Not sure if a Dragonstone Trip is the move quite yet, since us being away does stress Viserys, and I wouldn't want to leave Kingslanding until we resolved our marriage to Qoren, Viserys shoddy treatments from Mellos, and fashioning some sort of deal or alliance with Otto.
The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
UrbanAvena
Stair climber and vertical movement enthusiast
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- In the stairwell and elevator shaft.
I share the concern but Dragonstone trip will only be one turn and we can invite Qoren there if he is available. And both Mellos treatment and Otto negotiation is something that I consider medium term concern that need preparation over multiple turns.
Somic
It's meow or never
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Actually, y'know what, screw it. Social butterfly turn!
- Otto awkward talks
- hang out with Obara (if still here)
- hang out with Laena (if still here)
- sneak out into the city
- Harrenhal? (probably a Conversation if we're specifically seeking out Alys)
- prepare for dragonstone
Optional: hang out with Qoren instead of Obara if he is here
Optional: do more sparring with Obara instead of just hanging out (it's not bullying I swear)
Super optional: if Qoren is not, in fact, here, badger him for permission to hang out with him in Sunspear
- Otto awkward talks
- hang out with Obara (if still here)
- hang out with Laena (if still here)
- sneak out into the city
- Harrenhal? (probably a Conversation if we're specifically seeking out Alys)
- prepare for dragonstone
Optional: hang out with Qoren instead of Obara if he is here
Optional: do more sparring with Obara instead of just hanging out (it's not bullying I swear)
Super optional: if Qoren is not, in fact, here, badger him for permission to hang out with him in Sunspear
We would only be away for a turn! After a whole T16 to tie up some loose ends in KL, no less. The marriage is hopefully going to be solved either in this turn's interludes or over this and the next turn (would it depend on how agreeable we are, I wonder?), the treatment might actually not get resolved for some time unless we get it done on T16, and, well, I can't imagine the thread not including an Otto conversation on T16, so we'll figure something out.
CharlieKing
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i do think deciding what to do with the tourney winnings should be a T16 action, before Rhaenyra leaves for the Dragonstone-cation on T17, as i'd like to have a gift ready for Alicent (matching jewelry 🥺) by then.
[X] Ask about Life on Driftmark
[X] Talk About Dragons
[X] Ask about Life on Driftmark
[X] Talk About Dragons
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Oh one turn? Didn't realize that, okay i'm on board.
UrbanAvena
Stair climber and vertical movement enthusiast
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Please before anyone wanted to awkwardly discuss the situationship to Alicent father at least talk with Gwayne & Alicent first for more strategizing like said in the blurb of the action.
Once again we don't know what we can give and we don't know what Otto want. Otto is a guy that will sacrifice realm well-being before conceding to his rival. On Stepstone matter, Otto block intervention while pirate prey on Westerosi shipping just because it currently harms Velaryon shipping too.
Directly meeting Otto without plan and preparation can cost us dearly and put us in position of weakness to one of the most dangerous player of the game. Previously we have never faced a player like Otto. Corlys is his closest caliber but he is brash and clear in his want and position. Even then he clearly outplayed us when we directly confront him and our deal failed miserably.
If political intrigue is not interesting please think about doing the preparation as wooing the in-law. Otto clearly is not a person to be impressed by our Romantic Knight conduct. He is impressed by shrewd dealing and political power. If we go empty handed of influence and information he will kick us out like a useless lowlife for daring to court his daughter. Please scout, plan, and prepare first.
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Honestly I haven't even thought about talking to Lord Strong next turn when we travel to Harrenhal until you mentioned it... BUT the more I thought about it the best it fits for 3 reasons.
- We want to convince Melos and/our father to go for Orwyle's new treatment, and Lord Strong is pretty much the most reliable and trustworthy member of the Small Council, so getting him on our side would help us significantly.
- We are trying to poach Alys Rivers, a valuable servant of his (and possibly his bastard daughter) into our service, so giving him a heads up seems something we should do for at least politeness sake...
- Talking with him fulfills his mentorship obligation for 3 turns which leaves us with more time to interact with the Dornish delegation, the Velaryons, or try to do more side quests...
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Speaking of Dragons(tone) and Qoren… how hard would it be to get to the point where he's comfortable with/willing to fly with us on Syrax?
UrbanAvena
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If about willing, he is probably willing to fly with us to respect our rank and position. But for comfortable? I think it will be after we got more personally close.
A lot of people want to mainly for Alys Rivers
I guess she would be a good person to know if you're looking to surreptitiously ensure that Mellos passes peacefully in his sleep, a la Grover Tully, but considering what her influence did to Daemon on the show and to Rhaenyra earlier in this very quest, it seems like it would only make things worse.
Haven't seen season 2 past the first few episodes tbh, So I wouldn't know, and even then she still seems like a mysterious figure.
Also, I said a lot of people want to go to Harrenhall for her, I didn't say I was one of them, I agree with you actually, I think the magic and visions should be left alone and we should probably try to resolve sibling issues the old fashioned way.
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[X] Talk About Dragons
[X] Ask if there's been any talk of Marriage Recently and how she feels about it?
Supplementing my vote with an approval-vote, to see if it helps my paranoia over Laena getting thrown at Daemon.
EDIT: it did not. Oh well.
[X] Ask if there's been any talk of Marriage Recently and how she feels about it?
Supplementing my vote with an approval-vote, to see if it helps my paranoia over Laena getting thrown at Daemon.
EDIT: it did not. Oh well.
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Let us not forget our economic ally in Isembard Arryn. It is important to keep up to date on our interests and we, understandably, have left him waiting. I want to know if there have been any snags, or any major developments that would be important to be aware of.
I do like the idea of Laena having a support group out side of her family in Driftmark. She was rather isolated growing up but especially after her marriage to Deamon. So having her own circle of allies and friends will definitely help in all sorts of ways.
I don't think Rhaenyra is aware of how Aemma died because I doubt she'd still have such a warm relationship with Vizzy if she did. Also Mello would have mysteriously fall down a very long flight of stairs.
Ironically the "women path to freedom" is my attempt at organically bringing the Vale trio up. Guess I am not such great conversationalist.
The intention is more about friend introducing friend. How about this one then? Thank you.
[X] Write-in (Subject to QM Approval) Talk about friends and adventure Rhaenyra and Laena each made while separated by the Progress and lament Laena missing presence on the Progress.
I think talking about progress is something reuniting Rhaenyra and Laena may find great interest in. Another intention is to even invite her to join us on the progress resumption.
Approval
[X] Ask Laena about any friends she made on Driftmark
[X] About her bond with Vhagar and any Changes this bond brought
[x] Ask about Life on Driftmark
May I interest you in [] [Action] Sneak out and Explore the City to may be meet Mysaria one of the best shadowy vizier?
or [] [Action] Fly to Harrenhal to pick up Alys Rivers our acquaintance woodswitch? Our own shady vizier will probably also help us on Otto bargain.<- (Shady Vizier with their Shady Shades)
I wouldn't touch Alys Rivers with a 10 foot pole that woman is insane. At least Mysaria's goal are concrete and can give you solid information. With Alys your like to sell your soul and become her puppet for life no thank you.
Going to Otto and negotiating is going to be tricky. Still I would say eventually giving Alicent her own land and jewelry funds separate from her house or Otto would be a good long term plan. Hell you can even frame it Otto that it's something for house Hightower without mentioning it's directly under Alicents name and control.
Talking about dragon is a good way to segway into heavier tops later. It be good to build a solid connection beyond we're related to each other. That's especially true if Corley's is still butt hurt about the failed marriage attempt. Having a good relationship with Laena can help smooth over feathers over time at least for Rhaenys.
I'm curious if Rhaenyra will have the bomb dropped on her as to how and why Aemma died. That will be a fireworks factory going off levels of drama. Until then my bet would be try to talk to Joanna to get the ball moving since she has a vested interest in keeping the king alive. Though a part of me would find it funny if Vizzy died with only daughters to his name.
Talking about dragon is a good way to segway into heavier tops later. It be good to build a solid connection beyond we're related to each other. That's especially true if Corley's is still butt hurt about the failed marriage attempt. Having a good relationship with Laena can help smooth over feathers over time at least for Rhaenys.
I'm curious if Rhaenyra will have the bomb dropped on her as to how and why Aemma died. That will be a fireworks factory going off levels of drama. Until then my bet would be try to talk to Joanna to get the ball moving since she has a vested interest in keeping the king alive. Though a part of me would find it funny if Vizzy died with only daughters to his name.
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Low votes but I still think it's safe to call it
Marriage Negotiations Part I
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Marriage Negotiations Part I
You tried not to think of your conversation with the Maester as your father summoned you into his chambers. He looked somewhat worn out, though distinctly in good spirits. The negotations were over, or rather, the first phase of negotiations was over. Your father, Otto Hightower, and Prince Qoren spent a number of meetings debating the terms of the marriage agreement.
For starters, there was quite a bit of talk over if Dorne would join the realm at all. Apparently Qoren's vassals had urged instead for basically an eternal alliance of brotherhood, meaning the princedom pledging to be an eternal ally of the Iron Throne and vice versa. Your father and Otto refused to even consider that and eventually convinced Qoren, or rather his lords, to accept that the marriage had to come with Dorne pledging feality to the Iron Throne. The king and the prince were able to come to an agreement on a number of matters, largely those on your list of demands, but things were still unresolved in a fair few more. Apparently the Stepstones were proving quite a source of debate between the two.
With Qoren and your father agreeing to a brief one day pause in negotiations, Viserys saw fit to bring what had been agreed upon already to your attention, figuring if you considered it unworkable then it would be best to end things mid-negotiation rather than to wait until the end.
As you sat on your table, your father handed you a piece of parchment laying out the current terms. Terms that would define you marriage and possibly the rest of your life as well. It read as thus.
Where upon King Viserys Targaryen, first of his name, and Prince Qoren Nymerios Martell have agreed to a union of their two families, the Prince Qoren is to take King Viserys eldest daughter and heir, Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen, to be his bride under the following terms.
- Upon the signing of the marriage agreement by all parties, the Princedom of Dorne and the Iron Throne are to enter into a binding alliance, pledging to come to each other defense and provide aid as needed. This alliance is to last until Rhaenyra Targaryen is crowned as ruling Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, whereupon Prince Qoren or his successor will pledge eternal feality to the Iron Throne.
- The wedding between Rhaenyra Targaryen and Prince Qoren is to be held in King's Landing, ideally at the start of spring, but no more than than eighteen months after the agreement is signed.
- Prince Qoren requests that his intended bride visits Sunspear at least once before the wedding.
- Two handmaidens, twins of house Qorgyle, will be provided to Rhaenyra to assist with the wedding preperations.
- The Bedding Ceremony will be absent from the wedding.
- Prince Qoren and his succesors will retain the title of Prince or Princess of Dorne, but will acknowledge their feality to the Iron Throne.
- For six years after Rhaenyra's coronation, Dorne's taxes to the Iron Throne will be reduced. For the first three years, Dorne will pay the third part of the taxes and twice that for the following three years. After that period, taxes rates will be in line with the rest of the realm.
- Prince Qoren or a vassal of his choosing is to be given a seat on the Small Council upon Rhaenyra's coronation.
- Dornish Laws will take precedent over laws of the Iron Throne within Dorne unless a change is agreed to by both the ruling prince or princess and the reigning monarch.
- Hence forward, succession of the Iron Throne will fall to to the eldest legitmate child of the ruling king or queen. If they have no children of legitmate birth, succession will instead fall to their eldest legitmate sibling.
- Children born of the union of Rhaenyra Targaryen and Qoren Martell will carry the Targaryen family name of their mother. The eldest surviving child will inherit the Iron Throne while the second eldest will inherit the Princedom of Dorne and Sunspear, and take the name Nymerios Martell upon the death of their father.
- No Child born of Rhaenyra Targaryen and Prince Qoren will be denied their right to a dragon egg or to attempt to claim dragon for themselves.
- The heir to Dorne will be raised in Sunspear from the age of five, health premitting. Additionally, the Prince Requests that if a son is born after the two heirs, that they squire with a dornish vassal when they reach an appropriate age. Rhaenyra will have control of over the raising of her heir and all children not mentioned previously.
- It is asked that Rhaenyra not name any of her children after Aegon the Conqueror or his wives, Visenya and Rhaenys, so as to avoid any awkwardness with the people of Dorne.
You looked over the current terms. The naming thing annoyed you a fair bit. Visenya was a perfectly fine name for a princess. Besides that, most of it sounded decent at least. You were thrilled to see the children would keep your name for starters. Deals along that line were apparently somewhat common practice in Dorne when an heir to a vassal house ended up married to the heir to house Martell. You were annoyed that he wanted a heavy hand in upbringing of two of your possible children though. Apparently Qoren thought having your children act as wards for a few of his more skeptical vassals would soothe some of the tensions this marriage would cause. Eventually, your father convinced him to narrow it down to just one.
The terms of Dorne joining the fold left you conflicted. That it wouldn't actually happen until you joined was a mixed blessing. On the one hand, it meant that for a long while to come the only thing this match really brought you was an alliance with a hated enemy. In the other hand, it did meant that your reign would begin with an incredible victory. You didn't think the tax thing was a particularly big deal since it was only temporary and you could see the wisdom of Qoren's argument that it would help the Dornish to adjust to the extra taxes.
The law thing did concern you somewhat more. Jaehaerys had codified the laws of the Seven Kingdoms with only very limited expections allowed for some realms to have their own laws on specific matters. Dorne being the exception would anger some lords. Recent conversations had very much given you distinct apathy towards the feelings of the lords of the realm, but you weren't blind to their grumbling.
Then there was the wedding. Clearly Qoren was hoping for a short winter. Eighteen months wasn't a short engagement, but it was mayhaps not as long as you desired.
With the negotiations taking a short respite, you knew this was a good chance to talk to Qoren and convince him to change some of the terms, or perhaps discuss matters yet unsettled with him such as the Stepstones. Or you could just accept the terms as they were of course. It would probably improve your father and Qoren's moods. Or reject them entirely.
How Do You React To the Current Terms?
[] Accept them as is
[] Reject Them (This Will Have Ramifications)
[] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
-[] Write-in Which Term(s) you wish to discuss
--[] (Optional) Write-in an Arguement (This will effect Dice Rolls)
6 Hour Moratorium
QM's Note: The Conversation with Laena will be in the update after this since I presume you will probably want to talk to Qoren. If not Well I'll just make it an interlude no big deal. Wanted the focus to be on the opening round of the marriage negotiations considering how important it is. Handling this is a bit differently because this is such a big deal I do not want changing terms to be something simple and easy. Couldn't find an image I liked for this update.
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UrbanAvena
Stair climber and vertical movement enthusiast
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- In the stairwell and elevator shaft.
Can we have moratorium? It is a complicated and important vote. Need discussion first before a vote tendency is formed. Thank you.
Edit* Vote has opened.
Please vote for any option that contain Zimmerwald Fealty timing term or A_Somebody Wedding timing term. Both bring brilliant point about the strategic necessity of the timing of events.
Other term that has been proposed is Somic Stepstone negotiations and Fallendawn Sunspear dragonpit. Somic focused on the slowed Stepstone negotiation while Fallendawn investigate possibility of dragonpit in Sunspear.
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prometheus110
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Honestly? I think the terms are fine. We could argue over some things, but in the grand scheme I think it'll work well enough.