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the entire doctrine of the federation is built around the idea that they build expensive multi role ships in numbers to reap massive dividends in peace time to let them outproduce the folks who just build dedicated warship. It is rather telling when they where scared into building an anti borg ship, they built a small over gunned escort with the firepower to kill god and all his angles, rather than a big battleship. A small vessel like that could be built in a hurry during a major war, and would not have a lot of upkeep.

Honestly, in this system going small for a dedicated warship just makes sense. It means if there is a war you can churn them out, and outside of war you have a smallish number of cheap ships guarding important locations with lots of guns and the sublight speed to chase down intruders, it does not matter if their warp engines end up outdated when the enemy has to come to them.
 
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Now I actually want to see us design a late 22nd Century vulcan light patrol ship meant for the federation to use, but that may mostly just come from because I think Coleopteric warp drives are neat
 
landcollector said:
I honestly don't know much on Vulcan starship design methodologies or aesthetics.
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I think its easiest to just show pictures.


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Helher said:
Now I actually want to see us design a late 22nd Century vulcan light patrol ship meant for the federation to use, but that may mostly just come from because I think Coleopteric warp drives are neat
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Don't know if advertising someone else's quest is allowed, but Mechanis's quest is using Vulcan ships as a base.
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Ok, I just had a weird idea. Given the abundance of multirole ships, building a small dedicated warship might actually in effect mean we have more multirole ships. It only does murder, but by doing the jobs where that's the only needed skill, like garision duty or maybe convoy escorts, the more expensive ships that can do other things can be freed up. A multirole ship guarding sol is wasting a lot of it's capabilities, a dedicated murder machine is not. Plus, if it's built in such a way that the design, if not the ships themselves can be easily kept up to date it would also mean in the event of a war there is moderately up to date dedicated warship design that can be built en mass. Ideally it would almost never by the only ship class in a system, since having a swiss army knife on hand is useful, but instead of having 3 swiss army knifes this would let you have 1 swiss army knife and 2 k-bars.

Essentially the skate V2.
 
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LunaMoth said:
I think its easiest to just show pictures.


View: https://imgur.com/a/e7FdhKM



Don't know if advertising someone else's quest is allowed, but Mechanis's quest is using Vulcan ships as a base.
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Not pictured above, but we know that in the 27th (I believe) century there's a class of ship with the same basic design as the 10th image but with three smaller circular nacelles/drives that are (iirc) interlinked. So we know that the basic design is fairly viable even centuries down the line.
 
LunaMoth said:
I think its easiest to just show pictures.


View: https://imgur.com/a/e7FdhKM



Don't know if advertising someone else's quest is allowed, but Mechanis's quest is using Vulcan ships as a base.
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Department of Starship Design (Trek-ish) Sci-Fi

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Tank man said:
Not pictured above, but we know that in the 27th (I believe) century there's a class of ship with the same basic design as the 10th image but with three smaller circular nacelles/drives that are (iirc) interlinked. So we know that the basic design is fairly viable even centuries down the line.
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Ah, I got the exact date wrong, more like the 32nd century.


Well, in one now likely alternate future.
 
BeepSmile said:
Fun fact: Yoyodyne brand FTL hand grenades don't actually do anything, as a grenade that explodes would be something useful.
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The Yoyodyne slander on this thread is out of control! Everyone knows that Yoyodyne brand grenades are fully capable of causing a star to go supernova or cause a planet to disintegrate. Yoyodyne works for the betterment of Humanity and its Federation allies, and all of you are terrible people for not trusting in them!
IN YOYODYNE WE TRUST!

"New Yoyodyne mini-transporters now available! For use to send packages planet wide to your friends instantly! Starting at just 10 Credits" -Ad for new Yoyodyne brand line of products

'Is Federation President Sayle, a Yoyodyne cultist?' -Headline for the Federation News Agency (FNA) after Yoyodyne receives another government contract
 
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Yoyodyne. So shitty they managed to reintroduce capitalism to humanity, and the Federation as a whole.
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Theoretically you could just fabricate them, but that would be breaking patent rights. Also I'm of the opinion that Federation reaches its Socialist/Communist standard of living through UBI, rather than actual sharing of the wealth from rich to poor
 
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Empress_Boog said:
Theoretically you could just fabricate them, but that would be breaking patent rights. Also I'm of the opinion that Federation reaches its Socialist/Communist standard of living through UBI rather than actual sharing of the wealth from rich to poor
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[snip 2k word political essay], but I do appreciate that you used the phrase 'standard of living' in your post. That was thoughtfully precise of you.
[snip rant on the idea of DRM on fabricable objects].

Yeah, I'm not coming up with anything funny to say here, so I'mma going to sleep instead.
 
BeepSmile said:
[snip 2k word political essay], but I do appreciate that you used the phrase 'standard of living' in your post. That was thoughtfully precise of you.
[snip rant on the idea of DRM on fabricable objects].

Yeah, I'm not coming up with anything funny to say here, so I'mma going to sleep instead.
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Yeah, I am perfectly willing to admit that I am mot that well schooled on ideology that far to the left of the political spectrum. In any case this talking point has the potential to reach derail territory extremely fast, so onto other things.

THE VOTE
Definitely the most united we as a thread have been on one thing in a while, but of course, it is the biggest option so that probably shouldn't be a surprise. I think the second auxiliary slot is probably what does it for most (including me) because otherwise I would have gone with the Long Inline
 
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I mean yes, it's going to be an epic ship.
Just, you know, epically hard to turn and horribly rated for the budget section of the grading.
We are going to get like one or two of these instead of five or six.
But I guess I can understand the desire to turn all the sliders to maximum in the pursuit of awesome over practical, we were very restrained the last two ships.
 
Golgotha said:
We are going to get like one or two of these instead of five or six.
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I don't think it will be that bad. So far it's only 80,000 tons heavier than the Thunderchild, and the Federation needs a new explorer to replace the NX. It's simply too outdated to continue using as the Federation's primary exploration vessel now thanks to all the advancements that have been made since it was designed.

I predict a handful of these will be built at the very least.
 
Helher said:
Now I actually want to see us design a late 22nd Century vulcan light patrol ship meant for the federation to use, but that may mostly just come from because I think Coleopteric warp drives are neat
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I briefly looked into this and google suggests that even the Vulcans abandoned Coleopteric warp drives by the end of the 22nd century in favor of linear nacelles because Coleopteric warp drives have problems with maneuvering at high warp.

Though that suggests that we are actually in as much of a heyday for Coleopteric drives as can be said to exist, as high warp isn't a thing anyone is doing at this time.
 
Fouredged Sword said:
I briefly looked into this and google suggests that even the Vulcans abandoned Coleopteric warp drives by the end of the 22nd century in favor of linear nacelles because Coleopteric warp drives have problems with maneuvering at high warp.

Though that suggests that we are actually in as much of a heyday for Coleopteric drives as can be said to exist, as high warp isn't a thing anyone is doing at this time.
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Well that Lore has been repudiated with the vulcan ship we see in Lower Decks as that has a Coleoptric Warp drive as well as the Unnamed Future Vulcan ship daniels shows which shows three Coleoptric drives being used to mitigate the manueverability issues.

Edit: Albeit the Sh'vhal uses a Hybrid System where they have both a warp ring and nacelles mounted to the sides of the ring
 
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