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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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Fanhunter696 said:
We are probably either going to Harrenhal or snaking into the city...

That counts as sidequests...
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Well, yes. And speaking to Otto (and a bunch of people want to speak to Gwayne, which I still don't really support, but it might make its way into plans), potentially as many as two times. And probably setting up the RTA. And preparing for the trip. And, hopefully, finally visiting Isembard (we have two reasons for that now!).
 
Azel said:
Once we are queen, he will move to Kings Landing without a doubt. And this isn't in any way an odd expectation to have. Plenty of Lords Paramount were living full time in King's Landing while they held positions in the Small Council and had regents administrate their own holdings. This is normal. Why do we pretend he won't do that like everyone else before him?
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Hold on a second. Who? When? Almost everyone I can recall who had a kingdom to rule has stayed in that kingdom and only travelled to KL for important occasions. I remember Tywin, I guess, but he's the only one who comes to mind right now (Robert doesn't count, being Literally The King is different from being King-Consort), and so far in this quest everyone has stayed in their seat of power except when called. Hell, Jeyne being away a bit longer than expected enabled unrest.
 
Somic said:
Hold on a second. Who? When? Almost everyone I can recall who had a kingdom to rule has stayed in that kingdom and only travelled to KL for important occasions. I remember Tywin, I guess, but he's the only one who comes to mind right now (Robert doesn't count, being Literally The King is different from being King-Consort), and so far in this quest everyone has stayed in their seat of power except when called. Hell, Jeyne being away a bit longer than expected enabled unrest.
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Jon Arryn, Renly Baratheon. For a current example, Lyonel Strong is lord of Harrenhal and spends most of his time in King's Landing.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
I very much doubt we can hold court at Dragonstone, I mean, besides the castle, you have a small port, and a few fishermen's villages and since I doubt that we can access any of the Small council in Dragonstone, for our mentorship obligations we can only study law in Dragonstone
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Dragonstone court for local dragonstone problem not the Royal court. We did that for the North substituting Lord Stark as Lord of the North. I hope we can do that to our own domain that is Dragonstone and to count as Holding court. Even if their domain is small Law Problem will still exist.

@Teen Spirit If we go to Dragonstone will there be holding court action there that count for our Law Study obligation? Thank you.
Somic said:
and a bunch of people want to speak to Gwayne, which I still don't really support,
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And, hopefully, finally visiting Isembard (we have two reasons for that now!).
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May I ask Why you don't support speaking with Gwayne? And what do you refer to two reasons to speak with Isembard? If i am not wrong the original is Isembard is our trade partner that have a gift to us is one but the other one? Is it for RTA?
 
Teen Spirit said:
For a current example, Lyonel Strong is lord of Harrenhal and spends most of his time in King's Landing.
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Not that I can blame him though...

Something that I never understood is that since Harrenhal is the biggest white Elephant in Westeros (and that without considering the curse)... Why give it as a genuine reward to a trustworthy ally like the Strong House? When you gift a White Elephant to someone is either to an enemy or to a potentially problematic ally...
UrbanAvena said:
Dragonstone court for local dragonstone problem not the Royal court. We did that for the North substituting Lord Stark as Lord of the North. I hope we can do that to our own domain that is Dragonstone and to count as Holding court. Even if their domain is small Law Problem will still exist.
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I mean, theoretically, we can hold court in Dragonstone without any problem... But since it is a small island with a population of a few hundred, I doubt that we will have that option
 
Fanhunter696 said:
I mean, theoretically, we can hold court in Dragonstone without any problem... But since it is a small island with a population of a few hundred, I doubt that we will have that option
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I think Dragonstone small size just reduce the scope of its Law problem. I mean we may not have Vassal road dispute but we may have fishers boat dispute. Small property and interpersonal law is still part of the law. It is the most felt part of the law even by majority of population that is usually isolated from Royal Court in King's Landing by several degree-of-separation.

These law are most separated from our usual Law study and may leave us blind from unexpected direction. Experience being a provincial court judge to hear problem of fishers, cloth washers, and farmers is most rare for such a big Picture position like Crown Princess of the Seven Kingdom.
Teen Spirit said:
Yeah. You could also study law while on Dragonstone.
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Thank you very much!


Fanhunter696 said:
And honestly, since we already have two committed actions in Dragonstone (music and poetry), I would prefer to talk to Lord Strong the next turn to have a free action available in Dragonstone in case we have something unique to do there...
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This the risk on not talking to Lord Strong. Pushing our action in Dragonstone to be either inflexible or overburdened by taking four actions.
 
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UrbanAvena said:
May I ask Why you don't support speaking with Gwayne? And what do you refer to two reasons to speak with Isembard? If i am not wrong the original is Isembard is our trade partner that have a gift to us is one but the other one? Is it for RTA?
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I just don't see Gwayne giving us that much of an advantage with Otto to be worth a whole Conversation. And yes, the gift (+ being a trade partner) and RTA. Our Administration skill is very decent, but our Trade skill is basically "just enough to not get lost when the actual experts explain what they're doing" and in the absence of certainty which of these will be more important, I really want a competent coin counter contact to take a look at it.
 
Somic said:
I just don't see Gwayne giving us that much of an advantage with Otto to be worth a whole Conversation. And yes, the gift (+ being a trade partner) and RTA. Our Administration skill is very decent, but our Trade skill is basically "just enough to not get lost when the actual experts explain what they're doing" and in the absence of certainty which of these will be more important, I really want a competent coin counter contact to take a look at it.
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For the need of competent coin counter to oversee our involvement for RTA and dubiosity of Gwayne help can I persuade you to consider Lyman Beesbury instead of Isembard? Pros of Isembard over Lyman are he is pure partisan of our bloc instead of realm loyalist like Lyman and he have gift for us. There is great advantage of having pure partisan supporter in this endeavor. His con is if we can involve Isembard directly from the RTA action I am dubious of the additional advantage of talking with him too.

In other hand Beesbury pro over Isembard are he is firmly loyal so will still be thoroughly forthcoming, more experienced on such big enterprise, and will be firmly involved in the meat of the RTA. Additionally he is one of the councilor left to be talked with and he is familiar with Otto and a little antagonistic with him so may help with the talk with Otto too.

I will be pleasantly surprised if Lyman also have gift for us. He won big when betting on Silver Falcon and great supporter of our ascension to Knighthood but I don't expect it.
 
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UrbanAvena said:
Lyman Beesbury instead of Isembard?
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Definitely not, because avoiding Isembard means snubbing a tentative ally. Dropping contacts like hot potatoes the moment we stop needing them right now is not how we build any kind of a power base for when we do need support. Beesbury appears to be just fine hanging around doing his job, but Isembard had invited us to meet him again, and we're out of polite excuses to not.
 
Somic said:
Definitely not, because avoiding Isembard means snubbing a tentative ally. Dropping contacts like hot potatoes the moment we stop needing them right now is not how we build any kind of a power base for when we do need support. Beesbury appears to be just fine hanging around doing his job, but Isembard had invited us to meet him again, and we're out of polite excuses to not.
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That is an uncharitable reading of my post. I am not advocating avoiding Isembard or dropping him merely discussing which discussion will be better for the moment.

Also if you could quote where is his repeat invitation because I searched his name and didn't find any. People that have previously been giving us repeat invitation are Gwayne and Lord Strong before and we have fulfilled it. This is the last information we have of Isembard.
Teen Spirit said:
[] [Conversation] Speak with Isembard Arryn
While you are home sooner than expected, Isembard has been in King's Landing for a bit. That should have given him enough time to set up operations. It would do well to check up on him, see what his plans are for your joint venture, see if his gift for you is ready.
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that have been the same since this in Turn 13 when we just arrived.
Teen Spirit said:
[] [Conversation] Speak with Isembard Arryn
While you are home sooner than expected, Isembard has been in King's Landing for a bit. That should have given him enough time to set up operations. It would do well to check up on him, see what his plans are for your joint venture, see if his gift for you is ready.
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Also I directly said in the post that it may be possible to rope him directly to RTA referring Azel proposal to include Gulltown and Isembard. If it's possible, the full advantage of talking to him may be marginal.
 
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    • Okay there has not been a vote in nearly 12 hours so I feel safe enough calling it here.

    Adhoc vote count started by Teen Spirit on Apr 1, 2025 at 1:39 AM, finished with 217 posts and 44 votes.
    • [X] Plan A Few Details
      -[X] Ask for the visit requirement to be changed so that both you pledge to visit Dorne regularly and that Qoren will visit the other parts of the realm regularly with you.
      --[X] It makes sense to broaden the focus from Sunspear to all of Dorne, since visiting other Dornish lords would help your standing and the process of unification. Likewise, Qoren should ensure that he is a known figure in the rest of the Seven Kingsdoms before the wedding to ease their concerns and grumbling. He is good at wining people over and should leverage that for the benefit of our union.
      -[X] Ask to review the border adjustments. You want to make sure that no mistakes, like awarding land to House Peake, have snuck in.
      [X] Plan A Few Other Details
      -[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
      --[X] Try to establish an informal friendly understanding with Qoren that, additional to the visits mentioned in the contract, he will at least try to visit you in King's Landing now and then even before you claim the Iron Throne, that you will try to visit him in Sunspear now and then afterwards, and that the two of you may sometimes travel together to places not in the capitals, even if it is not officially spelled out in the contract and even if it's not every year in either case. As for the contract itself:
      --[X] None of the following are deal-breakers; you are prepared to accept the contract as-is. None of this is worth a meaningful breach with your father, or with Qoren. But they are things you would like to see in the contract.
      ---[X] Make sure that there will be a proper festival celebrating the betrothal, additional to and independent of Daemon's triumphal return from the Stepstones campaign. A betrothal celebration would be customary, would be deserved, and would have the advantage of making sure that both Daemon can have his triumph unentangled from any ambiguity over whose celebration it is.
      ---[X] Try to make sure no land is given or returned to House Peake, as Unwin Peake has personally insulted and antagonized you quite recently. You would prefer that House Peake not benefit from your betrothal arrangements.
      ---[X] Ask for clarification of the status of Bloodstone. Should Daemon not wish to claim Bloodstone, the island will be held by the Iron Throne directly in case he changes his mind later. Should the royal funds for building a castle on Bloodstone be misappropriated for purposes not related to fortifying Bloodstone, the Throne will be entitled to expect that they be repaid.
      [X] Accept them as is (This Will Put Rhaenyra in a Binding Betrothal)
      [X] Plan Speak Softly And Carry A Big Grudge
      -[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
      --[X] Try to establish an informal friendly understanding with Qoren that, additional to the visits mentioned in the contract, he will at least try to visit you in King's Landing now and then even before you claim the Iron Throne, and that you will try to visit him in Sunspear now and then afterwards, even if it is not officially spelled out in the contract and even if it's not every year in either case.
      --[X] Try to make sure no land is awarded to House Peake, as Unwin Peake has personally insulted and antagonized you quite recently.
      [X] Plan Just This One Detail
      -[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
      --[X] Try to make sure no land is awarded to House Peake, as Unwin Peake has personally insulted and antagonized you quite recently.
      [X] Reject Them (This Will Have Ramifications)
      [x] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
      -[X] The timing of Dorne's swearing of fealty
      --[X] An immediate oath of fealty upon marriage would offer Dorne more protection against Daemon's Bloodstone Kingdom than an alliance. In a fight between an allied Dorne and Bloodstone, the Iron Throne would be forced into an impossible choice between kin, to help one over the other, or to help neither. In a fight between a Dorne sworn to the Iron Throne, and a Bloodstone which is not, the Iron Throne's position would already be decided. Even should Bloodstone itself later swear fealty, the Iron Throne would be obliged to side against the aggressor in the name of the King's or Queen's Peace. Swearing fealty immediately might even deter such a war entirely.
      -[X] Marriage Deadline
      --[X] (Optional) Argument: 18 months places it at high risk of taking place during winter. This could block significant portions of the kingdoms from being able to visit. 24 months is likely more secure
      [x] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
      -[X] Daemon will swear loyalty to the Iron Throne and Rhaenyra's claim if he choose to rule Bloodstone.
      --[X] Daemon hasn't directly swear loyalty to the Iron Throne and its heir. This is especially important as his direct reaction to our ascension as heir was occupying the Heir rightful seat of Dragonstone and stealing our brother intended dragon egg. The clear demonstration of loyalty for Iron Throne newest lord is important as all the older lords have already swear loyalty to Rhaenyra as the righftul hair.
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    • Other than a plain Accept and Decline, there's literally only two votes for any plan that doesn't request to screw over the Peakes :V
    This is peake roleplaying of our Hatred
     
    Hmm now that I'm rereading the vote thing. I hope rhaenyra asks about the visiting thing a bit more diplomatically. Let's hope that she doesn't forget about the fact that taking trips by ship takes a while to get around. Best thing rhaenyra can do is maybe convince Qoren to ride Syrax, but that would take a lot of trust.
    Also maybe the petty peake thing will amuse him if a little.
     
    FallenDawn said:
    Best thing rhaenyra can do is maybe convince Qoren to ride Syrax, but that would take a lot of trust.
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    I know people tend to be justifiably wary of giant fiery murder-lizards, but I've been on the "hoping Qoren will agree to ride Syrax and enjoy doing it" train since the very vote where we got him invited to KL, and my hope is still going strong.
     
    UrbanAvena said:
    With House like Peake the Petty and Pragmatic are in cohort.
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    Well yes it is pragmatic but its also super dooper petty. This is asking to double check that our marriage agreement, the most complex and wide ranging diplomatic arrangement in decades, doesn't give his House any land because we became enemies over his sexism and being worse at jousting than us.

    This isn't to downplay that he is rightfully our enemy, this is to say that I love our petty-maxxing and we should require all agreements ever to have a "Fuck House Peake" Clause
     
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