that effect. But Rhaenyra basically absolutely stomping is gonna cause some interesting effects.
The price of being a girlboss is suffering from success.

Alas, if only Rhaenyra wasn't so naturally beautiful and talented.
 
Though for now we're probably outracing the royal reactions and will only learn of them once coming back down from the northern North again. So... at the Twins, it seems.
 
Had Rhaenyra won in a mundane fashion or just had a mediocre prefomance Viserys probably would have been fustration at her playing around or something to that effect. But Rhaenyra basically absolutely stomping is gonna cause some interesting effects.

The worst of this (from Viserys's perspective) is that his knee-jerk reaction would be to deny Rhaenyra knighthood by moving the goalposts, but there's nowhere to move the goalposts TO. There's none of the typical excuses of "you only won through points" or "you only faced no-name opponents." She unseated 3 heirs to noble houses and freaking Criston Cole.

Viserys may have a genuine fear that if he DOESN'T knight Rhaenyra for this, then the only way she would see to further prove herself is to actively seek combat.
 
Alas, if only Rhaenyra wasn't so naturally beautiful and talented.
We can always have our ghost haunt our descendents for trying to steal our vibes (especially you Rhaegar)...
Had Rhaenyra won in a mundane fashion or just had a mediocre prefomance Viserys probably would have been fustration at her playing around or something to that effect. But Rhaenyra basically absolutely stomping is gonna cause some interesting effects.
Well, for our conversations with dad I am pretty sure Viserys is feels quite a bit of frustation, but he is also proud of how strong Rhaenyra is... He may disagree with our decisions, but we are proving that we are excellent in what we have chosen to focus...

I am also very interested in Daemon's reaction, we are proving to more of a dragon than him but without being a piece of shit...
I would like to see the winterfell crypts if that's an option. It might not be much but they are always so mysterious.
It would be interesting but I would rather focus on the living Starks, or try to learn music so that we can properly serenade Alicent when we meet a the Twins...
The worst of this (from Viserys's perspective) is that his knee-jerk reaction would be to deny Rhaenyra knighthood by moving the goalposts, but there's nowhere to move the goalposts TO. There's none of the typical excuses of "you only won through points" or "you only faced no-name opponents." She unseated 3 heirs to noble houses and freaking Criston Cole.

Viserys may have a genuine fear that if he DOESN'T knight Rhaenyra for this, then the only way she would see to further prove herself is to actively seek combat.
Yeah, I can see him thinking "Better anoint her as a knight ASAP if I don't want to see Rhaenyra fighting in the Stepstones"
 
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I am also very interested in Daemon's reaction, we are proving to more of a dragon than him but without being a piece of shit...
Daemon's categorization of Rhaenyra is simple
She's a threat

My reading on Daemon is that, unlike someone like Criston Cole, he is willing to take her seriously
That's the problem, that he acknowledges she's a legitimate rival, though he might play on the whole "pretending at being a man" angle to undercut her and get under her skin

So him hearing about this probably doesn't change anything
He was already wary of her
And Rhaenyra and his positions were solidly set against each other the second he learned about her hand in dissolving his marriage with Rhea

If people start actively favorably comparing Rhaenyra to Daemon that would probably prick his pride and drive him to try to publicly prove himself Rhaenyra's better somehow
But I don't think anyone is directly doing that as of yet, and I don't think Daemon would make that comparison on his own unprompted
 
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The worst of this (from Viserys's perspective) is that his knee-jerk reaction would be to deny Rhaenyra knighthood by moving the goalposts, but there's nowhere to move the goalposts TO. There's none of the typical excuses of "you only won through points" or "you only faced no-name opponents." She unseated 3 heirs to noble houses and freaking Criston Cole.

Yup, at that point the only thing he could say is no anointment til she actually won at live combat but then again she also won a Trial by Combat where her life was on the line. And even then, he'd probably be afraid she'd just go "bet" and fly off to the Stepstones (we prolly won't, but he doesn't know that)

Honestly that'd be a bit ridiculous lmao like by those standards 90% of Westeros knights don't deserve the knighthood, but we'll see.

She needs that harp grindset, eventually, her voice will bring people to tears. I will see that happen, it will happen.

We need to get a harp and then make people cry, also somehow learn Jenny of Oldstones like 200 years in advance so we can be sad and emo like Rhaegar, that somehow attracted bitches like nothing else. We can't lose at the rizz grindset to Rhaegar!

Daemon's categorization of Rhaenyra is simple
She's a threat

Honestly, going by show-canon, is Daemon even a misogynist? Like I imagine him being kinda like Cole in regards to that but at the same time it could just be him being a "Valyrian supremacy" asshole so it doesn't apply to Rhaenyra.

Either way, it could be interesting/dangerous to have someone so clearly positioned to usurp us disregard the fact she's a girl at all and treat Rhaenyra like the worthy opponent she is; but I could see his hubris getting in the way of that lol

Mans has a serious, serious case of hubris.

Anyways disregard all of that and just imagine the glorious time we may be able to style on Daemon using Blackfyre so he can stop feeling like a special snowflake about Dark Sister.
 
Honestly, going by show-canon, is Daemon even a misogynist? Like I imagine him being kinda like Cole in regards to that but at the same time it could just be him being a "Valyrian supremacy" asshole so it doesn't apply to Rhaenyra.
He seems to strongly dislike threats to his masculinity considering his treatment of Rhea but admittedly that maybe more an ego thing than a gender one
 
Honestly, going by show-canon, is Daemon even a misogynist? Like I imagine him being kinda like Cole in regards to that but at the same time it could just be him being a "Valyrian supremacy" asshole so it doesn't apply to Rhaenyra.

If anything, I would agree and say Daemon is a Valyrian supremacist more than a misogynist, he seems to preserve his family, even if how he does it is off, more than anything. I would also contend that in this timeline, he most likely sees her as a threat because she's not how most ladies of their house are. A lot of them were diplomatic, but Visenya was hard as nails and every bit, even better, the warrior than Aegon the Conqueror was I believe.

She was even the reason the kingsguard was founded in the first place.

So in it, Daemon may see that as more of a slight and unwelcome thing because a Visenya Reborn represents things that even he, in his chaotic wisdom, can't predict. So I would honestly say that's why he was wary, I believe that was their starting relationship, with Rhaenyra before. I would say deep down, Daemon in this timeline is insecure that someone who echoes Visenya might overshadow him in countless ways.

I would say that in some way I believe Rhaenyra played a small percentage in Daemon's war of the stepstones this time, possibly.
 
*Rhaenyra learns bagpipes at Winterfell*
Honestly I thought that we would learn some Northern songs like this one...


View: https://youtu.be/w4cqcinpbvw?si=BtBFV3EuNb2DuPKY

But the bagpipes thingy is quite interesting, to be able to channel our inner angry Scotsman while we fly with Syrax during the Dance...

And even then, he'd probably be afraid she'd just go "bet" and fly off to the Stepstones (we prolly won't, but he doesn't know that)
Well, regarding the Stepstones depending on how things go on Driftmark we may want to intervene there...
 
Honestly, going by show-canon, is Daemon even a misogynist? Like I imagine him being kinda like Cole in regards to that but at the same time it could just be him being a "Valyrian supremacy" asshole so it doesn't apply to Rhaenyra.

Either way, it could be interesting/dangerous to have someone so clearly positioned to usurp us disregard the fact she's a girl at all and treat Rhaenyra like the worthy opponent she is; but I could see his hubris getting in the way of that lol

Mans has a serious, serious case of hubris.

Anyways disregard all of that and just imagine the glorious time we may be able to style on Daemon using Blackfyre so he can stop feeling like a special snowflake about Dark Sister.
Mmm,

I doubt that Daemon would ever willingly acknowledge Rhaenyra as an equal
But that has less to do with her being a girl and more with him being Daemon
He wouldn't be willing to acknowledge Rhaenyra as an equal if she were a boy either

He's also not completely free of gender bias either, and probably has views that would register as misogynistic to us
These are things you just sort of pick up from the society you're raised in

But Rhaenyra being a girl matters less than her being a threat to his position and ego, and he's more willing to take that threat seriously rather than just dismiss her out of hand

If she'd been born a boy, little would have changed
Besides him probably becoming antagonistic earlier than he did here
Part of the reason it took a while as Rhaenyra grew up is because he didn't see her as a threat right away, since she was just Viserys' daughter and not a son
 
I man you probably wouldvote not, Im all for showing Daemon up in the Stepstones
What makes you think we'd be allowed to show Daemon up if we went, or indeed to do anything at all? We'd have one dragon against several, lots of company from ambitious and unscrupulous men who would benefit from our suffering a tragic accident, and no friends to cross-check any tales the former might tell about us.
 
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He seems to strongly dislike threats to his masculinity considering his treatment of Rhea but admittedly that maybe more an ego thing than a gender one

I always thought that was just him hating Rhea and hating everything related to her considering all the sheep-fucking he alluded to ocurring in her lands lmao like he just can't help but despise her due to the emasculating feel of being married off like a maiden by his asshole grandparents.

Then again, it could be either.

Show wise Rhaenyra thought Daemon resented her because she had more of her father's love as as a daughter than Daemon had as a brother

True, Daemon (at least show, can't remember if it was the same in the book) had a weird relationship where he somehow both was starved of Viserys approval whilst simultaneously being too prideful to ever confess to it and overcorrect by acting the whole other way around. Add to that being, like, pathologically unable to deal with his emotions in any rational manner that isn't anger or spite lol

What makes you think we'd be allowed to show Daemon up if we went, or indeed to do anything at all? We'd have one dragon against several, lots of company from ambitious and unscrupulous men who would benefit from our suffering a tragic accident, and no friends to cross-check any tales the former might tell about us.

True, that's why I said "we probably won't (anyways)" since it'd be pretty cool but... Everyone there would want to kill us or otherwise compromise our reputation...

I doubt that Daemon would ever willingly acknowledge Rhaenyra as an equal
But that has less to do with her being a girl and more with him being Daemon
He wouldn't be willing to acknowledge Rhaenyra as an equal if she were a boy either

Yeah, it'd probably be a subconscious if he ever recognizes that she's a worthy threat, since he's otherwise too steeped into his own hubris and hype to call a girl (his niece) 16 years younger than him his equal (but would have no issues courting her to marry, which just goes to show how he rolls lol)
 
I think that there are two reasons that Daemon feels more anymosity to this Rhaenyra than canon. First is that we are pulling his "Rogue Royal Who's Too Cool For Rules" schtick without making everyone who interacts with us hate our guts. The more serious one is that this Rhaenyra is a credible threat to him attaining the Throne that he cannot deal with without resorting to war or murder, both of which are risky options that would make Viserys hate him forever. With Canon Rhaenyra he pulled the seduction card successfully, and a Scholar Rhaenyra would have a harder time gathering support from the nobles, apart from the fact that Daemon would never feel threatened by a nerd who reads books.

However, as the meme would say, Daemon can't mansplane, manipulate or manwhore his way past this Rhaenyra, and physical coercion or intimidation don't hold weight with someone who's going to answer to a threat (both personally and to her claim) by pulling a sword and screaming "Bring it!". Sure, Rhaenyra is not a popular candidate, but neither is Daemon and Rhaenyra is better at not insulting everyone she talks to.

Also, Daemon is a narcissist who feels that all men should stand in awe of his mere presence and all women should throw herself at his feet for a chance to "Ride the Dragon", so a Rhaenyra that doesn't cave up to him and actively acts against his wants is bound to be disliked by him.
 
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I think that there are two reasons that Daemon feels more anymosity to this Rhaenyra than canon. First is that we are pulling his "Rogue Royal Who's Too Cool For Rules" schtick without making everyone who interacts with us hate our guts. The more serious one is that this Rhaenyra is a credible threat to him attaining the Throne that he cannot deal with without resorting to war or murder, both of which are risky options that would make Viserys hate him forever. With Canon Rhaenyra he pulled the seduction card successfully, and a Scholar Rhaenyra would have a harder time gathering support from the nobles, apart from the fact that Daemon would never feel threatened by a nerd who reads books.
A big reason Daemon and Rhaenyra don't get along is once Rhaenyra got good at swordplay and Daemon made some less than kind remarks, Rhaenyra realized a lot sooner than she did in canon what kind of man he was. Which, to put it bluntly, completely derailed Daemon's efforts to groom her. And that right there radically changes things between them because Daemon knows he can't pull the shit he did in canon. Which makes this Rhaenyra much more of an obstacle to him then she ever was in canon.


Also, Daemon is a narcissist who feels that all men should stand in awe of his mere presence and all women should throw herself at his feet for a chance to "Ride the Dragon", so a Rhaenyra that doesn't cave up to him and actively acts against his wants is bound to be disliked by him.
Now to be fair, he wants both from both to varying degrees.
 
I wonder if he would ever be calm enough for us to ask him why he wants the damn throne in the first place.

He's basically free. if the Stepstones business goes the way of canon he even gets his own kingdom. Yes he'd have to answer to the throne but we've shown we're willing to look towards his happiness with the marriage dissolution.

As far as familiar relationships go our father still loves him despite Otto doing his damndest and while we don't like him we're not about to just fuck him over out of hand either.

Basically what I'm asking is what does the throne give him that a fucking Dragon doesn't? And before he says something like "loyalty of the vassals or somesuch" I'd like to point out the only way he can currently get the throne is by kinslaying and they're not really keen on that in these parts.

Is it honestly settling when you have more money than sense, a dragon, and the ability to find a wife that doesn't hate you (or a boytoy I'm not judging)?
 
Basically what I'm asking is what does the throne give him that a fucking Dragon doesn't?

Acknowledgement.

It seems to me that is what Daemon craves most. That is a big reason why he acts out so much. He wants people's attention, he wants people to respect/fear/whatever him - not necessarily in a good way, not necessarily as a hero with good reputation, but ultimately he wants them to be forced to acknowledge him. And while a dragon and a petty kingdom really help with that - the apex of that is in fact being the King.
 
Acknowledgement.

It seems to me that is what Daemon craves most. That is a big reason why he acts out so much. He wants people's attention, he wants people to respect/fear/whatever him - not necessarily in a good way, not necessarily as a hero with good reputation, but ultimately he wants them to be forced to acknowledge him. And while a dragon and a petty kingdom really help with that - the apex of that is in fact being the King.
If that's the case then War is probably gonna happen no matter what we do because we're sure as hell aren't going to give up the Throne and the only way he gets it is if we and all our hypothetical children are dead and dusted.

Cause if he wants Acknowledgement that badly he's not gonna settle for regent if he manages to get us to have an "accident."

A shame I suppose, but he always was kind of a dick so I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.
 
Cause if he wants Acknowledgement that badly he's not gonna settle for regent if he manages to get us to have an "accident."
I mean, he "settled" for Prince Consort in canon, if again one that acted out very much. There is a line he doesn't cross, and that has mostly to do with Viserys: He never attacks Viserys directly, and he frequently reconciles with him (only to blow it up again a week later). It is his acknowledgement in particular he wants most, after all. He probably also won't attack us directly as long as Viserys still lives. How much, ah, "emotional protection" that is after Viserys' death is another question, of course.

But wdym regency? There won't be a regency, period, since Rhaenyra is of age already (at 16), and it's not like there is a regency for reigning ladies, or historically for reigning queens, either. A regency is just not something that is remotely in the cards.
 
But wdym regency? There won't be a regency, period, since Rhaenyra is of age already (at 16), and it's not like there is a regency for reigning ladies, or historically for reigning queens, either. A regency is just not something that is remotely in the cards.
Apologies for being unclear, I meant for the hypothetical kids we're probably going to have.

If we do pump one out and that "emotional protection" as you put it ever wanes then if we kick the bucket due to his shenanigans he'd be regent over our heir.

Of course that'd be because he has a goddamn Dragon but that's politics for you.
 
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