Currently It is a dangerous proposition to sent a Kid to Seven Kingdom the alliance would still be young. It is a glorified hostage. Especially as our son is to be sent to skeptical vassal. That is glorified hostage.
It's a mixed bag. Squiring to a future queen is a very prestigious position that gets you some influence at court. And the Dornish are less hung up on Rhaenyra's gender.
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In general it is more egalitarian though still feudal.
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If it's signed T15, and we have until... T21? Or earlier if the Winter is short. I think it's an alright amount of time even with the commitments and stuff, a little squeezy but we can fit enough interactions in there to at least become somewhat familiar with Qoren. Hopefully.
Hell yeah, glad we can! The actual question is, visits on a dragon or the long way by ship? I feel like we need to clarify this - the topic of dragonback commute in general and as applied to this in particular.
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Hm. Why? Whose request was this?
I thought I was joking when I quoted Lyonel about this! But hey, cool.
Yesssss!!! Bringing the succession change not only to our own heirs, but to the Iron Throne henceforward! Super happy about this. Also neat how it seems to be bringing some Dornish customs (even though it's actually just our own wish).
How did he know that Visenya was on her list?
Intolerable. Asking us to visit the capitol of Sand Land. I knew this pairing was a bad idea.
Yeah we need to discuss this with him and express our desire that is a daughter after the third is born, she may be named Visenya. In return, Rhaenyra will take a dornish noble youth as her squire and that dornishmans house will be allowed to ward her fourth child. Argument wise, convince him that it has been more than a century, that the name can be redeemed, that some day the dornish will have to think of Rhaenys and Visenya in more charitable turns.
I hate sand. It's rough, and coarse, and irritating, and it gets everywhere. Do Targaryens get sunburn, I wonder?
Do we? Jokes aside, we aren't married to that name, and there are so many other beautiful names to choose from. We don't really need to insist on lowkey insulting the Dornish (which naming our child after someone who burned most of their kingdom would be).
I always side eye Rhaegar that name his Half-Dornish children Rhaenys. Though for Aegon there was excuse of already existing Aegon V that is half-Dayne and ally of Dorne.
Making Iron Island more peaceful and prosperous and stamping out the old way can be a worthwhile long term concern especially as Red Dalton reign will coincide with ours.
Rhaegar at least had the excuse of living in a time where nobody still alive remembers the time when Dorne was separate from the Realm. We're gonna be managing a far more fraught relationship.
Why would you want to remove this if it is something we would like to do anyway? That is just giving away free leverage.
I think that is too complicated for the children. In history it is more taking on a new name not like Code-Switching that change depending on public circumstance. It is more probable to nick name our child Visenya in private life.
I propose that in the spirit for the treaty look more favorable to us rather than the reality for image purpose to our grumbling vassal.
Well, considering how weird the seasons work in Westeros, it is pretty reasonable to put a time limit here (imagine if we had a winter of more than 3 years), but since the average for a full season seems to be around 2 years, a 24 month time limit seems more reasonable...
The vassals are not privy to the negotiation meetings, they only see the final terms and actions we take. Removing "come visit me at Sunspear" just to then visit him at Sunspear would look silly to Viserys and Qoren, and achieve zero measurable effect to everyone else.
OTOH, with our half-siblings having a Westerlands mother, Dalton is an asset for us for exactly the same reason he was an asset to Rhaenyra in canon.
I mean, he was clearly going for the whole Aegon-Visenya-Rhaenys thing. Didn't have anything to do with Dorne, it was just his unhealthy obsessions with prophecies and visions.
As regnal names, yes. But 1) it would just be one regnal name, with symbolism tied to that and 2) that tradition doesn't really seem to exist in Westeros anyway.
The three siblings burned most kingdoms, especially the reach. We have an entire thing about wanting to redeem Visenya's name.
We are currently discussing what we should talk with Qoren and I wanted to persuade him into it being an informal agreement. So it can't be said that we visited him out of obligation in the treaty.
Aren't they only burned Reach army? The only settlement that were burned are Harrenhall and Dornish ones, iirc.
Well, IIRC the full joke was that if our firstborn is a girl we name her Nymeria, and the second child would be named Aegon if it was a boy or Visenya/Rhaenys if it was a girl...
Or maybe the practical realisation that Rhaenyra is extremely likely to punch the lights out of any drunkard who tries to rip the dress out of her, so better to avoid the diplomatic incident...
