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Everyone thought China had some secret program to send ICBMs underwater,
Huh, would they even be ICBMs at that point? By laymen, sure, but if they're (presumably) tactical-range explosives fired off submarines or something, would they be something closer to Sea-Launched Tactical Nukes or something?


Am I overanalyzing a technology that doesn't even exist in-story?
Like, the premiere of Cosmos reads like an extended list of Hays Code violations.
Based.
the US kind of indirectly saved the USSR from the economic collapse by advancing the timeline of computer development in Guangchou.
Wild.
I'm glad the CIA spent like, fifty million to develop a counter to ''homocatalytic chemical agents" instead of using it to oppress south Americans or something, but holy shit.
Well, that's totally in character for any and all CIAs.
who do you think will win the Presidency, Bobby Seale or Colin Powell?
Neat. One of Huey Newton's comrades and the eighth member of the Chicago 7 vs more👏poc👏war👏criminals himself.
I guess some things never change huh.
 
Huh, would they even be ICBMs at that point? By laymen, sure, but if they're (presumably) tactical-range explosives fired off submarines or something, would they be something closer to Sea-Launched Tactical Nukes or something?


Am I overanalyzing a technology that doesn't even exist in-story?
I do believe the name would be different at that point too. Also, not clear if the poster meant that the things could just be fired off from a dock, be sent silently for a couple of hours and then reach it's destination, no subs required. If that's the case, I can imagine it being a bigger deal, because there is the potential for an untraceable nuke to be sent, and if you can convince others it wasn't you, you could strike without consequence.

Thankfully, this wasn't a real tech, because it is horrifying to think about the implications of that
 
I do believe the name would be different at that point too. Also, not clear if the poster meant that the things could just be fired off from a dock, be sent silently for a couple of hours and then reach it's destination, no subs required. If that's the case, I can imagine it being a bigger deal, because there is the potential for an untraceable nuke to be sent, and if you can convince others it wasn't you, you could strike without consequence.

Thankfully, this wasn't a real tech, because it is horrifying to think about the implications of that

That's just Putin's nuclear torpedo. :p
 
I have to say I think this is my least favorite post so far in this quest. I don't really like the fake message board style when it comes to writing and I found it cryptic at times. Also not sure how I feel about this quest and mercenary in desert being in the same universe due to the massive divergences and such (like her finding near limitless lol and water which is fun in the quest but raises serious questions here)

I still liked the post overall but some of it irked me.
 
I have to say I think this is my least favorite post so far in this quest. I don't really like the fake message board style when it comes to writing and I found it cryptic at times. Also not sure how I feel about this quest and mercenary in desert being in the same universe due to the massive divergences and such (like her finding near limitless lol and water which is fun in the quest but raises serious questions here)

I still liked the post overall but some of it irked me.
Except that they are not in the same universe.

I mean, yes we have citizens of that nation and they exist, but that is more I want to have more control over my quest, and @HeroCooky and I are not just... working together. We had no intention of making a shared universe. We just wanted to have fun.

In this insane world.
 
I thought about a bit more and I think I understand more about my feelings for the chapter, in that it feels like we're playing baseball and it's in the middle of the 6th inning and we get DBZ instant transmissioned to a sports bar 20 years later, if that makes sense?

I had this concern as well, I think we can treat this as a possible future, and otherwise ignore it if it messes with immersion.
 
I would have been glad if it had come to a conclusion in about half the time it ended up taking. I read and enjoyed the first half and then I realized there was still a bunch left and ended up skimming the rest of it. It was fun, but there was just so much of it.
 
I thought about a bit more and I think I understand more about my feelings for the chapter, in that it feels like we're playing baseball and it's in the middle of the 6th inning and we get DBZ instant transmissioned to a sports bar 20 years later, if that makes sense?
I had this concern as well, I think we can treat this as a possible future, and otherwise ignore it if it messes with immersion.
I kind of agree. These details aren't set in stone, and it should be taken as a fun interlude, a window into what could've possibly happened.

For that matter, I know in the thread itself where we were discussing this that it was explained that one of the characters in the post, PlayfulElephant, was definitely an unreliable narrator, and all the sources he kept referencing to were.. well... they were bad sources, so his version of events was probably untrue.

So yeah, take it as that one thread where some people think they know what they are talking about, but its clear that some of the details they are discussing are wrong. There are plenty of good insights and details, but you shouldn't trust everything being said here.

I would have been glad if it had come to a conclusion in about half the time it ended up taking. I read and enjoyed the first half and then I realized there was still a bunch left and ended up skimming the rest of it. It was fun, but there was just so much of it.

Yeah, I get that, but its harder to edit a project like this. A lot of the posts could definitely be edited down for clarity and conciseness, but its a lot of posts, and its a lot of people to get working together to do that. I sympathize with HeroCooky just putting out something to enjoy.
 
What is the current date in game? Because if we want control of the south pacific we can sphere NZ, and with it half the pacific.
NZ went from big govt + control to small govt and little reguation in 84 aka]Rogernomics.

NZ also has food, lots of food with a small pop.
 
What is the current date in game? Because if we want control of the south pacific we can sphere NZ, and with it half the pacific.
NZ went from big govt + control to small govt and little reguation in 84 aka]Rogernomics.

NZ also has food, lots of food with a small pop.

1975 IIRC

I think the first thing we need to design is going to be the new submarine (for actual military duties) and ship (for customs enforcement, oceanographic research, etc.).
The reason is that ships are large and take a long ass time to build. Our ship building queue needs to set up early and fed regularly, as anyone who was in To Boldly Go can attest.
 
So for our mechs, how about we make them some SAM missiles they can mount if need be. Also, we might be able to make them a sort of hoverboard based on a ground effect hovercraft. It'd need a launch catapult in all likelihood, but once it got up to speed you could probably use the internal fuel source/power of the mech in order to continue cruising. It'd be nice for launching amphibious assaults with them, launch them from a carrier and have them cruise over the water at high speed and up onto land and a good ways inland before needing to ditch it.
Edit: Side note, we should totally make a boarding version of an Iron Tiger, so we can repeat the tiger-catapult thing, but with an Iron Tiger and a cannon, rocket, or catapult launch system on a flying iron tiger.
 
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In fact, if one were closely looking at how things were currently going on board the Iwo Jima Essex-class Carrier
Add a 'to' between 'were' and 'closely', look
The ignorance and dismissals of the Senat
You're missing an 'e' from Senate
Neat. One of Huey Newton's comrades and the eighth member of the Chicago 7 vs more👏poc👏war👏criminals himself.
Wait they're real? Sorry I'm not from the US so I have no idea who these guys are.
 
So for our mechs, how about we make them some SAM missiles they can mount if need be. Also, we might be able to make them a sort of hoverboard based on a ground effect hovercraft. It'd need a launch catapult in all likelihood, but once it got up to speed you could probably use the internal fuel source/power of the mech in order to continue cruising. It'd be nice for launching amphibious assaults with them, launch them from a carrier and have them cruise over the water at high speed and up onto land and a good ways inland before needing to ditch it.
Edit: Side note, we should totally make a boarding version of an Iron Tiger, so we can repeat the tiger-catapult thing, but with an Iron Tiger and a cannon, rocket, or catapult launch system on a flying iron tiger.

Mmmm, couple of things. The mech hoverboard wouldn't need a launch catapult because hovercraft don't derive their lift that way.
However it's not a tech I really care to develop because it's only really useful for amphibious landings in contested territory - and if we're doing contested landings then something has gone terribly wrong because that's the sort of imperialist thing that we shouldn't be doing.
Likewise for carriers - they're fundamentally for force projection in hostile territory. That's the sort of gunboat diplomacy that I'm happy to leave to the US. Nevermind the resources it takes to build and operate one.
Finally, Iron Tigers aren't any good for boarding action - they're too big to actually enter a ship so all they could do is hang out on deck.

I don't mean to come across as the fun police, but mechs have a niche and they are outperformed if they leave it, but it's easy to forget that. Like, to ground effect mechs? Totally on point for America, because they rolled 100 for procurement sanity in a system where lower is better.

Heck, even Jungmin's dad rolled pretty high based on what we've seen, and it definitely infected the thread a bit too based on what got built for the initial IT. :p
That niche btw seems to be combat engineering (where their flexibility really shines) and mountainous terrain (where the kinematics of wheels vs. legs come out in favor of legs).

Ussually, the best thing to do is take IT tech and use it on a more traditional platform. Like, IT tech could be used to make suspension that let wheeled vehicles handle almost all terrain that a legged much can, without any of the downsides of mechs.
 
Wait they're real? Sorry I'm not from the US so I have no idea who these guys are.
Yep, both those people are real. Bobby Seale is an activist and founding member of the Black Panthers, the party that convinced Ronald Reagan (as governor of California) to introduce gun regulations to prevent minorities from publicly wielding guns, and Colin Powell was the secretary of state for Bush during 9/11, oversaw the invasion and justification of the invasion of multiple sovereign nations (did you even know the US invaded Panama in 1989?) and all around was a terrible person. Notably, both are black.
 
Oh! When in the plan does the Iwo Jima crisis take place? Have things been rolled for? I was going to do a technical write-up on our merchant marine.

Edit: Wait, no, implementing some Iron Tiger derived pieces of kit would likely require a design action.
 
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Mmmm, couple of things. The mech hoverboard wouldn't need a launch catapult because hovercraft don't derive their lift that way.
Eh... Ground effect craft/planes do, which is what I was thinking of when I mentioned ground effect hovercraft, because they're basically very low flying planes to my understanding. The reason I thought of using them is because
1. They're soviet tech,
2. They have good fuel efficiency and carrying capacity relative to their speed. (to my, admittedly limited understanding.)
3. Mecha hoverboards would be awesome. (Side note, honestly I realize that it would be better to transport them like this with the mech lying belly down on the board for aerodynamic and weight distribution reasons, but the image of them standing up on hoverboards zooming around shooting things is very cool.)
However it's not a tech I really care to develop because it's only really useful for amphibious landings in contested territory - and if we're doing contested landings then something has gone terribly wrong because that's the sort of imperialist thing that we shouldn't be doing.
Likewise for carriers - they're fundamentally for force projection in hostile territory. That's the sort of gunboat diplomacy that I'm happy to leave to the US. Nevermind the resources it takes to build and operate one.
Finally, Iron Tigers aren't any good for boarding action - they're too big to actually enter a ship so all they could do is hang out on deck.
Alright fair points here. The boarding thing was mostly for propaganda, honestly. As for the amphibious landings bits... Fair. There are other uses like zooming along rivers and canal systems, or quickly getting over swampy terrain, but those depend on how fuel hungry a ground effect hoverboard would be.
I don't mean to come across as the fun police, but mechs have a niche and they are outperformed if they leave it, but it's easy to forget that. Like, to ground effect mechs? Totally on point for America, because they rolled 100 for procurement sanity in a system where lower is better.
That's an entirely fair point. I just really like mechs and that's most of why I made that post.
Ussually, the best thing to do is take IT tech and use it on a more traditional platform. Like, IT tech could be used to make suspension that let wheeled vehicles handle almost all terrain that a legged much can, without any of the downsides of mechs.
This reminds me. We might want to test out the Code Geass Knightmare Frame thing and slap some wheels or treads on the feet of our Iron Tigers at some point. For faster movement along roads and in other areas where wheels or treads would function better than legs. Or make a 4 legged IT with wheeled feet that can switch between walking and driving around, maybe have it act as an IFV of sorts. To combine the strengths of both, though I will admit it might also inherit the issues of both.
 
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