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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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Silverking said:
The worst of this (from Viserys's perspective) is that his knee-jerk reaction would be to deny Rhaenyra knighthood by moving the goalposts, but there's nowhere to move the goalposts TO. There's none of the typical excuses of "you only won through points" or "you only faced no-name opponents." She unseated 3 heirs to noble houses and freaking Criston Cole.

Viserys may have a genuine fear that if he DOESN'T knight Rhaenyra for this, then the only way she would see to further prove herself is to actively seek combat.
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The issue is that Daemon already did the classic heir proving move by invading the stepstones, so we'd have to escalate even further to see proper warfare :V
 
Nyvis said:
I was more thinking of the Daughters tbh. Concentrated targets to hit and hold with dragons. And what better way to overshadow the stepstones. Literally a stepstone to our conquests :V
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Trying to conquer the Three Daughters would be a big problem for Westeros even with dragons. Not only is there an ocean in the way of our invasion forces, but the Triarchy itself is incredibly formidable on land and at sea. The only real ally we may find close to the region is Braavos given their anti-slavery ideals and mutual antagonism with the other free cities.

Speaking of, if Westeros did go full conquest mode, it's almost assured that Volantis would step in to avoid some of its biggest slave markets and cultural allies being taken over and cut off from their influence, and it's likely Pentos would step in on the side of the Triarchy as well. That's 5 incredibly powerful states against us. With a potential ally in another, if they don't just stay neutral.
 
Annatar said:
Trying to conquer the Three Daughters would be a big problem for Westeros even with dragons. Not only is there an ocean in the way of our invasion forces, but the Triarchy itself is incredibly formidable on land and at sea. The only real ally we may find close to the region is Braavos given their anti-slavery ideals and mutual antagonism with the other free cities.

Speaking of, if Westeros did go full conquest mode, it's almost assured that Volantis would step in to avoid some of its biggest slave markets and cultural allies being taken over and cut off from their influence, and it's likely Pentos would step in on the side of the Triarchy as well. That's 5 incredibly powerful states against us. With a potential ally in another, if they don't just stay neutral.
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Oh right they're still united aren't they.

I guess we're burning Pentos :V
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
I like how the supposed response to not getting a Knighthood is an attempt at world domination.
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Look, if (if!) Daddy won't knight us for anything less than a glorious battlefield victory, then engineering a foreign war is basically the only path forward to that dream. Putting down a rebellion simply won't do.
 
CharlieKing said:
i actually really want to do something regarding dorne. not with a specific goal in mind, i'm just super interested in how @Teen Spirit would depict them and their interactions with Rhaenyra
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Dorne should be interesting since legitmately there are a few radically different ways to bring them into the fold. And naturally how we deal with Dorne will be quite different if we bring them into the fold through marrying the Prince of Dorne then if we decide to avenge Aegon's defeat.
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
I like how the supposed response to not getting a Knighthood is an attempt at world domination.
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Least deranged Targaryen crashout tbh

At least we aren't kidnapping an engaged man (Rhaegar), burning down Kingslanding (Aerys), mysteriously killing our dad to take the throne ASAP (Aegon IV, allegedly) or killing ourselves via fasting (Baelor I).

Honestly we're doing quite well if all we decide to do is world domination; I'm sure Aegon would approve of the channelling of our spite into something productive :evil:
 
Honestly, with how much Viserys reveres Valyria, it's astonishing he *didn't* go for world domination. It's what the Freehold did after all. There's a world out there where Balerion doesn't die as early as he did and Viserys burns the free cities to ashes on his back :V
 
Wiggy said:
Honestly, with how much Viserys reveres Valyria, it's astonishing he *didn't* go for world domination. It's what the Freehold did after all. There's a world out there where Balerion doesn't die as early as he did and Viserys burns the free cities to ashes on his back :V
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Well, he's a very peaceful guy, so it would be against his general character. If Daemon was king on the other hand...
 
ThunderOwl said:
I think that there are two reasons that Daemon feels more anymosity to this Rhaenyra than canon. First is that we are pulling his "Rogue Royal Who's Too Cool For Rules" schtick without making everyone who interacts with us hate our guts. The more serious one is that this Rhaenyra is a credible threat to him attaining the Throne that he cannot deal with without resorting to war or murder, both of which are risky options that would make Viserys hate him forever. With Canon Rhaenyra he pulled the seduction card successfully, and a Scholar Rhaenyra would have a harder time gathering support from the nobles, apart from the fact that Daemon would never feel threatened by a nerd who reads books.

However, as the meme would say, Daemon can't mansplane, manipulate or manwhore his way past this Rhaenyra, and physical coercion or intimidation don't hold weight with someone who's going to answer to a threat (both personally and to her claim) by pulling a sword and screaming "Bring it!". Sure, Rhaenyra is not a popular candidate, but neither is Daemon and Rhaenyra is better at not insulting everyone she talks to.

Also, Daemon is a narcissist who feels that all men should stand in awe of his mere presence and all women should throw herself at his feet for a chance to "Ride the Dragon", so a Rhaenyra that doesn't cave up to him and actively acts against his wants is bound to be disliked by him.
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Perhaps also some kind of jealousy? Because Rhaenyra has less foot in mouth issues then he does but she is kinda essentially him but female.

Which if that had been the case for Daemon there would have been a good chance he would have probably been married off to Viserys instead of Rhea given how the Targ's usually operate. Not only ensuring that there would be always be a place at his brother's side with a crown for him as well, but also saving him from the humiliation he feels with his marriage with Rhea.

Now given his grandparents this would have been no means a guarantee and it's highly unlikely that this hypothetical female Daemon would have anywhere near the leeway that Rhaenyra gets. But still it would be a very jealousy inducing fantasy for him even if he probably would never want to consciously think of it.
 
A Slipspace Tree said:
Perhaps also some kind of jealousy? Because Rhaenyra has less foot in mouth issues then he does but she is kinda essentially him but female.

Which if that had been the case for Daemon there would have been a good chance he would have probably been married off to Viserys instead of Rhea given how the Targ's usually operate. Not only ensuring that there would be always be a place at his brother's side with a crown for him as well, but also saving him from the humiliation he feels with his marriage with Rhea.

Now given his grandparents this would have been no means a guarantee and it's highly unlikely that this hypothetical female Daemon would have anywhere near the leeway that Rhaenyra gets. But still it would be a very jealousy inducing fantasy for him even if he probably would never want to consciously think of it.
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Daemon wishing he'd been born a woman so he could have married his beloved brother Viserys is a wild take I'd never have imagined lol.
 
Wiggy said:
Daemon wishing he'd been born a woman so he could have married his beloved brother Viserys is a wild take I'd never have imagined lol.
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I mean, he is a Targaryen....

I acknowledge conquering dorne would be so incrediblyass to try to do, but we are a warrior queen and it would be a really easy way to get the Reach andStormlands on our side, we just have to be the hard on Dorne option(also Tarly is probably expecting this, if we're honest)
 
I would rather not shove any body parts into memetic Dorne and their ability to keep entire armies alive without food or water. We probably wouldn't get them back. Burn a free city down instead.
 
Toaster cult said:
I acknowledge conquering dorne would be so incrediblyass to try to do, but we are a warrior queen and it would be a really easy way to get the Reach andStormlands on our side, we just have to be the hard on Dorne option(also Tarly is probably expecting this, if we're honest)
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Wiggy said:
I would rather not shove any body parts into memetic Dorne and their ability to keep entire armies alive without food or water. We probably wouldn't get them back. Burn a free city down instead.
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Toaster cult said:
We need our Targaryen folly, surely This time they'll be bad at guerilla warfare.
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Well, Qoren Martell is among the romance options...

So we may be able to marry with a Martell and bring Dorne to the fold 100 years before Daeron the Good does it...
 
Wiggy said:
Daemon wishing he'd been born a woman so he could have married his beloved brother Viserys is a wild take I'd never have imagined lol.
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It's not entirely wrong show wise. This is basically a time of massive gender envy for house Targaryen. Rhaenyra flat out says she thinks Daemon wishes he had been born a woman because he envies the love Viserys gave Rhaenyra, Rhaenyra wishes she had been born a man because it would make ruling and doing what she wants a lot easier. Aegon II has some gender envy as well for likely similar reasons to Daemon.
 
that seems. dangerous? most of our support will probably be Stormladers and Marcher Reach lords,who really dont like the dornish, and I fear a similar issue to having the Starks on our side OTL, with them just being far away and hard to get into the conflict for the majority of it
 
Toaster cult said:
We need our Targaryen folly, surely This time they'll be bad at guerilla warfare.
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But for real how believable was the "Dorne guerrilla warfare'd the dragons" excuse? Like, from kinda similar IRL examples?

I mean I live in a tropical country so I know zilch about deserts but I highly doubt (x) they could have fit their entire population into cave/tunnel systems and even IRL with phones, internet and stuff evacuating cities is still a tall task. So my question is, does the "they hid in the caves/tunnels" reason imply that Dorne nobility straight up went into hiding, left the small folk as bait to be burned by the dragons, and just kept the army?

What did they even eat? Deadass, it's a desert, not a swamp or even forest-y areas they could scavenge for food. Does Dorne just have apocalypse bunkers under every castle?

Even so, it's so weird how no House sold them out to be the new leaders of Dorne or smallfolk rebelled (I think) or just sold any of the nobility out to avoid getting burnt themselves.

Or did Aegon the Conqueror somehow learn about the Geneva Convention when conquering Dorne and decided not to go scorched earth and burn down every city they ever built and instead went only after nobility/combatants?

I haven't read much about F&B so maybe that's why but I have so many questions it just blows my mind
 
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