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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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Fanhunter696 said:
More like the next 4-5 years, Viserys only forced Nyra's hand because she spent 3 years witha bratty teen attitude, and for the whole Daemon incident... Which is not the case here...
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Is that the case? Basically everyone else we've seen politically has been hinting at a much shorter timetable, but @Teen Spirit can comment on how she'd view the situation WRT her marriage? Or rather how she'd understand the expectations, because we know she's uneasy about how soon she's expected to get married.
 
The Laurent said:
Like, the distinction here is, "Do we train for the Tourney we are planning to take within the next four turns, or do we spend an action in the city?" If we're actually fucking planning on taking it really soon we should probably actually focus on that?
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What?

Like. What?

We are fighting at the level of a Kingsguard. We are ready.
 
Azel said:
What?

Like. What?

We are fighting at the level of a Kingsguard. We are ready.
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I don't think we have the experience needed with different enough opponents? Because we can't merely do well, we have to do world-beatingly well or else it won't count.

Some of that experience, we can get on Progress, but we'll presumably have a half-dozen other things pulling on us and giving us excuses to keep on neglecting it.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
More like the next 4-5 years, Viserys only forced Nyra's hand because she spent 3 years witha bratty teen attitude, and for the whole Daemon incident... Which is not the case here...

So we should have 2-3 years more than in canon before Viserys forces the issue...
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We'll have difficulty meeting that time table if we put off training and miss the opportunities the progress gives us. I really do fail to see why her Rhaenyra's life ambition of knighthood even has a contender in a silly bit of exploration in the city she lives in and will have dozens of turns to explore. Arranging a grand tourney that Viseris or the Hand could nominally attend is no easy feat.
 
The Laurent said:
Is that the case? Basically everyone else we've seen politically has been hinting at a much shorter timetable, but @Teen Spirit can comment on how she'd view the situation WRT her marriage? Or rather how she'd understand the expectations, because we know she's uneasy about how soon she's expected to get married.
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Hey, prince's and princesses were expected to marry yoing and produce heirs, but besides a few outliers the age of marriage of royal princesses was between 19-21...
Randino Treviani said:
We'll have difficulty meeting that time table if we put off training and miss the opportunities the progress gives us. I really do fail to see why her Rhaenyra's life ambition of knighthood even has a contender in a silly bit of exploration in the city she lives in and will have dozens of turns to explore. Arranging a grand tourney that Viseris or the Hand could nominally attend is no easy feat.
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Besides the fact that the QM has nudged toward the city this turn?
 
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Azel said:
We are fighting at the level of a Kingsguard. We are ready.
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I don't think we actually know how old Steffon is. And a tourney is jousting whereas we're focusing on not jousting. And even going better than even with a top-tier knight wouldn't mean we're going to safely win a tournament with tourney stakes for everyone, where nobody will be underestimating us, etc. I think the way the last update was written we definitely need at least one more training, and 2-3 back to back wouldn't hurt. This also just seems like responsible prep to accomplish our childhood dreams - if we've decided now isn't the time that's one thing, but if we're planning on going for this now we should be focusing harder on training.

FWIW on marriage - a sooner marriage means sooner (legitimate) children, means our kids are older when Vis dies, means more effective dragonriders on our side. Right now, Rhaenyra's response to Johanna was not encouraging toward the "bond with younger siblings plan" although it's worth trying to change that, and we won't be able to win over the Velayrons and their dragons in the near term unless we marry Laenor and take a stress hit every time we have a legitimate child.

(I'd be in favor of trying to marry our kids to Laenor or Laena's instead eventually, but we won't be able to do that except from already having a position of strength).
 
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The Laurent said:
Some of that experience, we can get on Progress, but we'll presumably have a half-dozen other things pulling on us and giving us excuses to keep on neglecting it.
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Dude, under what framework are you operating that you consider that we are "neglecting" our training when Teen Spirit said this a the previous turn?
Teen Spirit said:
I was hesistant to make Rhaenyra this skilled so quick but you guys have put in some very heavy training a number of times, and I figure if Barristan Selmy at 16, with trainers probably less skilled then a knight of the Kingsguard, can beat the pants of Duncan the Tall in a Tourney then we should be at least nearing that same ballpark.
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The Laurent said:
Is that the case? Basically everyone else we've seen politically has been hinting at a much shorter timetable, but @Teen Spirit can comment on how she'd view the situation WRT her marriage? Or rather how she'd understand the expectations, because we know she's uneasy about how soon she's expected to get married.
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Okay near as I can figure judging by what we see of the timeline in the show and what we can assume from that. The royal hunt that lead to Viserys telling Rhaenyra to pick her own spouse happened around when she was 18 (It's set 3 years after Viserys announced his marriage), assume the marriage tour she went on but canceled early took a few months, Rhaenyra was probably 19 when she got married, and that was Viserys forcing her to get married after a scandal.
 
Teen Spirit said:
Okay near as I can figure judging by what we see of the timeline in the show and what we can assume from that. The royal hunt that lead to Viserys telling Rhaenyra to pick her own spouse happened around when she was 18 (It's set 3 years after Viserys announced his marriage), assume the marriage tour she went on but canceled early took a few months, Rhaenyra was probably 19 when she got married, and that was Viserys forcing her to get married after a scandal.
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Huh, I kinda got fooled because you had Otto Hightower go, "If you have the marriage held off for three years (or something like that) or so until she's an adult, then you'll probably be married and have a kid by then."

And I was like, "Okay, then."
 
Teen Spirit said:
Okay near as I can figure judging by what we see of the timeline in the show and what we can assume from that. The royal hunt that lead to Viserys telling Rhaenyra to pick her own spouse happened around when she was 18 (It's set 3 years after Viserys announced his marriage), assume the marriage tour she went on but canceled early took a few months, Rhaenyra was probably 19 when she got married, and that was Viserys forcing her to get married after a scandal.
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OK, but in this case if we factor that we are unlikely to screw up with Daemon and that our relationship with Viserys in much better than in canon, I assume that we will have few more years before Viserys forces the issue, especially if we are actively looking for a suitable match...
 
The Laurent said:
Huh, I kinda got fooled because you had Otto Hightower go, "If you have the marriage held off for three years (or something like that) or so until she's an adult, then you'll probably be married and have a kid by then."

And I was like, "Okay, then."
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The man who throws his teenage daughter at grieving widowers the night their wife died probably does not have the most dependable view on acceptable marriage age for royals.
 
Temes1066 said:
I always figured our Mystery Knight sigil would involve the Arryn Sigil, we can pass ourselves off as distant cousin of House Arryn.
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That's fair too. I'd personally been thinking "dragon guarding a tower" because I was optimizing only for making Alicent flustered about how obvious it was, but didn't want to push the idea too much.
 
Temes1066 said:
I always figured our Mystery Knight sigil would involve the Arryn Sigil in someway, we can pass ourselves off as distant cousin of House Arryn.
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hailcapital said:
That's fair too. I'd personally been thinking "dragon guarding a tower" because I was optimizing only for making Alicent flustered about how obvious it was, but didn't want to push the idea too much.
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You know if we want to truly be a Mystery Knight that people has a difficult time recognising, we should avoid reptiles and/or birds altogether...
 
I don't think it's enough to fight at the level of a Kingsguard. We're not dominating them in every fight, we're going back and forth, wins and losses - and when we beat what's his name recently so quickly it was because he was surprised by her skill and didn't take it seriously from the beginning.

Furthermore, Rhaenyra does better against regular sparring partners than she would against strangers of a similar skill because she's so familiar with their style - although this goes both ways.

My point being, it's not enough to be at the level of trading every other bout with our Kingsguard, we need solid ascent to victory at the tournament. If we trade wins and losses with the most skilled knights at a tournament it's all for nothing, we need to be absolutely crushing.

More to the point, becoming a knight is one of the critical goals we voted for, not being a woman of the people or a free spirit or whatever - sure it's disappointing to miss the party city but the city will still be there to explore next turn and the turn after, and when we're not in an action crunch we can even train and sneak out the same vote.
 
[X] Plan: Progress, Poetry, and Sneakery

Well, I'd rather train than learn poetry, but I do want to support the qm getting to write things that interest them and I *have* been eying that explore the city option a while...
 
Training provides a mechanical improvement every time we do it and there's a time crunch until the tournament.

Sneaking out into the city probably gets us plot hooks that that eat more of our action economy. I want to see those narrative developments! But not at the expense of short term improvement - fuck it we should have made a plan that does the city and training.
 
Temes1066 said:
I always figured our Mystery Knight sigil would involve the Arryn Sigil in someway, we can pass ourselves off as distant cousin of House Arryn.
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not sure that's wise given the recent rash actions of a certain Arryn cousin pretender to the Lord Paramount title. a giant symbol might go better.
Fanhunter696 said:
You do realize that we can say the exact same thing with training, no?
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exploring the city doesn't relate to a major ambition of Rhaenyra. passing on it for training does not risk compromising our long-term plans or potentially alter our schedule on anything. the same is not necessarily true in reverse.
 
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[X] Plan: Progress, Poetry, and Training

[X] Plan: Progress, City, Training
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Lord Commander Harrold Westerling
-[X] [Conversation] Speak With Queen Johanna Westerling
-[x] [Action] Train
--[X] Challenge to a Duel: Raylon has suggested dueling others as a way of sharpening yourself against new blades. Have others find flaws in you that he has missed (Pick One)
---[X] [Duel] Gwayne Hightower
-[X] [Action] Sneak out and Explore the City
-[x] [Action] Prepare for a Royal Progress

Way too late for a new plan but fuck it, I don't think anyone made a plan that ditched study actions for training, sneaking, and progress.
 
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