We've already begun the dragon rail so I doubt we can promise to begin again, maybe change to continue?
I don't think we're getting a choice on the consumer factories...
We've already started the rail, we just need to continue plugging away at it.
That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation
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We've already started the rail, we just need to continue plugging away at it.
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Gods, I hope we get a Rep boost from IT reveal because those health care projects are expensive AF.
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I vote that the first factory for civvie goods we build be for dice. And the second for board and tabletop games. 
Im only partially joking btw.
Im only partially joking btw.
So if we do:
- One action on food
- One action on Med Infra
- One action on Parma Plant
- One action on Con Goods
- Two actions on rail
With the 2nd Chinese Civil War looming, I would say that one of the important tasks we must take is to prevent a Taiwanese intervention. If Taiwan gets involved, there is a large chance that the US backs them up and make any potential civil war worse.
Right, Taiwan is still under their military dictatorship right now.
Magoose
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You know, part of me wants to spend an action trying to overthrow Taiwan, or otherwise trying to get the nation to actually democratize before it did IRL, for maximum funnies.
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@HeroCooky how's our aircraft and IT production going? We have to automation but resources will always give us a bottleneck. Do we have enough toys to give rivals like the US pause?
Say guys imagine if we support a Chinese party member that actually wants to fix china like not make it a third world nation that's is a first world but fucking let's the poor suffer and the rich prosper
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"Xiànzài wǒ yǒu bīngqílín!"
-Wei Jungmin in his address to China to help reduce tensions, among other attempts, 1980
-Wei Jungmin in his address to China to help reduce tensions, among other attempts, 1980
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The US is not a rival. The US is the Rocks Fall Everyone Dies option. We just need to stay under the USSR nuclear umbrella, and have a robust enough military to make it not worth it ala Vietnam.
Our military should really aim to contest the likes of Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan.
Edit: To get into the ballpark of actually giving the US pause, we'd need to do CyPac. With more nations bankrolling the military spending we can start developing a more muscular response.
Eedit2: If I'd does come to picking a side in the Chinese civil war, our best bet for intervention is to mimic the US in Ukraine. Provide weapons and AWACS coverage.
The later is especially attractive because china doesn't have any native AWACS at this point.
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Suggestion: Use Commiewood to create a series of healthy living shows.
What we need right now is Guangchou Body Break.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t1p6K0xGKd0
What we need right now is Guangchou Body Break.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t1p6K0xGKd0
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I don't think healthy living shows are going to help, like at all.
In fact, with our current health system, it seems like our population are currently living under a perpetual darwinian regime of survival of the fittest. Like, I was of the impression that our doctors were prioritizing the most grievous cases, but now our doctors are prioritizing the "most efficiently salvageable" cases.
My opinion is try to lure away chinese doctors from the upcoming civil war, and throw money at the west to get medical supplies and equipment.
What a wonderful case study we are for socialized medicine. "We don't think we can salvage you so your current treatment plans are bullet or nitrogen." The American conservatives will be thrilled I'm sure.
In fact, with our current health system, it seems like our population are currently living under a perpetual darwinian regime of survival of the fittest. Like, I was of the impression that our doctors were prioritizing the most grievous cases, but now our doctors are prioritizing the "most efficiently salvageable" cases.
My opinion is try to lure away chinese doctors from the upcoming civil war, and throw money at the west to get medical supplies and equipment.
What a wonderful case study we are for socialized medicine. "We don't think we can salvage you so your current treatment plans are bullet or nitrogen." The American conservatives will be thrilled I'm sure.
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BoSPaladin
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That's uhh, actually pretty standard triage for emergencies.
When under severe stress and with lack of resources. Whether that's medicine, equipment, trained staff.
Technically, hospitals and medical settings always or nearly always practice a form of triage in that the most serious cases 'normally' get priority. If X will die without treatment but Y is only mildly injured, then the standard solution is to treat X first as you can always treat Y later since they're in no immediate danger.
But, if you flip that around, and you have d,e,f,g,h who are all very serious cases likely to die soon, and you don't have enough resources for all of them, the choice becomes do you try to save H who is likely going to die first because they're most injured. Or, you could use the same amount of resources to help D,E and F.
It's... normally hospitals try to save 'everyone' and prioritise the most serious. But, if there's not enough resources or time for that, then the math switches, and Triage is changed to instead try and save as many as possible.
What this means, is that our hospitals are underfunded/understaffed. And have been for a while. And they've unfortunately had to make difficult choices.
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Barondoctor
The things I chase come to me.
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I am once again asking for at least some semblance of a National Parks program, a sort of internal ecological Commiewood.
A) It's great for international respect and helping people understand us as people of culture who understand that we live in a beautiful part of the world.
B) With more education, particularly with an eye towards biological sciences to patch our big huge doctors problem, there's always going to be the big triple-fork: some will like human biology and enter healthcare; some will like animal biology and enter animal-related fields; some will like plant biology and enter the assorted plant-related-fields. Point being, if we establish National Parks, we create a space for people in the latter two fields to end up where their work is valued and they don't get resentful of the "favorite child" human biology people.
C) With people thoroughly investigating the island and the properties of the plants and animals, there's a chance we find something really neat that could serve human biology interests.
Something between a megaproject and an action; a mini-project?
A) It's great for international respect and helping people understand us as people of culture who understand that we live in a beautiful part of the world.
B) With more education, particularly with an eye towards biological sciences to patch our big huge doctors problem, there's always going to be the big triple-fork: some will like human biology and enter healthcare; some will like animal biology and enter animal-related fields; some will like plant biology and enter the assorted plant-related-fields. Point being, if we establish National Parks, we create a space for people in the latter two fields to end up where their work is valued and they don't get resentful of the "favorite child" human biology people.
C) With people thoroughly investigating the island and the properties of the plants and animals, there's a chance we find something really neat that could serve human biology interests.
Something between a megaproject and an action; a mini-project?
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Yes, I know that this form of Triage is pretty standard in emergencies.
This means that we are in a fucking emergency. I don't give a damn about "ideologically palateable" we need doctors, medicine, and medical supplies. And we have two years to shore up the system before the bloodbath that China's going to turn into sends waves of refugees to our little "less paradise than we thought". And if the medical system is not robust enough, we're gonna need to start making uncomfortable choices.
What was once divided must unite. What was once united must divide.
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KhazintheDark
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I'm talking close in shore stuff for policing and emergency response. The ability to tell a Japanese fisherman to go away, give aid to civilian vessels transiting our waters and to shadow foreign vessels via radar in our EEZ. Frigates are the maximum size I can see at this stage, maybe a diesel-electric submarine or a destroyer.
If we want the ability to truly act independently then we need the bomb otherwise we have to always agree with Moscow. We can delay a sophisticated delivery mechanism for strike capability and the cost of making specialised reactors can be mitigated by going in on nuclear power production.
I'm sorry, I must have misheard because it sounds like you're saying we should be happy with a soviet situation when said situation was by all accounts pretty god damn terrible. I want to aim for a Western European standard. The US is out of our reach. It also means that our economy has greater liquidity which helps us get more value out of it.
I shudder at the casualties our giant infrastructure projects using unskilled labour will produce. I wonder if we can make a civilian IT or that giant boring machine for them. The one that goes at 1m/hour through granite or whatever it was.
You misunderstand me, I want more than ten factories on this.
HeroCooky
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And on a per project basis, it's a pat on the back, not a revelation of huge proportions.
You remember the fuck-ups China did, particularly with its agriculture?CyberEnby said:
Yeah, that (and most everything else) but 2x-2.5x times worse, with butterfly actors starting to grasp what they see as the only chance to free their nation from tyrants and mass murderers.
The first is spot-on.CyberEnby said:
The second would require around 35 Actions this Plan, with 11 for the jump to -1. Doing a -2 to -1 next would only require 4.
Of course.CyberEnby said:
Or did you think, I, HeroCooky, forgot something like that? You wound me, Enby, you wound me! (+35 RP)
The US? Good joke.
Taiwan and Japan on the other hand? Yes, with the first very much so as they are within reach of two airbases staffed chock-full with your Type 3's and Type 1's.
I'll be posting a info-card right after for this.
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Statistics Bureau And Breakthroughs Explained
HeroCooky
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The Statistics Bureau will, due to no focus being chosen, look loosely over your entire country and collate what it gets from the available information into a category (like Healthcare) and subdivide it into two numbers: What We Have and Future Projected Use.
Your unlocked Categories:
Housing
Food
Healthcare
Fuel
Available Recruits
What We Have has Five Stages: -3 to +1. These are, in order: -3 (Severe Shortage), -2 (Under Strain), -1 (Lacking), 0 (Exporting), and +1 (Overflow).
These translate as such:
-3 (Severe Shortage) = Barely able to deliver the services/resources where they need to be.
-2 (Under Strain) = Though able to function, most things operate under a considerable lack of needed parts.
-1 (Lacking) = The Default State for most items in most nations. If you have this, you are not in a bad situation. For example, most countries have this for their food.
0 (Exporting) = You have enough things to start exporting resources or have foreigners use this category without noticeably decreasing the QOL of natives.
+1 (Overflow) = An abundance of the category leads to positive and negative effects, as an abundance of food can lead to unhealthy eating habits if not corrected via propaganda, etc.
Future Projected Use is easier to explain. This marks what the SB thinks is currently happening in that category, denoted with: ---, --, -, +/-, +, ++, and +++.
Real simple stuff. There's stuff happening all the time, and progress ain't a line. Rhymes, but that only means its true times two!
And when stuff happens, also known as 'work,' people go: "This sucks. Can't we do something so we don't have to do that?" Which usually gets answered with: "Stop being lazy, Jerry!" (And rightfully so, Jerry is a lazy ass!)
But sometimes, the answer is: "And how? (Sarcastic)"
Which leads to some people actually thinking about how to do stuff better. And most of the time, that "better" is a slight improvement, adding onto what has been done the last few centuries or millenia.
But sometimes, sometimes your door gets kicked in by a/a group of Jerrys' being all smug bastards as they scream: "BEHOLD! BETTER STUFF!!!"
And that "Better," comes in five flavors:
Minor, Medium, Major, Grand, Era-Defining.
(Year, Project, and Category can add/subtract to the threshold.)
12+Minor: A notable improvement of your capabilities/knowledge, but nothing jaw-dropping.
15+Medium: An impressive improvement of your capabilities/knowledge, yet not enough to change a field on its own.
19+Major: A Nobel-Prize-worthy improvement of your capabilities/knowledge, enough to change a field on its own.
24+Grand: Those that made this Breakthrough will be immortalized in the annals of history for their contributions to science and human understanding of the universe.
30+Era-Defining: On the same level as the taming of fire and the usage of agriculture.
Your unlocked Categories:
Housing
Food
Healthcare
Fuel
Available Recruits
What We Have has Five Stages: -3 to +1. These are, in order: -3 (Severe Shortage), -2 (Under Strain), -1 (Lacking), 0 (Exporting), and +1 (Overflow).
These translate as such:
-3 (Severe Shortage) = Barely able to deliver the services/resources where they need to be.
-2 (Under Strain) = Though able to function, most things operate under a considerable lack of needed parts.
-1 (Lacking) = The Default State for most items in most nations. If you have this, you are not in a bad situation. For example, most countries have this for their food.
0 (Exporting) = You have enough things to start exporting resources or have foreigners use this category without noticeably decreasing the QOL of natives.
+1 (Overflow) = An abundance of the category leads to positive and negative effects, as an abundance of food can lead to unhealthy eating habits if not corrected via propaganda, etc.
Future Projected Use is easier to explain. This marks what the SB thinks is currently happening in that category, denoted with: ---, --, -, +/-, +, ++, and +++.
BREAKTHROUGHS
Real simple stuff. There's stuff happening all the time, and progress ain't a line. Rhymes, but that only means its true times two!
And when stuff happens, also known as 'work,' people go: "This sucks. Can't we do something so we don't have to do that?" Which usually gets answered with: "Stop being lazy, Jerry!" (And rightfully so, Jerry is a lazy ass!)
But sometimes, the answer is: "And how? (Sarcastic)"
Which leads to some people actually thinking about how to do stuff better. And most of the time, that "better" is a slight improvement, adding onto what has been done the last few centuries or millenia.
But sometimes, sometimes your door gets kicked in by a/a group of Jerrys' being all smug bastards as they scream: "BEHOLD! BETTER STUFF!!!"
And that "Better," comes in five flavors:
Minor, Medium, Major, Grand, Era-Defining.
(Year, Project, and Category can add/subtract to the threshold.)
12+Minor: A notable improvement of your capabilities/knowledge, but nothing jaw-dropping.
15+Medium: An impressive improvement of your capabilities/knowledge, yet not enough to change a field on its own.
19+Major: A Nobel-Prize-worthy improvement of your capabilities/knowledge, enough to change a field on its own.
24+Grand: Those that made this Breakthrough will be immortalized in the annals of history for their contributions to science and human understanding of the universe.
30+Era-Defining: On the same level as the taming of fire and the usage of agriculture.
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Oh, yeah, for policing we need to make the coast guard and give them patrol boats.
What I'm saying is that there are more immediate concerns for us with regards to nuclear power. We need reprocessing capability first anyway to even make the necessary isotopes, which means reactor rollout. Building a SSGN with built in SSBN conversion features would also be a good idea.
I said the Soviet issue with consumer goods was getting them from the factory to the consumer. This is something that we've seen Cybernetic Planning excel at in quest, so I'm not very worried about it. Also keep in mind that there are things we can do to decrease the overall amount of consumer goods necessary for a given quality of life. Durable Goods Libraries should be a priority because they mean we need less of a certain type of consumer good to meet the same demand. Likewise Reverse Engineer Western Durable Goods/Appliances lets us build derivatives of western goods that don't have built in planned obsolescence and last longer / have lower upkeep.
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And on a per project basis, it's a pat on the back, not a revelation of huge proportions.
At least it encourage us to finally work through some of our stand alone infra projects.
Can I get costing for this:
[ ] A Quiet Revolution? Maybe? Please?
I'm not sure I understand. Can you break it down a bit more?
How many to go from:
a) -4 to -3?
b) -3 to -2
c) -2 to -1
d) -1 to 0
Of course.
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KhazintheDark
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The Soviets had far more problems providing consumer goods than logistics alone.
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Oh, for sure. In terms of picking what to focus on though, there were some that were responsible for a disproportionate amount of the dysfunction. Aside from logistics issues, the big one IIRC was quality control. To make the quotas, they would produce lots of really poor quality goods and not even QC them. This is a policy/leadership issue tho, and not really a 'quantity produced' issue.